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‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

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joined May 8, 2017

anyone else getting whiplash from the tone shifts in the manga?

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joined Sep 16, 2014

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

Like what? Be more specific.

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joined May 20, 2013

anyone else getting whiplash from the tone shifts in the manga?

Definitely. As if YURI DRILL's tone rubbed off on it now.

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joined Sep 21, 2019

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

I've always believed that what people get up to with one another is nobody's business but theirs, so long as everything's consensual

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joined May 27, 2019

Taiyaki's just gonna go ahead and say it, huh?

This feels like their thesis lol

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joined Oct 3, 2018

Taiyaki's just gonna go ahead and say it, huh?

This feels like their thesis lol

I was surprised to see the series end so suddenly but I’m glad Taiyaki pulled it all together with that final line.

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joined Jun 25, 2017

That's right Akira! You tell Ayako. What is wrong with those 2 being together??? They can't reproduce, and Asuka seems to be the only human Ayako has ever felt something for. Soul mates. (shrugs)

Omg! Thank you so much translators. You always do such an amazing job.

Taiyaki deserves to be published, and this manga deserves an anime.

Fack!!!

Ayako never loved Asukas father. My heart! I truly believe Asuka is the first and only person Ayako will ever love.

Last, ah!!! U love this side of Ayako. It's like she's finally unlocked emotions. Asuka has awoken her feelings!

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Gigi7
joined Feb 4, 2015

Akira a GOAT tbh

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joined Mar 23, 2019

Akira a GOAT tbh

Greatest Of All Time?

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Gigi7
joined Feb 4, 2015

Greatest Of All Time?

Yes

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joined Feb 23, 2016

Well that just happened

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joined Jun 30, 2015

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

I've always believed that what people get up to with one another is nobody's business but theirs, so long as everything's consensual

Not if one side is a child, and to think about grooming a girl to become your bride is kinda... a bad taste.

joined Dec 30, 2018

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

I've always believed that what people get up to with one another is nobody's business but theirs, so long as everything's consensual

Not if one side is a child, and to think about grooming a girl to become your bride is kinda... a bad taste.

Nice I was looking for this comment

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

Oh, Akira, my hero! ❤️ I knew I could trust you to do the right thing, read the situation correctly and go for the jugular of the problem!

I dunno if y'all are reading "Run Away with Me, Girl" (if you aren't, you should) but there's a recurrent theme in that story about how the "normal" way to live your life is to do all the things people around you are doing, just like society wants you to do -- never mind whether or not it's what you really want to do. Because of a wish to be normal, and the association of "normal" with "socially-sanctioned behavior," two of the MCs in that manga end up dating males even though they are lesbians.

All of Ayako's worries stem from this misconception: she's amalgamating "correct" and "normal" and "right" with "going with the crowd, doing just what everyone does." This is a horribly toxic and dangerous way of thinking that has historically lead to the damning of homosexuality, polyamory and miscegenation (to name only a few). Ayako has persuaded herself that her feelings are wrong because society would disapprove of them. This is bad and sucks big time.

Thank goodness Akira is here to set things straight. (Pardon my French!)

Nozomi
joined May 11, 2017

Akira knows what's up

Murcielago_reiko
joined Dec 9, 2019

That's right Akira! You tell Ayako. What is wrong with those 2 being together??? They can't reproduce, and Asuka seems to be the only human Ayako has ever felt something for. Soul mates. (shrugs)

Yes. It's probably going to be a different slant if this were heterosexual (father x daughter), with the possibility of the minor aged girl getting pregnant.

Asuka's not a "child" in the sense that she's a toddler or someone pre-adolescent. Depending on the laws, she's "minor aged", but definitely not a bumbling child who can't informatively consent on her own.

Situational ethics. If I'd known a mother-daughter 'couple' like Ayako and Asuka, who have the same circumstance as theirs, it's not ethical to call the police. I'd let them be. They wouldn't affect me in any way.

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joined Sep 7, 2016

Everything is wrong about it irl, especially if your child is underage, but I'm okay with it in manga/anime.

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joined Mar 27, 2019

The hilarious part is that Akira is stating being lolicon is the worse than incest

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Did not expect that line from Akira of all people...

joined Jul 26, 2016

Did not expect that line from Akira of all people...

I mean. She's not exactly one to give a toss about conventions of any kind, has been in the loop for some time now and her overriding priority regarding Ayako and Asuka is their happiness. What concerns she has are about the practicalities not the principles.

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joined Jan 27, 2016

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

Like what? Be more specific.

The inherent power imbalance between an authority figure and the person they have authority over (one could argue the power imbalance between parent and child is one of the biggest possible depending on their dynamic), the issue of grooming a minor (for example via sexual abuse as a child). Like there are reasons incest is taboo beyond fear of birth defects that aren't just squeamishness and a lot (likely the vast majority) of close family incest is sexual abuse.

joined Feb 14, 2019

‘Whats the problem with mothers and daughters being together?’ Well let me think...EVERYTHING

Like what? Be more specific.

The inherent power imbalance between an authority figure and the person they have authority over (one could argue the power imbalance between parent and child is one of the biggest possible depending on their dynamic), the issue of grooming a minor (for example via sexual abuse as a child). Like there are reasons incest is taboo beyond fear of birth defects that aren't just squeamishness and a lot (likely the vast majority) of close family incest is sexual abuse.

Those aren't things intrinsically wrong with mother/daughter incest, just bad roads that lead there... they could apply to non-incestuous pairings too... and don't really apply to this particular case. Even power dynamic is blurred since Asuka is arguably more self-possessed and (emotionally) experienced than Ayako is (and if anything Ayako's lack of sexual interest/activity would have been the opposite of grooming).

There is a difference between something being risky/unwise, or commonly associated with wrong-doing, and actually being wrong in and of itself. Incest isn't something people should aspire to, but if they happen to find themselves there (consensually) it doesn't have to end badly (and even if it does, arguably the same applies as to non-incestuous relationships... it is their mistake to make).
Obviously they have to be careful and considerate about how they proceed, but it appears they are both capable of that.

Stats wise, the true incidence of incest is hard to determine because people keep it secret, but one dataset that comes up is a survey of New England college students (Finkelhor, 1980) where 15% of females (10% males) reported having had some form of sexual contact with a sibling... the researchers' analysis classified only a quarter of those as exploitative, ie three quarters, one might say, "the vast majority", where non-exploitative. It is likely exploitation is a higher proportion of parent-child interactions, but sibling interactions are thought to be much more common, so it is probably safe to say most close-family incest is innocuous. You only hear about it when abuse occurs (likewise could conclude most heterosexual interaction is rape since that is what you see most on the news).

One of the top qualifications for a taboo is that it is something most people don't want to do themselves, and can't understand others wanting to do. This allows people to identify taboo breakers as "other". eg the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places), or BDSM, transgender, etc.

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joined Apr 23, 2019

Why on Earth are there still people ranting about this ?!
Come on ! This is tiring me !
We're all disgusting scums here, if you don't like that, FUCKING DON'T READ IT
Incest for the win.

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joined Nov 20, 2018

the massive taboo over homosexuality (past, and even into the present in many places)

wow you clearly arent LGBT+. we are as hated as we were in the 1950's. everywhere.

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