ForumYuzumori-san discussion

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joined Feb 9, 2016

@Jess, I'm glad to see that you're comfortable enough with your trauma to talk about them, but I can't help to wonder why you started to read the story if it hurt you that much? Perhaps some kind of therapy to face it? I admire your courage anyway. Sorry if I'm intruding, feel free to ignore my message or insult me. If it's too much, you can delete this part, Nezchan.

Hmm if I recall this correctly I started reading it because I love Yuri and there was nothing else to read that day. Also the first chapters are kind of not.. "Too much" , well talking about this stuff is still awkward and I have to push myself BUT I saw people discussing pedophilia here and I thought that a kid/now adult first hand experience would add to the convo, and thank you for saying that You admire my courage c: . Feel free to ask more questions

Also: I want that time skiep soooo bad xD

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joined Dec 10, 2014

Everybody knows molesting a child is bad, everybody knows that in almost all cases dating a minor or having a large age-gap at younger ages can be problematic. As long as you know this, I don't see the problem with these kind of stories*, they're just wishful thinking - it's exactly because they can't work in real life that people who enjoys them like the whole idea : also, hentai or violent stories aside, those kind of stories tend to be filled with diabetes inducing sweetness.

I guess it's an unpopular opinion and most people will keep seeing those stories as a way to make paedophilia acceptable (since there are still people believing videogames makes you into a mass murdering psychopath) so, in the end, it will probably be censored.

It's complicated because you have to consider not just the effect on say adults who read it but also on children who get exposed to the more "acceptable" stuff on TV and such. And the thing is there are people who wanna make excuses for pedophilia and make it more acceptable. Those people exist.

Whenever this stuff comes up people try to use what they perceive as conventional wisdom, which is really just another way of saying something is your own biases and what you take for granted.

The existence of loli manga and loli fanservice may not turn someone into a pedophile, but it could say dull their reactions to how and in what contexts its presented and how it might affect others. An example of this would be people arguing there's nothing wrong with sexualizing child characters in an anime for children. Could the prevalence of loli fanservice and loli anime fed that perspective? It could have, but we don't know for sure. Just like we don't know for sure what negative affects loli fanservice in children's anime might affect them.

It's complicated and ultimately with the law you have to draw an arbitrary line of where you think the risk of allowing certain speech outweighs the risks of restricting it in a particular way.

A thing people also have to understand is that media doesn't always affect us in the ways its designed to, and it doesn't always affect us as much as we expect it too.

Fight Club is a condemnation of Durden's philosophy. He's the villain. At the end of the day, tho, a lot of people leave that film liking his ideas or thinking he's badass. That wasn't the intent but it ends up being the takeaway for a lot of people.

Nothing is straightforward.

I say this as someone who thinks obscenity laws are often a dangerous tool for government to have. I say this as someone who thinks loli porn manga and such shouldn't be illegal, but that its distribution should be regulated.

At the end of the day, there's a lot we don't know and a lot we don't have studies for, and no amount of "It's definitely bad" or "It's only bad for people who are already dangerous" is gonna change that.

There can be value in even the "bad stuff" too. Victims of abuse who use porn of that abuse as an outlet or a coping tool. I don't want drawn loli porn to be completely illegal because there are people who project themselves onto the lolis in that stuff and it helps them deal with the struggle of living day to day.

Some abusers use loli porn to groom their victims. Some use normal porn to groom their victims. Is loli porn more successful at grooming victims? As far as I know we have no evidence one way or the other. Do we ban because it might be? Do we not ban because we aren't sure? Everything is gonna be about weighing pros and cons and different people are gonna weigh that stuff differently.

tldr: Nobody knows as much about this stuff as they'd like to think they do, as so rather than using their assumptions one way or the other to argue your point, accept that maybe this won't be solved on a yuri manga message board and focus your time and energy more productively.

Like on how adorable Mimika is or how many good gay anime there are this season.

Sshot-8
joined Oct 25, 2011

What will happen if they finally go too far for people's comfort? I can't wait to find out.

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joined Feb 9, 2016

What will happen if they finally go to far for people's comfort? I can't wait to find out.

No one will react just to spite you :p

joined Dec 10, 2017

I’m so glad the conflict is finally over. Also, off topic but does anybody else miss the art style from the first volume? Don’t get me wrong, the art in yuzumori-San is still lovely, but I like the volume one art the best.

Midnightgunner
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joined Sep 30, 2017

Oh, look. After two deadly loli attacks, Mimika's friend is still alive.

She can't be human.

joined Nov 15, 2016

That was lovely, nice to have something cute after the drama.

I kind of miss the time when every chapter ended with a cliffhanger and me losing my shit though. =-p

I'm sure we'll be back there soon enough!

joined Feb 21, 2018

After all that we are back to this? yawn

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Oliviad
joined Apr 20, 2013

Yuri Queen posted:

After all that we are back to this? yawn

What didja expect? more drama?

