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luinthoron posted:

Yes, I consider Kisses way superior to Girl Friends and it annoys me to no end that it seems like almost nobody read it stare.

I had honestly not even heard about it before I saw it recommended to me after buying Girl Friends. Will have to get around to buying it someday as well, if the vacuum in my wallet ever allows...

If you want to check it out before buying here you can read it. Be warned that first volume is more of anthology with only like half chapter being around the same couple. Only second volume revolves almost solely around them. One-shots were mostly fine. I remember only really liking few of them.

Ok, so from what I can tell, at first it was released as only 1 volume, but then Morinaga wrote 2 more one-shots about the main couple and then wrote even more stories so she later re-released first volume including the 2 bonus one-shots and the one-shot that was originally there was moved to second volume (Mangadex uses the original order for first volume and only has 5 new chapters with main couple in second volume.) That explains why it used to be split in 2 volumes before on mangadex. Only recently it seems they finally decided to marge them, but it also mixes different releases. I'm so glad we got it released here, because finding all the chapters and reading them in order was always a pain.

Anyway, the order in our release is like this:

Volume 1
Even if We're Not Friends (Main Couple)
The Summer Closest to Heaven (One-shot)
A Kiss, Love, and a Prince (MC of this one-shot appears as friend of one of girls from Main Couple)
This Love From I Can't Remember When (One-shot)
If I Kiss Her Ring Finger (Main Couple)
Chocolate Kiss Kiss (Main Couple) [Unlike Wishing on the Moon, this one isn't mentioned in Related on Mangadex page]
Wishing on the Moon (Main Couple)

Volume 2
Secret Girlfriends (Main Couple)
Classmates (Main Couple)
Before the Storm (Main Couple)
Running Away... For Real (Main Couple)
Our Story (Main Couple)
Cherries For Your Lips (One-shot)
Real Love (One-shot)

Ok, as I went through them I think most of them were one-shots published in Yuri-hime, later compiled and only last 5 chapters about main couple were actually wrote as proper chapters which required a proper volume, hence they re-release it as a 2 part series? I don't know anymore. Just enjoy.

Yea, of course MAL has proper order of 2 volume re-release. Why did I even waste time on that. That was how I always looked for proper order of reading before I bought it after all.

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shadesan posted:

@Blastaar

Since Morinaga Milk is such a consummate fluff queen, it’s easy to forget that she’s done some pretty dark stuff as well (anyone remember Mare?). She’s never actually mixed the fluff and serious angst in a single series that I can recall, but there’s always the possibility that she’s doing it here.

I kind of remember Kisses, Sighs... being that way, but it's been awhile since I read it, probably time for a re-read.

I was considering w/e it would fit or not, as it does actually go into more serious topics than Girl Friends ever did and actually talks about homophobia and social expectations, but after thinking it through there isn't anything even approaching serious angst in it. It did have 1 girl from main couple worrying about their future as a homosexual couple, but it was mostly her just being realistic and careful, rather than having full-blown anxiety. Even the more serious parts in the story are intertwine with comedic bits and lighthearted moments.

In fact, I'd say Girl Friends had way more angst than Kisses. I guess it's probably because Kisses is way shorter so they had to be more focused and get to the point faster, unlike Girl Friends that spend way too much time on stupid misunderstandings and both characters angsting about liking girls and thinking other person doesn't like them, before actually hooking up near the end. Yes, I consider Kisses way superior to Girl Friends and it annoys me to no end that it seems like almost nobody read it stare.

Also, always made it a point to not read Mare

I mean. It's not Ulysses and most of it is just excuse for sex and violence, but I personally liked it and didn't think it was nearly half as bad as people make out it to be. If you can't stand het, rape, violence or all of the above in your story/porn then it's definitely not something for you, but other than that it was actually decent story that ended with yuri.

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Blastaar posted:

Is this really true? The “Master & Me” stuff seems to have started in 2015, so as far as I can tell the age-gap/master-servant material is almost as early as anything else the author has published. What are the “older works” that predate 2015?

