What is that cutting instrument in her second measurement?

Ramunes posted:

What is that cutting instrument in her second measurement?

Meat cleaver?

it's a carpenter's saw

This is a different note than what you guys are talking about but

Who allowed a recipe like that to be published? Even with the same general concept and aiming for low calories, it can be way better with a few substitutions. Why would you ever use oats for something like this? If you want low calories, lentils will synergize with the flavors better AND have lower calorie count proportionate to nutritional value. And spinach? I assume it's being used purely for nutritional value since it doesn't fit the flavor profile at all, but you can still go with chard to get flavor that goes well with curry spices, and has more fiber as well. This would allow you to chicken instead of prawns if you're still aiming for 400 calories, and remove what I assume was the reason to add bouillon though honestly it's a ridiculous thing to do to a curry in any situation. Quite apart from the fact that cooking the spices and ingredients together allows the flavors to suffuse each other properly, what's the meaning of calling it a curry recipe then?

Speaking of ridiculous, this curry recipe lists curry roux as an ingredient? If it just tells you to add a pre-made curry, how is it a curry recipe? And if you used the butter from the roux directly, you could just cook the oats/lentils separately and cook the rest in the butter in a pan and combine later, to avoid drowning the veggies and meats and maybe even go for a slight char. I know when the Japanese think of curry they really mean stew, but a "dry curry" is still supposed to mean actual curry.

Also, using a blender instead of chopping ingredients is some depression cooking. If your mental health is in such a state that chopping ingredients is a hurdle you cannot pass, use a blender. Otherwise, only use a blender for things that should be blended, not things that should be chopped. Food processors exist for a reason, although as long as your knife is sharp you'll still get a better result chopping by hand.

You guys are right about the weight issue, I didn't even notice because she's drawn as kinda flabby but what she needs is clearly exercise, not diet. If she's looking flabby at that weight, she must have almost no muscle mass. That would also explain why her metabolism is so low that she feels like she gets fat while eating not that much, and feels the need to do excessive things like only eating salad or even going to a 1200Cal/day diet. As a side note, this kind of thing is apparently a pretty common problem in Japan and part of why they're so susceptible to minor illnesses like colds.

Honestly, this feels like the mangaka is just writing her own thoughts without any actual underlying knowledge. It's not a health manga, it's not really a yuri manga (maybe it will be but I wouldn't count on it) and as a food manga it leaves a lot to be desired. I will probably read at least a few chapters more because the characters are fun and interesting, and see where it goes from here, but if the recipes are like this I'm liable to have a conniption over every single one.

Chubby shortstack is gewd. Ruka is obviously a lady of culture (and judging by her comments, so are their kouhais).

Anyone else feel like that whole 'i want to cook for you' spiel sounded quite like a proposal? yuri or not, this is already gay AF.
Also, i feel i should note for the record that i want to squish Zuka-chan's tummy and thighs. XD

Isn’t BMI a totally bullshit number? It doesn’t actually differentiate between what type of mass it is, whether its fat, or muscle, and so doesn’t really provide any meaningful data? Also wasn’t the guy who created BMI a big proponent of eugenics or something

Isn’t BMI a totally bullshit number? It doesn’t actually differentiate between what type of mass it is, whether its fat, or muscle, and so doesn’t really provide any meaningful data? Also wasn’t the guy who created BMI a big proponent of eugenics or something

Yeah and he wasnt a doctor either. However the whole dieting thing is questionable at best and harmful at worst. Getting to adn keeping a healthy weight requires listening to your body and nurturing it rather than all the diet hallmarks of restrictions and starving.

Diets are usually a trap since even when they work, you're just gonna gain the weight back if you don't change the rest of your lifestyle to keep your weight where it is afterwards. Diets are designed to make you lose weight, not maintain it; if you stay indefinitely on a diet which works then you'll just slowly kill yourself.

Don't take health advice from Japan, folks xD

Diets are usually a trap since even when they work, you're just gonna gain the weight back if you don't change the rest of your lifestyle to keep your weight where it is afterwards. Diets are designed to make you lose weight, not maintain it; if you stay indefinitely on a diet which works then you'll just slowly kill yourself.

Don't take health advice from Japan, folks xD

They have one of the longest average lifespans of any country. They must be doing something right.

Also one of the highest suicide rates and the dubious honor of having a word for "death by overwork".

YES!
A new manga about the beautiful world of healty food with recipes and facts added to the mix. ¡I'M SOLD! ¡¡¡¡¡GIMME MOREEEEEE!!!!

