We can enjoy this show as it is but to try and pretend like what went down was even remotely morally or legally excusable is just insane..

Anyway, still thoroughly enjoyed, despite what looked like a "this is all okay" message at the end. 7/10.

In addition to the "wrong, but ok in fiction camp" who have already spoken up, I'll point out there are those of us who, like Akira, think the specific situation as described would actually be ethically "ok" irl (that said a real situation that well justified is extremely unlikely).

I’ve snipped most of this really excellent post for space, but it does the best job possible in explaining why this particular series has earned a positive response as an interesting set of characters in a compelling situation rather than as just a titillating spectacle of taboo-breaking.

I still think the “it’s fiction” is a stronger counteragument against the “can’t you depraved fools see this is WRONG?!?” position than the “this situation is as OK as it gets” argument, because even though you’ve shown that the latter is true, even under the best circumstances any incestuous relationship obviously is still inherently immensely fraught.

At minimum, it seems inevitable that in the long run a relationship combining the parental and erotic roles in the same person is going to be confusing at best for both parties (as for instance, it might be far less so with sibling incest), and the social consequences of the relationship being revealed (the list of people who already know about their feelings continues to increase) would be catastrophic. (Like everyone else, of course, I eagerly await the consummation of the Asuka/Ayako relationship nonetheless.)

So for me, the strongest analogy is to say that most rational people would agree that in real life the world would be better off if there were no such thing as assassins-for-hire, but that has nothing at all to do with the ethics of getting absorbed in the adventures of John Wick or Ogami Itto, and that enjoying the Fast & Furious movies does not constitute an endorsement of car theft, and that only a fool would think otherwise.

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We can enjoy this show as it is but to try and pretend like what went down was even remotely morally or legally excusable is just insane..

Anyway, still thoroughly enjoyed, despite what looked like a "this is all okay" message at the end. 7/10.

In addition to the "wrong, but ok in fiction camp" who have already spoken up, I'll point out there are those of us who, like Akira, think the specific situation as described would actually be ethically "ok" irl (that said a real situation that well justified is extremely unlikely).

I’ve snipped most of this really excellent post for space, but it does the best job possible in explaining why this particular series has earned a positive response as an interesting set of characters in a compelling situation rather than as just a titillating spectacle of taboo-breaking.

I still think the “it’s fiction” is a stronger counteragument against the “can’t you depraved fools see this is WRONG?!?” position than the “this situation is as OK as it gets” argument, because even though you’ve shown that the latter is true, even under the best circumstances any incestuous relationship obviously is still inherently immensely fraught.
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So for me, the strongest analogy is to say that most rational people would agree that in real life the world would be better off if there were no such thing as assassins-for-hire, but that has nothing at all to do with the ethics of getting absorbed in the adventures of John Wick or Ogami Itto, and that enjoying the Fast & Furious movies does not constitute an endorsement of car theft, and that only a fool would think otherwise.

Yes, "it's fiction" is a good argument, and much more broadly applicable (& definitely, reading/enjoying, or even writing, isn't endorsement of character actions). I wasn't trying to dismiss it. It is definitely the go-to when people complain "why does this even exist?"/"how can you read/like this?", and of course some of the most interesting stories are where characters do the wrong thing for understandable/relatable reasons.

It was more that since the OP mentioned morality and "good endings" I thought I would raise the flag for the camp that do support it in that context. (I suppose it depends a bit on what the "this" is in "trying to excuse this" - the story or the actions in it).

It was more that since the OP mentioned morality and "good endings" I thought I would raise the flag for the camp that do support it in that context. (I suppose it depends a bit on what the "this" is in "trying to excuse this" - the story or the actions in it).

Your post clarified for me something specific about why this series appeals to a broader audience than the "incest is always wincest" niche, so thanks for that. I've always been fascinated by the question of how Taiyaki is going to resolve this story in terms of the wider social world--at this point my wild guess is that somehow Akira ends up running interference for the happy familial couple.

I've always been fascinated by the question of how Taiyaki is going to resolve this story in terms of the wider social world--at this point my wild guess is that somehow Akira ends up running interference for the happy familial couple.