Well, looking at it now, it definitely looks insignificant and vast majority of Itou's work are lolicon stuff, but as someone who actually was there when their first works were being translated, initially nothing really indicated that it'll become the norm. First we got 3 chapters of Legally Married Yuri Couple Book in august and november of 2014. We also had Mistress-Servant Yuri Book at the end of october of same year. Then admittedly we got 3 age gap works, 2 in january and 1 in march of 2015, but we also go Spring, a Minuet at the end of may and White Lily and Spring Aster at the end of august. So we got some loli stuff but we also had equal amount of your average high school stuff. Then at the end of the year in december we got first chapter of Isn't The Moon Beautiful, which I'd count as non-loli stuff and first installment of Master and Me along with another age gap one shot. Only since 2016 every single new story from Itou is consistently a lolicon one.

So while they're know for loli stuff now, at first they were more diverse than that. In fact, my friend really liked their stuff back then and especially were huge fan of Legally Married Yuri Couple, so the fact we only got 1 more chapter in 2016 and Itou since then never touched it to focus on loli stuff instead, infuriates them to no end and all the loli stuff is the reason they now avoid any new Hachi stuff.

I guess the person who happened to only read their initial few works and then never read anything new from them for next 6 years is a admittedly very narrow and specific kind of person, but who knows, maybe they do exist and are waiting to be completely shocked by trying to read something new from Itou.

I guess remembering times when Itou Hachi wasn't synonymous with lolicon makes me incredibly old and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

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To be fair, Itou Hachi didn't start out writing lolicon stuff. It's only later that they discovered new fetish and just zoned in on it hard to the point that's everything they release nowadays. So I could actually imagine someone being familiar with their older works, seeing new title and checking it out of curiosity and then being surprised it's loli stuff.

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Ememem posted:

Well, that's a nope from me there. And also, I really wouldn't call that "foiled rape attempt"

It's only "foiled" in the sense that he got interrupted before he could insert it. I agree it doesn't really feel foiled and it even feels more like it's supposed to be comedic moment, which is just another whole level of yikes.

Arkosya posted:

Why a rape attempt two chapters before the ending? It was impossible in the author mind to just keep this plain guy character as a big creepy stalker and never going further?

Rules of writing. You can't have stalker in your story and not have them attempt rape at least once. After all, that's how stories works, right? The more/bigger the conflict the better. Escalating conflict is the best way to keep readers engaged in story and want to know what happens next. Nothing else matters.

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luinthoron posted:

I'm more surprised by the difference in chapter 13, to be honest. The manga is worded way too ambiguously with "that town", making it seem like Menou is an otherworlder as well, while the anime made it quite clear that it was her hometown

Wait. She's not!? That's totally how I understood it in the mango. I actually kinda saw twist with Menou being otherworlder as well coming and liked that part. Also on topic of differences between anime and manga, I really wasn't fan of twist with future Akari, because manga presented her as a total yandere, but in anime she's portrayed just as normal, more knowledgeable version of Akari, which I liked much more. Even the whole ribbon thing comes across less like something she did out of spite, but more out of necessity and just the best and quickest way to help them out. You can actually feel her being sorry for doing it to Momo.

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BoobTwinkler posted:

He was panicking out the door on an important business trip, it's likely he just didn't realize in the moment that he wouldn't be able to return it for a while. She could just get another umbrella lol, if the expense is an issue then he can just pay her back for it when he comes back. He seems far more innocent-minded than malicious or uncaring. It's really not that big a deal, judging someone an asshole over something so slight is a bit of an overreaction imo.

I was putting myself in that situation and if I bothered to buy a nice, good umbrella for me, I wouldn't like if someone borrowed it without letting me know, during period where I'd specifically need it, so I'm forced to buy new or make be, since that's exactly why I bought the nice, good umbrella in the first place. I also was looking at it more in general, but I guess you're right. If it's only specifically about umbrella, I suppose it's not that big of a deal. And well I said, at least for me, he'd be more of a bit of ass and not full on asshole. The word I'd use more would be uncaring? Like he didn't seem to realize or care that his action could inconvenience someone else, but again we only have this 1 specific situation to go around and we didn't get to see how office lady would normally react to her umbrella missing.