Always love a supportive gf, they're so cute ;_;

Fun fact: I read the whole thing thinking that the two MCs were a lesbian couple. Every new page made me even more convinced. Only at the end I had the idea to check the tags and found that there was nothing about this story being yuri romance and I was like "Huuuuuuh???"

You and me. And judging by other comments we weren't the only ones.
Actually Goggled Anon has posted that the Japanese are selling this as a yuri manga, which makes perfect sense: the two leading ladies display a body language and level of skinship that would scream 'lovers' in any country of the world, even more so Japan. I expect the yuri tag to be soon added to the tag list.

According to google the average height of Japanese women is 4'9", so that seems entirely plausible .

I'm not quite sure what was your search, but it appears that something must have gone wrong with the results you got.
Simply google the worlds 'average height japan' and you'll find this:

Country: Japan
Average male height: 5' 7.4"
Average female height: 5' 2.6"

A number of websites with relevant info which I visited (to double-check) confirmed these numbers.

They have one of the longest average lifespans of any country. They must be doing something right.

Also one of the highest suicide rates and the dubious honor of having a word for "death by overwork".

Yeah, but they apparently somehow have physical heath down even with the crazy standards. Japan really is a fascinating place.

One could argue that being driven to suicide is the ultimate unhealthy lifestyle though.
On account of... you know... causing the end of the life... ^^*

Diets are usually a trap since even when they work, you're just gonna gain the weight back if you don't change the rest of your lifestyle to keep your weight where it is afterwards. Diets are designed to make you lose weight, not maintain it; if you stay indefinitely on a diet which works then you'll just slowly kill yourself.

Don't take health advice from Japan, folks xD

They have one of the longest average lifespans of any country. They must be doing something right.

Excuse my interruption, but the hara hachi bu is a really nice thing, you eat until you are about 80% full, then you stop eating, so you don't overeat. It is from Japan and it's pretty reasonable.

On another note, I got to love working out after disastrous diets, letting the scale bring me down (not so much in weight tho), and counting calories and weighed everything that I ate, that was no fun. I much rather work out and eat properly.

Now for the manga, well, she does look like she could use some strength training alright. Don't know about weight but some muscle does well to most people.

PS I thought it'd be yuri, but it's still fun and they have recipes.

They have one of the longest average lifespans of any country. They must be doing something right.

Also one of the highest suicide rates and the dubious honor of having a word for "death by overwork".

Being honest is, indeed, a honor. You wanna know which country in the world has the highest rate of deaths by overwork? The USA. Then come many third world countries from Africa and South America, then Asian countries like Japan. The Japanese are, afaik, the only ones who don't try to hide the truth behind these passings. In the USA, the corporate establishment is very strict about never using the word "overwork" when related to deceases: a death by overwork is usually described as a simple "cardiovascular accident." Sometimes a "cardiovascular accident due to an unhealthy lifestyle." The reports never spell out that the unhealthy lifestyle in question was a workload of 16 hours a day.

As for suicides, I don't really have info about the problem, but my educated guess would be that culture has a lot to do with it. It's one thing to live in a country where religion teaches you that suicide is the worst of mortal sins, another to live in a country where tradition teaches you that suicide is the ultimate act of courage and uprightness.

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This is a different note than what you guys are talking about but

Who allowed a recipe like that to be published? Even with the same general concept and aiming for low calories, it can be way better with a few substitutions. Why would you ever use oats for something like this? If you want low calories, lentils will synergize with the flavors better AND have lower calorie count proportionate to nutritional value. And spinach? I assume it's being used purely for nutritional value since it doesn't fit the flavor profile at all, but you can still go with chard to get flavor that goes well with curry spices, and has more fiber as well. This would allow you to chicken instead of prawns if you're still aiming for 400 calories, and remove what I assume was the reason to add bouillon though honestly it's a ridiculous thing to do to a curry in any situation. Quite apart from the fact that cooking the spices and ingredients together allows the flavors to suffuse each other properly, what's the meaning of calling it a curry recipe then?

Speaking of ridiculous, this curry recipe lists curry roux as an ingredient? If it just tells you to add a pre-made curry, how is it a curry recipe? And if you used the butter from the roux directly, you could just cook the oats/lentils separately and cook the rest in the butter in a pan and combine later, to avoid drowning the veggies and meats and maybe even go for a slight char. I know when the Japanese think of curry they really mean stew, but a "dry curry" is still supposed to mean actual curry.

