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Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Did not expect that line from Akira of all people...

joined Jul 26, 2016

Did not expect that line from Akira of all people...

I mean. She's not exactly one to give a toss about conventions of any kind, has been in the loop for some time now and her overriding priority regarding Ayako and Asuka is their happiness. What concerns she has are about the practicalities not the principles.

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joined Jan 27, 2016

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

Like what? Be more specific.

The inherent power imbalance between an authority figure and the person they have authority over (one could argue the power imbalance between parent and child is one of the biggest possible depending on their dynamic), the issue of grooming a minor (for example via sexual abuse as a child). Like there are reasons incest is taboo beyond fear of birth defects that aren't just squeamishness and a lot (likely the vast majority) of close family incest is sexual abuse.

joined Feb 14, 2019

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

Like what? Be more specific.

The inherent power imbalance between an authority figure and the person they have authority over (one could argue the power imbalance between parent and child is one of the biggest possible depending on their dynamic), the issue of grooming a minor (for example via sexual abuse as a child). Like there are reasons incest is taboo beyond fear of birth defects that aren't just squeamishness and a lot (likely the vast majority) of close family incest is sexual abuse.

Those aren't things intrinsically wrong with mother/daughter incest, just bad roads that lead there... they could apply to non-incestuous pairings too... and don't really apply to this particular case. Even power dynamic is blurred since Asuka is arguably more self-possessed and (emotionally) experienced than Ayako is (and if anything Ayako's lack of sexual interest/activity would have been the opposite of grooming).

There is a difference between something being risky/unwise, or commonly associated with wrong-doing, and actually being wrong in and of itself. Incest isn't something people should aspire to, but if they happen to find themselves there (consensually) it doesn't have to end badly (and even if it does, arguably the same applies as to non-incestuous relationships... it is their mistake to make).
Obviously they have to be careful and considerate about how they proceed, but it appears they are both capable of that.

Stats wise, the true incidence of incest is hard to determine because people keep it secret, but one dataset that comes up is a survey of New England college students (Finkelhor, 1980) where 15% of females (10% males) reported having had some form of sexual contact with a sibling... the researchers' analysis classified only a quarter of those as exploitative, ie three quarters, one might say, "the vast majority", where non-exploitative. It is likely exploitation is a higher proportion of parent-child interactions, but sibling interactions are thought to be much more common, so it is probably safe to say most close-family incest is innocuous. You only hear about it when abuse occurs (likewise could conclude most heterosexual interaction is rape since that is what you see most on the news).

One of the top qualifications for a taboo is that it is something most people don't want to do themselves, and can't understand others wanting to do. This allows people to identify taboo breakers as "other". eg the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places), or BDSM, transgender, etc.

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joined Apr 23, 2019

Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

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joined Nov 20, 2018

the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places)

wow you clearly arent LGBT+. we are as hated as we were in the 1950's. everywhere.

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joined Apr 19, 2018

This chapter single handedly redeemed the entire series

"From which porno did I even borrow that line"
10/10 the metaness makes up for the stupidity

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joined Oct 22, 2018

the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places)

wow you clearly arent LGBT+. we are as hated as we were in the 1950's. everywhere.

Uhh... Just because there are a lot of people that still hate queer folk doesn't mean that the percentage is as high as it was in the 50's. I believe in the last decade especially it dropped sharply.
And I say that fully aware that I used to be bigoted in that and similar ways in my mid preteens - barely over a decade ago.

joined Jul 26, 2016

the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places)

wow you clearly arent LGBT+. we are as hated as we were in the 1950's. everywhere.

Hell of a lot more equal rights under the law in civilised countries, tho.

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joined Sep 21, 2019

One of the top qualifications for a taboo is that it is something most people don't want to do themselves, and can't understand others wanting to do. This allows people to identify taboo breakers as "other". eg the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places), or BDSM, transgender, etc.

exactly, nearly every argument I've read against consenting adults being in an incestuous relationship is the same kind of moral justification that's used against gay couples, interracial couples, people from different social classes / castes, etc.

HonestYuriHawk
joined Apr 5, 2018

That's right Akira! You tell Ayako. What is wrong with those 2 being together??? They can't reproduce, and Asuka seems to be the only human Ayako has ever felt something for. Soul mates. (shrugs)

Ayako never loved Asukas father. My heart! I truly believe Asuka is the first and only person Ayako will ever love.

Last, ah!!! U love this side of Ayako. It's like she's finally unlocked emotions. Asuka has awoken her feelings!

Yeah watching Ayako warm up to Asuka has been really heart moving. I love this series so much. Which should probably concern me that this is easily one of my most favorite series but I can't help what I like. If Ayako's conversation with Akira is productive in helping her get over her hang ups on liking her daughter, and she is able to embrace her feelings. We should get to see some really lovely stuff when she returns home. I really can't wait for the day where they enter and admit to each other that they are in a relationship.

46-75
joined Jun 25, 2019

Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

You have to understand the difference between a manga and real life. I can read incest stories and find it good but it's a different matter if someone said they go out with a family member in real life. I think i couldn't accept it.
By the way, the line between grooming and raising your childs as a parent is very thin.

Akira a GOAT tbh

Greatest Of All Time?

Lmao well what other goat would they mean?

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joined Apr 8, 2018

Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

You have to understand the difference between a manga and real life. I can read incest stories and find it good but it's a different matter if someone said they go out with a family member in real life. I think i couldn't accept it.
By the way, the line between grooming and raising your childs as a parent is very thin.