Yes. I know it's a comedy one-shot and it's all for the purpose of the gag, but I agree with other commenters that at first I thought guy picked it by accident and so when it turned out, he did it intentionally, to me he came off as a bit of unsympathetic.

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BoobTwinkler posted:

This was fun. What a shitty senpai tho. I totally thought it was an accident and he grabbed a random umbrella, but he knew who it belonged to the whole time. Coulda just sent an email or something as a heads up (but i know then we wouldn't have yuri lol)

Loaning someone's umbrella isn't that big a deal lol, especially since he knew the owner and fully intended to return it at the earliest opportunity. It's not like he didn't take care of it, it would've been a minor inconvenience at worst under normal circumstances.

Loaning no, but lol there's difference between borrowing something for a day or so when you know other person won't need it and borrowing it for a whole week on top of knowing owner will need it the same day (and most likely rest of the week) as well, cos that's the exact reason you're borrowing it, not to mention not even saying anything. You can borrow something without asking when you're in hurry and know other person won't mind, but when it's something they'll most likely use everyday and not letting them know for a week you have it is stretching it a bit, don't you think? If she wouldn't find it, maybe she'd contact him and asked if he has it and wouldn't mind finding different umbrella, but as presented in story he did come off as a bit of a ass.

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Pingoloco posted:

Oh so Kanon doesn't have a father figure, that explains it

Explains what?

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chaosOrchestrator posted:

What word os being translated as "Familiar" in this manga exactly? If the witch created her, wouldn't she be more of a homunculus? Doesn't "familiar" usually mean an already-extant creature that a magic user formed a bond with?

I'm assuming it's 使い魔 (tsukaima), which is word often used in fantasy manga etc. to refer to familiars and has pretty much the same meaning as english word. While it's true usually familiar is referring to magical or other creature that made (or was forced to) contract with mage/witch etc. it's also often used for creatures that one created specifically to be their familiar (at least in other mangas). So as long as its devoted to you and its purpose is serving you, then I'd say it counts.

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Yasako posted:

edit: [url=https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/kamitsuki_academy_ch02#10] this page's [/url] framing is MASTERFUL on god fr fr

WHY DOESN'T DYNsty use BBCODE

You want to do this instead (just quote my post to see).

Here you have formatting commands.

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Sigh. That single-handedly made me lost interest in this series. I don't care if there's a good explanation or there is other stuff story didn't explain yet. We follow the story of Baiser and Tres Magia and it felt like we're reaching the conclusion of their fight. Tres was finally able to overcome Baiser and was close to defeating her, before her magic went out of control. The build-up was there and while of course I like when series I like last as long as possible, it did feel like the story run its natural course. But by no means it meant it'd end up in 3 chapters or not addressing mascot thing. I was sure we'll get Enormeeta and Tres Magia joining forces and subduing Basier and then realizing mascots betrayed them and deal with them together. It could still last like 10, maybe 20 chapters. I just thought what happened to Baiser was the mascots end goal. But no, let's just introduce completely new characters nobody cares about into final fight of conflict that was build up for past 36 chapter and let them resolve it with 1 attack to artificially raise the bar and power level. You thought the characters we spend so much time with and saw develop, grow stronger and mature reached their limit now? Nope, they're still super weak. For me the series lost all of its momentum. Even if Baiser and Tres Maiga will have another fight, it just won't feel the same or have the same gravitas. Especially now that we know that if Baiser would go berserk again, there exist characters that can simply end the treat immediately. Baiser going berserk lost all its narrative strength. Now it's just "thing that happened" that doesn't really matter anymore.

I don't want to go too much into speculations or jumping to assumptions "industry bad" (though, for the most part, industry bad), especially since change to 2 weekly release is not yet confirmed, but to me it does feel like series was supposed to be ending, but it is too popular so author was forced to stretch it, so they changed it last minute, by introducing those 3 new characters to stop Baiser.

EDIT/ And hell. We still could easily get those 3 new girls introduced and "You thought you're strong? Nah, you're incredibly weak" moment after Enormeeta and Tres Magia defeated Baiser and solved their main conflict. The story could continue after that.

