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C67
joined Aug 19, 2021

Seeing Yvonne's pained expression physically hurt my soul, but I kinda wish everything wasn't solved so easily. I'm feeling pretty bad for Elsa right now, she doesn't seem like the usually upbeat heroine she's supposed to be.

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joined Apr 14, 2022

Yeah, dunno. I was here for a bit of angst but it didn't actually go anywhere at all so what was the point? Might as well have kept things fluffy if it was just going to revert to status quo 2 chapters later anyways.

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joined Mar 25, 2021

Yeah, dunno. I was here for a bit of angst but it didn't actually go anywhere at all so what was the point? Might as well have kept things fluffy if it was just going to revert to status quo 2 chapters later anyways.

Seems it was just there to hurt our hearts.. At least we got a chu and a gay panicking evie

Tongtong.exe
joined Apr 27, 2021

While I agree that it's kinda unfortunate for the drama to be over without being resolved, I can totally 100% understand it from a character perspective. Elsa was already willing to look beyond what happened and just wanted to stick with Yvonne from the beginning, Yvonne meanwhile had taken all her strength to push Elsa away in order to protect her, but was left completely and utterly miserable that way. With Elsa coming back to her she's then in such a vulnerable and distraught emotional state that she could not possible resist just going back to status quo, even if she rationally knows that the underlying issue isn't resolved and will cause more pain down the line.

Also really agree with what Koveras wrote a couple of comments above, that's a great analysis of the entire Villainess System problem and how it is basically impossible for Yvonne to resolve. Perhaps doubly so, because she really wants to protect Elsa (and thus herself) from harm, but by pushing her away she causes significant emotional harm too, so she's caught in a sort of paradox until Elsa eventually resolves the situation through her heroine powers

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joined Mar 25, 2021

Elsa's behavior isn't healthy. Yvonne should have gone on her own and apologized and done something to make it up, which doesn't make it all that much better but it would be at least healthier than this.

Honestly wished she did this, powering through her sadness, fear and regret to apologize and maybe even try to explain why she keeps bullying her, even if its in a vague way. Try to explain that she ISNT a sadist (not yet at least) and that she doesnt want to hurt her or something.

Of course this isn't real life and this is just a narrative issue. You just can't resolve this sort of angst in such a rushed way and play it off as lighthearted. The drama should've been less serious in that case. Otherwise it comes off as melodramatic and it doesn't make sense. It dumbs down Elsa's character. This was the time to show that Elsa wasn't going to run after Evie like an idiot and move on and Evie would learn to be honest with her feelings and at least explain to Elsa why they can't be together, even if vaguely. It was building up to that and they ruined it with this dumb tree worm scene...

Yeah I agree, I'm pretty sure Elsa already suspects that theres something wrong with Evie, internal conflicts and all that. Wouldve been better for the thought process to be "I'll help you resolve your problem, no matter how harsh you push me away" instead of "shes just bullying me like usual".

Though doing that could make the drama tense even more and could force them to have less wholesome moments.. I'm pretty sure this series is trying to go for more wholesome than drama, but the problem is just that much of a problem that even trying to dumb the resolve down would make it look like half hearted resolves. It could also shorten the series because usually the more dramatic and tense the drama is makes the main conflict/plot point closer to the end. Like the whole premise of this series is that a girl is being forced to bully her loved one, its trying to be wholesome but if you resolve the problem too quickly then the series would just be about two girls doing girl things (Would still read it but honestly the unique premise/problem is a big point for this series imo).

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joined Mar 25, 2021

I'd like to point out that the VS went into full kernel panic mode when Yvonne attempt to reciprocate Elsa's affections, but not when Elsa initiated and carried them out all on her own, therefre the VS apparently cannot interfere with Elsa's agency, only with Yvonne's. Yvonne and a lot of readers seem to view Elsa as a fragile flower who needs to be protected from the evil VS, but from the video game logic perspective, she is still the player character around whom the whole game revolves, and that makes her the dominant factor in everything that happens, and you gotta respect that.

Damn very sharp observation and interesting hypothesis! So it seems that Yvonne has to be the bottom to actually be with Elsa huh.. I absolutely love if this is going to be the development hehe.. Always nice when the bottoms are the true tops.. Well honestly I think Yvonne would be a power bottom, but since all her initiatives were only really forced by the system, and deep inside she's a pretty kind and gentle soul.. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the bottom, I'd absolutely love if Elsa is actually the top, Praise be small tops tall bottoms!!

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joined Oct 22, 2018

So, is the angst arc really over now?

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joined Mar 25, 2021

So, is the angst arc really over now?

Probably, but remember, an arc is one in many..