I've thought up various scenarios for how this could be resolved, but none of them are exactly a "good end." This could end very well, not really satisfyingly, or completely awfully, and my own storytelling ability is only able to come up with the latter two. Taiyaki hasn't disappointed so far, though, so I'm hopeful.

Your post clarified for me something specific about why this series appeals to a broader audience than the "incest is always wincest" niche, so thanks for that.

I have to admit I didn't fully realise that point myself, since I was coming from a very conscious analytical perspective when I was writing it, and most people don't "enjoy" stories that way. But all the things I listed do seem likely to be absorbed by readers on a subconscious level which would work well to take the "eeeww factor" out of the mother-daughter romance. Personally the first thing that hooked me was that I found Asuka really relatable, (incestuous obsessions aside) I was a lot like that as a teenager (also Tiayaki's sense of humour).

The theme of "wholesome" incest makes me think of the Elsanna fandom which is where I first encountered it.

I've always been fascinated by the question of how Taiyaki is going to resolve this story in terms of the wider social world--at this point my wild guess is that somehow Akira ends up running interference for the happy familial couple.

Definitely lots of potential there. Akira does seem to be shaping up as a staunch supporter. It would be a stretch to have them openly together "happily ever after", but hopefully Taikai comes up with some sort of way for them to be together. Lots of potential for comedy and drama (eg being proud gfs to some, mother and daughter to others, and juggling the different social spheres).

wow

need update ples:((( i've been waiting for 7 monthsssssss

Man some people need to chill out and stop tweeting at Taiyaki under her other work asking about 1 1/2 updates. It comes off as rude and she has already mentioned a few times that it’s in progress. You can tell she’s getting annoyed- https://twitter.com/tiyk66/status/1317459170421993473?s=21

Man some people need to chill out and stop tweeting at Taiyaki under her other work asking about 1 1/2 updates. It comes off as rude and she has already mentioned a few times that it’s in progress. You can tell she’s getting annoyed- https://twitter.com/tiyk66/status/1317459170421993473?s=21

seems like taiyaki-senpai got pissed off.

Let her take her time, dammit.

Pixivy update

This is halloween!!

This is halloween!!

Great, now the 8-bit version of that song is now stuck playing in my head, which in turn causes me to remember Rat of Mapping's Alternate Future of Dark Europe.

This Halloween, Asuka has dressed up as Norman Bates.

Was Asuka always this childish?

MOM WINS THIS ROUND.

dats cute~

Seems I caught up at the worst possible time lol, that cliffhanger, well maybe not worst. I did miss that long gap between then and this halloween issue. This turned out to be a series with more substance than I ever anticipated.

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Yep. A delicious chapter.

People really do need to lay off, but it is important that she tells us that she is actually working on the rework. I don't know how she doesn't burn out about it. I would just want to make new story and not go back and rewrite it. I'm glad she's actually working on it, so I'll be patient.

What happened to the Sekai Project release of this...? Looks like they erased it from history.

I don’t know if she is going to release the redraw/touch up of 1x1/2 before or after the my sweet home anthology?

I don’t know if she is going to release the redraw/touch up of 1x1/2 before or after the my sweet home anthology?

Not much I can say officially, but the anthology will likely come first.

I was missing the series enough on hiatus and thought I might have come up with a setting that avoided excessive plot speculation, so I wrote a one-shot about Akira at her UK pharma job before she shows up in Vol 3 for New Years. I don't know if it's any good (I haven't done fanfiction in a really long time), but it was fun practice!

Since I know someone asked in the thread earlier about Taiyaki's stance on this stuff: I knew she's friendly to fan works in general, so I double-checked with her to make sure English works were okay. She said she'd be happy to see them no matter the language, and mentioned that any pairings (even het ones, apparently?) and adult content are also OK.

Also, she's graduated from her manga course and now has help with figuring out English translations, so she said she'll be focusing on the 1 x 1/2 reedit this year even if she goes blind and her arm falls off in the process.

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Aww, that's so cute. Thanks so much for sharing!

@lilyflame
Interesting perspective. Good job and thank you.