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Giftnova posted:

RPG Real Estate might be fanservicey moeblob mediocrity but it's still more overtly gay than like 90% of all the other moeblob CGDCT anime xD

Yea. Forgot to post it as well. Also later when MC talks about 1 day buying big house and all living together, they actually don't like the idea and exchange troubled look between each other.

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As I expected. Spoiled rich girl won and if she wanted to keep playing with Eve she could easily just pay her, but instead Eve had to go and ask for a favor to put herself into even deeper shit, which will probably ruin her life if she loses. But of course "sacred" golf is more important than being able to pay for living ;v

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NexiKuro posted:

Oh god, I was kind of shipping CaiCai and lil' Youzi based on chapter 2, So I guess I hope that doesn't happen if they end up as sisters in law lmao

You mean if their parents end up dating, CaiCai and Youzi shouldn't? Why?

Sei1000 posted:

Wait.. isn't Caicai and lil youzi cousin? I thought i read somewhere that theyre bff and cousin?

Even if they are, so what?

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I was pretty excited about The Executioner and Her Way of Life, but then after watching first episode I made a mistake of checking manga and while I didn't mind first twist of MC turning out to be Lost One as well and even kinda called it, I really didn't like the second one with other girl turning to be yandere with time manipulation powers. Kinda made me lost interest in following it.

RPG Real Estate is pretty trashy moe blob, that's probably not going to be really good, but damn if it's not gay af. We have MC calling other character beautiful, we have 2 characters sleeping together, we have other character telling MC she love her. Don't really expecting anything great, so I'll probably just follow it for mindless cuteness. Och right, also I got hardcore K-on vibes from it. It's about 4 girls that are part of real estate agency, but because they usually barely get any clients they spend most of the time eating cakes and drinking tea... Like they have freaking oven in office and girl baked damn pie xD

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Healer Girl, since 2 adult female teachers have kinda we're dating vibe, though need to see more to confirm anything, but 1 of main 3 girls has hardcore crush on 1 of teachers. Also the premise is pretty unique with girls learning how to use music to heal people. We're talking the magical kind, not just feeling nice etc.

I'm not really sold on Birdie Wing. The main premise is very depressing and I'm kinda afraid they'll go with MC will lose to super rich prodigy and will try to compete with her in real golf tournament or something, when the easy solution is rich girl just helping MC with her insane amount of money. I'm just not expecting this anime handling wealth discrepancy in any good or tasteful way.

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Blastaar posted:

Oh, no—there are “unfortunate implications” in a world dominated by (checks notes) bloodsucking vampires.

Whatever shall we do?

Can't really blame them. Thanks to all the fetishizing, romance stories and general messing with the lore and making new takes vampires completely lost their edge, so I can see how nowadays for most people they're seen as a good guys by default now.

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NARESH4444 posted:

Also,alien vampire-ish creatures from the moon?

I think it's just normal symbolism of Vampires as creatures of the night, hence moon. If you want to read amazing story about alien vampires read Vampire Juujikai (Record of a Fallen Vampire). No yuri though.

BreadBunny posted:

you know a vampire yuri set in a world where humans are just fully subjugated as part of how the world works, is certainly new

It reminds me of Daybreakers. A world where majority of humans were turned into vampires and remaining ones are hunted. Vampire society is on a bring of collapse, since they almost drove humans to extinction and are running out of blood. Sadly the movie was a disappointment, so hopefully the yuri version of it will be better.

TortugaGreen posted:

there's a lot of offscreen really unfortunate implications to this one, mostly in the simple reality that this society practices chattel slavery to a degree greater than any historical implication. See the vending machines full of blood packs, which I really doubt were produced with consent of whoever provided them (especially if some particularly bright and cruel vampire came up with a way to make human factory farming), among other things.

Offscreen? Did you miss the fact MC talks about undomesticated humans, you can literally buy one, MC comments so that's how raw human looks like (implied the blood bags is processed human) and Number One doesn't have a name, calls herself livestock and was clearly raised to be this way. Yes, it's blatant text that humans in this world are considered to be cattle and only live to serve vampires.