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

I'd like to point out that the VS went into full kernel panic mode when Yvonne attempt to reciprocate Elsa's affections, but not when Elsa initiated and carried them out all on her own, therefre the VS apparently cannot interfere with Elsa's agency, only with Yvonne's. Yvonne and a lot of readers seem to view Elsa as a fragile flower who needs to be protected from the evil VS, but from the video game logic perspective, she is still the player character around whom the whole game revolves, and that makes her the dominant factor in everything that happens, and you gotta respect that.

Damn very sharp observation and interesting hypothesis! So it seems that Yvonne has to be the bottom to actually be with Elsa huh.. I absolutely love if this is going to be the development hehe.. Always nice when the bottoms are the true tops.. Well honestly I think Yvonne would be a power bottom, but since all her initiatives were only really forced by the system, and deep inside she's a pretty kind and gentle soul.. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the bottom, I'd absolutely love if Elsa is actually the top, Praise be small tops tall bottoms!!

Another thing some readers forget about Elsa (and which Yvonne never saw) is that she is fuckin' hardass and is not to be messed with. It is not a coincidence, either, that she is reintroduced in the latest chapter casually using her magic to protect Yvonne (without harming the bugs, no less). Elsa is much tougher than she's given credit for. In fact, the only time we've ever seen her in real danger was when she was subjected to massive psychic assault by a supernatural entity ("mare") that caught her completely unaware and when, a bit later, she was so weakened by said assault, it left her completely at Yvonne's mercy. And even that event appears to have been some kind of one-off glitch in the game, as nothing like it has ever happened in the original storyline, and Elsa still kept fighting it to the bitter end.

tl;dr Elsa may not necessarily be a top, but she is a fighter.

last edited at Jun 19, 2022 8:37AM

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Can't play "hard to get" when she's looking like a lost puppy... ^_^

Angryface
joined Mar 22, 2021

God that kiss was smooth.

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joined Jul 31, 2019

... well this chapter doesn't do a very good job of convincing me that the basic premise of the story isn't dumb, because as many people already pointed out, they just simply ignored the problem :P Maybe it's for the best.

joined Jul 19, 2011

The underlying problem is a tonal one. The VS bullying premise is all about drama and character suffering, but the rest of the story wants to be a fluffy, slightly comedic romance.

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joined May 15, 2021

I doubt that they're fully out of the gutters, as a lot of people are suggesting. As Elsa becomes more aggressive, Yvonne will feel more and more conflicted, and come into increasing conflict with the System and Elsa. Eventually, something will break. Just... not now. Not yet.

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joined May 8, 2020

Yes! THANK YOUUUUUUU, wholesome content

Takasaki Reika
joined Mar 30, 2021

Yvonne Puppy mode is so cute
glad Elsa understand her

also,i bet the system will made her do something awful again....i don't know how she will deal with it...

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joined Dec 18, 2021

Elsa used Neglect Play. It's super effective!

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joined Mar 4, 2018

Dinnae worry: I'll detest you for her. I love the "descend" sound effect.

AnonymousInput
joined Jun 20, 2022

Yknow I really like this series. The way they capture emotion is rather top-notch. Other series often have a forced or over-the-top feel to them.

Strangely, this series feels rather down-to-earth in a way. I don't know how to describe it exactly, but it has to do with the well-done visual portrayal of emotions and the lack of pervasive drama or angst from scene to scene.

Which leads me to my next point:

The drama is really getting to be troublesome to me. Simply because of how it's entirely driven by Yvonne's ineptitude.

Surely, there is SOME way to communicate to Elsa about ANY of this. Yvonne, could, perhaps make a fitting analogy utilizing the idea of curses or some other substitution in order to tip-toe around the true reality of it. You cannot tell me that in a FANTASY world, full of MAGIC, that it would be entirely unbelievable. I doubt the rules of magic to be so strict that some unknown or bizarre quality or permutation of it is completely unthinkable. NOR would I think that Elsa - poor, love-struck Elsa - would be incapable of believing her even if it were so inconceivable. Barring all such critique along those lines, at the very LEAST, Yvonne should at least be able to give breadcrumbs or clues as to her lack of will or want in the matter. Worse comes to shove, they could, although morally dubious, blame it on an 'ailment of the mind' or something similar.

Instead, Elsa, with her love-addled brain, has come to the foolish conclusion that this is some form of 'nice bullying' that Yvonne undertakes for literally no reason whatsoever (Remember: Elsa still thinks her obvious infatuation isn't getting through to Yvonne properly. Which means in her mind, this isn't intentionally romantic and/or kinky). Furthermore, since Yvonne's reputation has been utterly obliterated due to her banishment, this, analyzed by any rational mind, cannot be explained by the classic I-bully-to-uphold-my-reputation trope.

Clearly, of course, Elsa isn't in her rational state of mind. Worse still, Yvonne hasn't done anything to correct or at the very least deny this conclusion of bullying without a cause or 'I bully you to show I care'.