It's not surprising you couldn't accept it, you don't accept almost anything of what you read.

last edited at Mar 19, 2020 10:33AM

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joined Jul 29, 2015

I think the mother x daughter relationship is one thing (consenting adults! That's fine! Nobody's business!)

But I think having a sexual relations with a minor is another. I guess, if I am alright with it in a manga, then my justifications for it not being alright in real life would be thinned a little. So I do hope Ayako waits until later to get on with Akira.

(Pardon me for mistakes, English is my 2nd language!)

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joined Jan 24, 2018

Previously on "fucked up people with fucked up feelings (AKA 1 x 1/2)" :
- fucked up feelings become more fucked up for certain persons
- Akira consoles person with fucked up feelings
- me repeatedly pressing next page to no avail
- comment section intensifies

Stay tuned for more thrilling fucked up feelings!!!! does exactly that

joined Jun 25, 2017

Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

You have to understand the difference between a manga and real life. I can read incest stories and find it good but it's a different matter if someone said they go out with a family member in real life. I think i couldn't accept it.
By the way, the line between grooming and raising your childs as a parent is very thin.

It's not surprising you couldn't accept it, you don't accept almost anything of what you read.

Who, whoa, whoa, I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting but just in case: Ayako has NOT been grooming Asuka in the slightest. She didn't even know about Asuka's feelings! I don't think most of us would be cheering them on if it was written that way. And Although, yes! Asuka is what like 17 now? (Time has passed) the writer is writing it very delicately I feel, and is being kind of realistic with the way Ayako freaks out, and the way that (unfortunately teenagers that age do go through sexual experiences) it's very common, especially in the US and tv. Lol I think in this mangas case, the incest is the bigger "issue" but I do believe it is consensual and that when Asuka turns 18, it will still be consensual.

Asuka is madly in love with Ayako. She's going through what all of us have gone through or will go through, sex included. (love) all teenagers and humans go through it. (only thing is, it's her mother) and Ayako, from the looks of it, is on the same boat. She's never gone through those types of teenage feelings, and just romance in general. (Only it's her daughter)

Their relationship really doesn't seem to be a "groomed" pervy Loli type of relationship. Or else I don't think we'd have so many chapters of development. Taiyaki is actually taking her time to let the viewers see both characters sides, and that it's not about sex. It's about those two having authentic feelings of love for each other.

It's a manga! These 2 are soul mates, the way I see it.

joined Mar 24, 2016

It's wrong, really wrong... Yet I'm still reading it

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

Yeah, there's no problem at all.

Move along.

joined Oct 14, 2017

I don't know what to think. I Love cute Yuri Pair .

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joined May 8, 2017

Akira a GOAT tbh

Greatest Of All Time?

Lmao well what other goat would they mean?

Mountain goat?

joined Dec 10, 2017

I can definitely see how Asuka and Atsushi are similar

46-75
joined Jun 25, 2019

Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

You have to understand the difference between a manga and real life. I can read incest stories and find it good but it's a different matter if someone said they go out with a family member in real life. I think i couldn't accept it.
By the way, the line between grooming and raising your childs as a parent is very thin.

It's not surprising you couldn't accept it, you don't accept almost anything of what you read.

What even is your problem ? I don't have problems with incest as long it's fictional and I wouldn't read a story so long about incest if I didn't like it. I said (see, it's the tricky part, hope you can follow) that's I have a problem with IRL incest, I will be a bit grossed out if someone I know said they have romantics feelings for one of their family member, regardless of the gender.

tl;dr : I'm ok with Incest as long as it's only fictional.

HonestYuriHawk
joined Apr 5, 2018

Who, whoa, whoa, I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting but just in case: Ayako has NOT been grooming Asuka in the slightest. She didn't even know about Asuka's feelings! I don't think most of us would be cheering them on if it was written that way. And Although, yes! Asuka is what like 17 now? (Time has passed) the writer is writing it very delicately I feel, and is being kind of realistic with the way Ayako freaks out, and the way that (unfortunately teenagers that age do go through sexual experiences) it's very common, especially in the US and tv. Lol I think in this mangas case, the incest is the bigger "issue" but I do believe it is consensual and that when Asuka turns 18, it will still be consensual.

Asuka is madly in love with Ayako. She's going through what all of us have gone through or will go through, sex included. (love) all teenagers and humans go through it. (only thing is, it's her mother) and Ayako, from the looks of it, is on the same boat. She's never gone through those types of teenage feelings, and just romance in general. (Only it's her daughter)

Their relationship really doesn't seem to be a "groomed" pervy Loli type of relationship. Or else I don't think we'd have so many chapters of development. Taiyaki is actually taking her time to let the viewers see both characters sides, and that it's not about sex. It's about those two having authentic feelings of love for each other.

It's a manga! These 2 are soul mates, the way I see it.

I agree they are like soul mates. I love Taiyaki's ability to tell this story and give it proper attention instead of a rushed finish. Also I agree that Ayako did not groom her.

Also I have to disagree with Lilliwyt that "the line between grooming and raising your childs as a parent is very thin." If someone is grooming someone, they are aware of it, its not something that one stumbles into while parenting.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

If you allow stories about romantic incest, the next thing you know they'll be making stories where the heroes are, oh, I don't know . . . hitmen, or something. Or people who steal cars.

Or even vampires.

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