I doubt the author's going to spend too much time dwelling on that beyond the passing mentions we've seen so far (and to some degree hope they don't because that could get very dark very fast), but it's something that stands out to me nonetheless.

Except it's huge part of setting and important part of world building and plot, with reason why MC is so smoll and never drunk from human before. Author actually put a fair amount of thought into it and deliver it to us in very subtle ways. That 1 panel from class told us that vampires used to hunt humans without any limits, but at some point it lead to problems and so they started to introduce regulations and presumably 33 years ago they manged to get it under control. In fact while definitely not ideal, vampires really do seem to be trying to at least take better care of humans this time around as there are apparently even laws against hurting humans, I assume akin to animal abuse laws IRL. So sure, it's supposed to be pretty dark setting, when you think about it, but it's also isn't supposed to be like all misfortune and misery for humans Again, not that it makes it excusable or anything, but that's what fiction is for. Exploring that kind of wacky ideas in safe environment. Not all stories have to perfectly reflect our understanding and sense of morality and sensibility.

Pyoro posted:

e: Interesting, so it's all a complete manga and been out for a while.

It was on my to do list for some time, glad to see someone got around to tl'ing it.

Doctor_Hoot posted:

It does seem like chattel slavery, but will it be depicted as a bad thing? Or will it go the Harry Pottery route (where the house elves "enjoy" being slaves)? I guess it's just a lewd manga with only two volumes, so it probably isn't meant to be taken very seriously.

It's not slavery, humans are a livestock and unlike with series that I refuse to name it's not that humans enjoy it, but rather are raised/brainwashed to enjoy it, cos they're cattle and don't know other way to live. And yes, it's clear we're not meant to take it seriously. The setting is dark af and ultra messed up if you approach it with our normal morality and sensibility, but we're clearly not meant to do that. It's clearly just a wacky thought experiment and what if scenario that author came up with. It's not taking itself seriously as a deep dive exploration of how world like that would work and whatever it could be done well/in humane way, but just a interesting idea to set a vampire story in. I'd even go as far as call it dark comedy as it's clearly taking some very serious topics and plays them in comedic fashion, without really acting like they're a big deal. In fact I hope that author will keep that tone and never tries to go into "maybe what we're doing is bad actually?" direction, cos that'd ruin this story completely.

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Sem04 posted:

Is it me misremembering or we finally got A HECKING KISS AFTER 102 CHAPTERS?

It's you misremembering.

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Skywallker posted:

Kasumi is drawn different compared to the beginning

Outside of time progression, it's very common for artist's art to change and develop and Yukiko does draw this series for a long time at this point,

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My sides xD That was actually really good! W szczególności te losowa zdania w innych językach. I also liked how they actually managed to fit a plausible plot into it with jokes and all xD

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Maqueovelic posted:

I understand that, if someone agrees to have sex with you and then decides to backpedal when you are both already naked and next to the bed, it can really rub you the wrong way... but I feel that telling that person that if she doesn't get in bed immediately you're going to become violent is a bit questionable.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't talking about actually beating her up if she won't have sex with her and more if she still is going to insist she's not attractive etc. she's going to "fight" her, as in, prove to her that she's indeed attractive. I guess you could argue, she's going to prove it by having hot lesbian sex with her, but again as we saw so far with this couple, they love to joke around and aren't in the slightest bothered by it as they're constantly on the same page.

Also, if two lovers slut-shame each other, does it count as slut-shaming at all?

No, if they're clearly joking around.

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SHY fits as well.

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Zormau posted:

Is it just me or does Zanka have a thing for maids?

Nah. It's just your imagination.

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Kazu-kun posted:

You're missing the point. The story was shit not because Yukino was an asshole and got scot free. That's not what I meant.

You sure?

The problem with the writing is the Akiyama did mean for Yukino to get character growth but he didn't provide the heavy-lifting for that to feel earned. That's why having a character face the consequences of their actions is important. It's not a matter of morality. It's a matter of narrative internal logic. If a character doesn't face the consequence of their actions, the narrative can't justify their personal growth properly. And that's what happened with Yukino. Her character growth at the end feel forced rather than a logical consequence of her character journey.