Unsurprisingly, the main conflict is driven by a lack of proper communication. Typical.

And, under normal fluff or light drama circumstances, this wouldn't really matter.

.. Except the system has asked her to let Elsa commit suicide or even PUSH HER OFF THE DAMN BUILDING and has now spurred Yvonne into wounding Elsa.

The full extent to which and the circumstances that surround it we are not privy to.. for... I dunno, dramatic tension? Regardless, the implication is clear.

Elsa thinks this injury should be filed under the rest of Yvonne's 'bullying'.

What. W h a t. What the fuck?

Yvonne's response?: "Ooooohh I'm a horrible person Elsa! Etc etc." - sounding uncannily like stereotypical overblown negative self-image rhetoric. The kind most associated with people who have some sort of unsubstantiated insecurity with themselves. Which is clearly not the case here, since the Yvonne is NOT handling this well and has plenty of evidence for them to draw upon.

This takes the bite out of Yvonne's plead to Elsa for me. If I were trying to get someone to avoid me, or even just show caution, I would at least try to employ SOME kind of reasoning for it that didn't sound like it were simply some extension of a spiraling negative thought-pattern I was stuck in. Then again, maybe I'm just a weirdo in that way. And, certainly, Yvonne's mental state at that time didn't help.

Regardless, much more attention should've been put on how horrifyingly ok Elsa seemed to be with the possibility of this being a recurring event. Like, NO. That's NOT ok. And you should never think that your well-being is disposable and is ok being at the mercy of somebody's whims? Love-interest or not?

In that way, at least, I felt like the transition from the angst back into the wholesome was rather jarring and unnatural. There was no real change made, which should have been necessary for this to be put behind them. They both kinda just.. defaulted back to their original dispositions by the end of chapter 34.

Quite disappointing since it makes the conflict here feel pointless - like it served no real purpose other than solidifying the threat of the system and affirming it was still active.

I still really like this series, but this drama is really tiring for me. I should be used to this sort of thing by now, given how stereotypical the drive behind the conflict being miscommunication is. But, for the same reasons I like this story - the capture of emotion and down-to-earth vibes -, my aggravation has been made anew.

last edited at Jun 23, 2022 4:31PM

joined Jul 23, 2019

@AnonymousInput: Good post. I appreciate a long, well-explained review of the story. But you keep saying "Evie" for Elsa, which kind of makes a mess of your arguments.

Yvonne and Evie are the same person. "Evie" is Yvonne's nick. The pink-haired darling angel who is Yvonne's one and only love interest (whether she admits it or not) is named Elsa.

AnonymousInput
joined Jun 20, 2022

@AnonymousInput: Good post. I appreciate a long, well-explained review of the story. But you keep saying "Evie" for Elsa, which kind of makes a mess of your arguments.

Yvonne and Evie are the same person. "Evie" is Yvonne's nick. The pink-haired darling angel who is Yvonne's one and only love interest (whether she admits it or not) is named Elsa.

OOPS. Thanks, I am notorious for being bad at names!

It's fixed now.

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

Surely, there is SOME way to communicate to Elsa about ANY of this. Yvonne, could, perhaps make a fitting analogy utilizing the idea of curses or some other substitution in order to tip-toe around the true reality of it. You cannot tell me that in a FANTASY world, full of MAGIC, that it would be entirely unbelievable. I doubt the rules of magic to be so strict that some unknown or bizarre quality or permutation of it is completely unthinkable. NOR would I think that Elsa - poor, love-struck Elsa - would be incapable of believing her even if it were so inconceivable. Barring all such critique along those lines, at the very LEAST, Yvonne should at least be able to give breadcrumbs or clues as to her lack of will or want in the matter. Worse comes to shove, they could, although morally dubious, blame it on an 'ailment of the mind' or something similar.

I have said the same thing a few weeks back: Yvonne can frame the VS as the same kind of "mare" that possessed Elsa in the first chapter, which Elsa had absolutely no trouble believing in, meaning supernatural entities that control people are fully plausible in this setting. The only open question is whether the VS will allow Yvonne to communicate its existence to the heroine even in such a roundabout manner. If it goes into kernel panic mode at this, I think the only way for Yvonne to reveal the truth to Elsa is for the latter to make use of her heroine's powers somehow to override the VS's authority.

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joined Apr 11, 2021

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joined Mar 25, 2021

Bet the teacher misunderstands her and think Elsa is an M and she's a sadist (I mean that part on Elsa probably isn't wrong and Evie's probably a sadist deep within her heart, so not really wrong)

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joined Jan 15, 2022

Bet the teacher misunderstands her and think Elsa is an M and she's a sadist (I mean that part on Elsa probably isn't wrong and Evie's probably a sadist deep within her heart, so not really wrong)

I double this statement, this is definitely how it'll go if Evie doesn't make things clear and explain it vaguely instead.

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