Also, using a blender instead of chopping ingredients is some depression cooking. If your mental health is in such a state that chopping ingredients is a hurdle you cannot pass, use a blender. Otherwise, only use a blender for things that should be blended, not things that should be chopped. Food processors exist for a reason, although as long as your knife is sharp you'll still get a better result chopping by hand.

You guys are right about the weight issue, I didn't even notice because she's drawn as kinda flabby but what she needs is clearly exercise, not diet. If she's looking flabby at that weight, she must have almost no muscle mass. That would also explain why her metabolism is so low that she feels like she gets fat while eating not that much, and feels the need to do excessive things like only eating salad or even going to a 1200Cal/day diet. As a side note, this kind of thing is apparently a pretty common problem in Japan and part of why they're so susceptible to minor illnesses like colds.

Honestly, this feels like the mangaka is just writing her own thoughts without any actual underlying knowledge. It's not a health manga, it's not really a yuri manga (maybe it will be but I wouldn't count on it) and as a food manga it leaves a lot to be desired. I will probably read at least a few chapters more because the characters are fun and interesting, and see where it goes from here, but if the recipes are like this I'm liable to have a conniption over every single one.

Excellent critique. I had many of the same thoughts myself, particularly about the oats being replaced with lentils (possibly because I am eating lentil tacos this week). If we get more chapters from this manga, I hope you will stick around and provide corrections for all the recipes. It would be a great help to many, I am sure.

Being honest is, indeed, a honor. You wanna know which country in the world has the highest rate of deaths by overwork? The USA. Then come many third world countries from Africa and South America, then Asian countries like Japan. The Japanese are, afaik, the only ones who don't try to hide the truth behind these passings. In the USA, the corporate establishment is very strict about never using the word "overwork" when related to deceases: a death by overwork is usually described as a simple "cardiovascular accident." Sometimes a "cardiovascular accident due to an unhealthy lifestyle." The reports never spell out that the unhealthy lifestyle in question was a workload of 16 hours a day.

As for suicides, I don't really have info about the problem, but my educated guess would be that culture has a lot to do with it. It's one thing to live in a country where religion teaches you that suicide is the worst of mortal sins, another to live in a country where tradition teaches you that suicide is the ultimate act of courage and uprightness.

I have no idea, so I'll take your word for it. Congratulations on completely missing or ignoring the point though.

Meanwhile, I can't help but wonder if other diets will be mentioned in this series. I know the Paleo diet is effective but its super expensive to maintain, and the Keto diet is good but risky for folks who are diabetic because of the risk of keto acidosis...

But even putting that aside, the personalities bounce off of each other nicely and they have a strong relationship already! I'm absolutely loving this!

This is a different note than what you guys are talking about but

Who allowed a recipe like that to be published? Even with the same general concept and aiming for low calories, it can be way better with a few substitutions. Why would you ever use oats for something like this? If you want low calories, lentils will synergize with the flavors better AND have lower calorie count proportionate to nutritional value. And spinach? I assume it's being used purely for nutritional value since it doesn't fit the flavor profile at all, but you can still go with chard to get flavor that goes well with curry spices, and has more fiber as well. This would allow you to chicken instead of prawns if you're still aiming for 400 calories, and remove what I assume was the reason to add bouillon though honestly it's a ridiculous thing to do to a curry in any situation. Quite apart from the fact that cooking the spices and ingredients together allows the flavors to suffuse each other properly, what's the meaning of calling it a curry recipe then?

Speaking of ridiculous, this curry recipe lists curry roux as an ingredient? If it just tells you to add a pre-made curry, how is it a curry recipe? And if you used the butter from the roux directly, you could just cook the oats/lentils separately and cook the rest in the butter in a pan and combine later, to avoid drowning the veggies and meats and maybe even go for a slight char. I know when the Japanese think of curry they really mean stew, but a "dry curry" is still supposed to mean actual curry.

Also, using a blender instead of chopping ingredients is some depression cooking. If your mental health is in such a state that chopping ingredients is a hurdle you cannot pass, use a blender. Otherwise, only use a blender for things that should be blended, not things that should be chopped. Food processors exist for a reason, although as long as your knife is sharp you'll still get a better result chopping by hand.

You guys are right about the weight issue, I didn't even notice because she's drawn as kinda flabby but what she needs is clearly exercise, not diet. If she's looking flabby at that weight, she must have almost no muscle mass. That would also explain why her metabolism is so low that she feels like she gets fat while eating not that much, and feels the need to do excessive things like only eating salad or even going to a 1200Cal/day diet. As a side note, this kind of thing is apparently a pretty common problem in Japan and part of why they're so susceptible to minor illnesses like colds.