Kazu-kun posted:

Most people who liked Octave didn't understand it either, since the only translation available was pretty bad.

I read it in Japanese and personally, I thought it was trash. It was the story of a very narcissistic person whose idea of what she deserved clashed with reality, resulting in her being self-absorbed and selfish. That's not a bad premise in and of itself. The problem is Yukino never faced the consequences of her actions. For example, when she cheated, she was forgiven right away because Setsuko blamed herself. We can argue whether Setsuko was to blame or not, but it doesn't change the fact Yukino got away scot free. And it's exactly because of that reason that she didn't grow as person until the very end. When the author tried to sell us on the idea that Yukino had finally grown the fuck up, it ended up feeling forced and unearned.

Sounds to me her being a asshole who wasn't punished is your main problem, so unless translation completely rewritten her personality and removed some very important parts she supposedly said/thought, then I really fail to see how bad translation is relevant. I also agree we should move it to Octave thread, but I really want to here some specific examples of mistranslated things, because everything you talk about focuses on your own morality and perception how story should go. It honestly sounds to me exactly how you either didn't understand the story or misunderstand certain events or both.

tragicheroine posted:

Not sure but this thought always craving in my mind when I saw adult life or cheating and het tags in yuri manga :
Pretty sure, this seems likely how yuri (les and more like bi) born irl, huh... Like, pure yuri in real life doesn't exist. Yada yada.

I don't compain about the story, I even think that this situation is the most logic yuri can happen irl (usualy from unsatisfaction, uncertainity, emptiness, trauma from characters) but, my heart can't invest on it either coz, sheesh, thats kinda suck and depressing...

While it's heartbreaking that there are people for who such depictions of life are tragic reality, that's 1 huge generalization you're making here and definitely saying something like "pure yuri in real life doesn't exist" is objectively wrong. There are people who only discover their actual sexuality through trial and error and it's often very painful and traumatic path. Other despite their sexuality are forced to live under a lot of expectations and limitations that make their life miserable, especially when they can't be even open about it.

But there's plenty of people who could discover their sexuality in perfectly safe environment and live their life just like they want. In fact some would be aware of it from very young age and always act on it. So no, not every lesbian has to first go through period of dating guys and as people already pointed out, it doesn't mean they "turned" into lesbians, but more discovered their actual sexuality. Also let's not forget about bi people, who exist, so some of those "lesbians that went through het", could actually be bi people, who just happen to date a woman now.

johnb posted:

I was hoping this story was going to be a heart felt drama about a woman awakening to her sexuality in the midst of her wedding preparations. Leaving her with the choice of sticking with her life, as she knows it, or following her true nature. She would agonize about whether or not to stay with her fiance, or leave him her the woman she truly loved. And I would root for her to follow her heart.
Then the blondie, the MC appears to be crushing on, seems to have turned out to be one of those characters whose whole point in life is to make a game of ruining other peoples lives. So much for the heart felt drama I was hoping for. Damn.
Oh well. As long as it just doesn't end with blondie's game eventually backfiring, and rekindling the MC's passion for her fiance, and sending her off into happy het world to live a proper woman's life, then it'll be fine.

While I can understand the appeal of that kind of drama, angst and train-wreck, I totally agree with you and would wish to read something like that myself. Like I'm really sick of stories about shitty people just being shitty for the sake of being shitty. We need more stories about actually decent people, which aren't any less angsty, tragic and interesting. You can make story good without making characters terrible people. That's exactly what I expected from MUL, before it quickly went to shit. I was really happy with revelation that blonde woman is in poly relationship. I really hope she doesn't lie.

Lilisionnach posted:

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not sure why Kashiwai-San is getting flack right now. Is it because she isn’t helping with planning her wedding? I mean, that’s her job and probably the last thing she wants to think about when it’s related to herself, no matter how much she wants to get married.

I think it's mostly she's supposed to be excited about getting wed to her boyfriend? Like I get where you're coming from, but I'd say even if she works as wedding planner, you'd think she'd be even more excited to plan her own wedding, especially as professional. And let's be honest, even if you're right, your lover would still understandable be worried/letdown when you don't really appear to be looking forward and be excited to marry them.

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