Honestly, this feels like the mangaka is just writing her own thoughts without any actual underlying knowledge. It's not a health manga, it's not really a yuri manga (maybe it will be but I wouldn't count on it) and as a food manga it leaves a lot to be desired. I will probably read at least a few chapters more because the characters are fun and interesting, and see where it goes from here, but if the recipes are like this I'm liable to have a conniption over every single one.

Excellent critique. I had many of the same thoughts myself, particularly about the oats being replaced with lentils (possibly because I am eating lentil tacos this week). If we get more chapters from this manga, I hope you will stick around and provide corrections for all the recipes. It would be a great help to many, I am sure.

I want to say I completely agree. This was an excellent post, eloquent, engaging and full of useful information. I am very interested in all things related to cooking, so I'm eagerly awaiting the coming chapters of this cute manga -- and I hope we'll get to see more of your opinions on the dieting methods and the recipes.

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I can't tell if that bit at the end was romantic confession, or are my yuri goggles making me read too much into it.

Diets are usually a trap since even when they work, you're just gonna gain the weight back if you don't change the rest of your lifestyle to keep your weight where it is afterwards. Diets are designed to make you lose weight, not maintain it; if you stay indefinitely on a diet which works then you'll just slowly kill yourself.

unless you´re a boxer triying to go down 2 weight classes i highly doubt a diet will kill you ,besides you don´t have to eat a plate of salad every day you can start by changing small things like eat less fast food, exercise on a daily basis, etc the idea that you can´t change your weight permanetly is dumb and unfounded

^ Agreed. And I’m currently dieting. Just working out a bit more than usual, watching calories and eating foods in high protein and less carbs. Usually works for me, but we all have diff metabolisms so it really varies but I doubt it’s going to kill you.

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unless you´re a boxer triying to go down 2 weight classes i highly doubt a diet will kill you ,besides you don´t have to eat a plate of salad every day you can start by changing small things like eat less fast food, exercise on a daily basis, etc the idea that you can´t change your weight permanetly is dumb and unfounded

First of all, I never said that dieting will kill you, I said that if you're always on a diet that actually works, you will continually lose weight until you become anemic and underweight. "Dieting" means managing your food intake in such a way that you lose weight, you're supposed to stop dieting after hitting your goal weight and instead switch to a life-and food style that keeps you at that weight without gaining or losing weight in general.

No one has claimed it's impossible to change your weight, the issue raised was that diets are usually bullshit because they try to sell you the idea that "just do this for a few weeks and you're done" when in reality, you then have to also change your entire lifestyle permanently to one that can maintain you at that weight. Going back to what you were doing before dieting will just get you overweight and in need of dieting all over again, which conveniently means you're back to giving money to the people trying to sell you dieting bogus.

A lot of dieting manga have this flaw, where they will introduce a diet that works for the character but then once they hit their weight goal they just stop and go back to the same behaviour as before, only conveniently they don't gain the weight back because fiction doesn't have to follow rules. Not saying all dieting manga do it, just that it's usually a good sign that the author is writing about something they probably don't really know much about.

First of all, I never said that dieting will kill you, I said that if you're always on a diet that actually works, you will continually lose weight until you become anemic and underweight. "Dieting" means managing your food intake in such a way that you lose weight, you're supposed to stop dieting after hitting your goal weight and instead switch to a life-and food style that keeps you at that weight without gaining or losing weight in general.

No one has claimed it's impossible to change your weight, the issue raised was that diets are usually bullshit because they try to sell you the idea that "just do this for a few weeks and you're done" when in reality, you then have to also change your entire lifestyle permanently to one that can maintain you at that weight. Going back to what you were doing before dieting will just get you overweight and in need of dieting all over again, which conveniently means you're back to giving money to the people trying to sell you dieting bogus.

you seem to have the wrong idea about diets ,if you´re talking about diets from magazines and shitty internet articles you´re probably right but If you go to nutritionist or a doctor they will tell you that diets usually involve eating heathier and at proper times not eating less

A lot of dieting manga have this flaw, where they will introduce a diet that works for the character but then once they hit their weight goal they just stop and go back to the same behaviour as before, only conveniently they don't gain the weight back because fiction doesn't have to follow rules. Not saying all dieting manga do it, just that it's usually a good sign that the author is writing about something they probably don't really know much about.

well to be fair most of the times when characters gain weight is because they started overeating and/or having an unhealthy life style and when they get back to their original weight is implied that they also went back to a somewhat healthy life style

That scene with the fried food
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