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joined Aug 17, 2012

"we'll leave the lolicon be ... " - loved that line :D

joined Jul 26, 2016

Shii and Ririha will get along like a house on fire, methinks. :3

Cow%202
joined Sep 27, 2017

Yuri Queen posted:

After all that we are back to this? yawn

What didja expect? more drama?

I'm also genuinely curious as to what they expected. More drama, lots of kissing, tons of sex? I don't think any of those things would have made sense here. Their relationship hasn't quite reached the point where they're going to kiss, however assuming we get more of the festival maybe we'll get the famous fireworks kiss. In terms of drama we just had a lengthy arc packed full of drama, hurt, and cliff hangers. We need a break from drama and having cute+fun interactions between the main pair is necessary for contrast, otherwise things can and will become a slog of misery and suffering. So far I think we've gotten pretty solid character progress.

Also was the "yawn" really necessary? I'd be more interested in hearing you explain why you're unhappy with the way the series is progressing, in your opinion what kind of progress would you prefer to see? Even if I were to disagree with your opinion I could at least respect your ability to present your views in a way that's properly explained.

last edited at Mar 2, 2018 12:09PM

joined Feb 21, 2018

Yuri Queen posted:

After all that we are back to this? yawn

What didja expect? more drama?

How about something more significant than going right back to status quo after 15 chapters of crying. What was the point? Their break up and reconciliation has done little to progress the relationship.

Even if I were to disagree with your opinion I could at least respect your ability to present your views in a way that's properly explained.

I'm avoiding that since from various threads I have been reading the mod here has made it a habit to threaten to ban people who defend their opinion if it doesn't match the majority's.

last edited at Mar 2, 2018 9:23PM

Oliviad
joined Apr 20, 2013

Yuri Queen posted:

Yuri Queen posted:

After all that we are back to this? yawn

What didja expect? more drama?

How about something more significant than going right back to status quo after 15 chapters of crying. What was the point? Their break up and reconciliation has done little to progress the relationship.

Well is just one chapter, let's enjoy the festival ... Because no doubt something will happen when it's over, even the ending of the manga itself lol

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Even if I were to disagree with your opinion I could at least respect your ability to present your views in a way that's properly explained.

I'm avoiding that since from various threads I have been reading the mod here has made it a habit to threaten to ban people who defend their opinion if it doesn't match the majority's.

Oh, grow up.

Cow%202
joined Sep 27, 2017

Yuri Queen posted:

After all that we are back to this? yawn

What didja expect? more drama?

How about something more significant than going right back to status quo after 15 chapters of crying. What was the point? Their break up and reconciliation has done little to progress the relationship.

Even if I were to disagree with your opinion I could at least respect your ability to present your views in a way that's properly explained.

I'm avoiding that since from various threads I have been reading the mod here has made it a habit to threaten to ban people who defend their opinion if it doesn't match the majority's.

You're really starting to come across as an immature troll. So I know I'm probably getting baited into giving a response, but here goes. Their break up has done little to progress their relationship you say? I'd strongly disagree. Yuzumori was able to completely open up and tell Mimika how she felt, which was the entirety of chapter 29 and 30. For example https://dynasty-scans.com/system/releases/000/019/928/011.png that page where Yuzumori tells Mimika that she never got to say how she felt, because Mimika ran away from her. This is in my opinion a key moment of the series where both characters realize that if they need to actually talk about out their issues with each other.

On the note of going back to the "status quo" as you say, I think that's normal in my personal experiences with human interaction in general. I've had huge fights with some of the people most dear to me, then we talk about our problems and discuss how we feel, then the following day things are pretty much back to normal. Our relationship progressed because we both learned how to handle each other's emotions and how to talk things out a bit better, which the next time we get into a fight the experience helps us resolve things more quickly and smoothly.

Ultimately in order to show how much the characters have progressed in this story we need more time and chapters, the author needs to show us that the characters now know that it's best to talk things out. However in the meantime we need some healthy fun between the characters, so now that everyone has expressed their feelings and wiped off their tears it's time for some fun at the festival!

last edited at Mar 3, 2018 12:03AM

joined Feb 21, 2018

@Nez You're really not helping your case at all.

@FluffyCow I'm just not going to respond when the first thing you call me is a troll just because I have a differing opinion than you. It's childish. You can scrape whatever ooze you want from the corner of the pages and call it "progress" but yet here we are back to status quo with nothing to show that the 15 chapters of drama was worth it.

last edited at Mar 3, 2018 4:43PM

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joined Nov 19, 2017

Do you people even enjoy things anymore?

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joined Jul 29, 2017

This has never been a fast-paced story; anyone expecting it to suddenly become so is bound to be disappointed.

Oliviad
joined Apr 20, 2013

Blastaar posted:

This has never been a fast-paced story; anyone expecting it to suddenly become so is bound to be disappointed.

The only way I see this going faster is with a time skip... Either that or having the nsfw tag, ruining all her efforts so far

Dynasty%20necromancer
joined Mar 6, 2014

This has never been a fast-paced story; anyone expecting it to suddenly become so is bound to be disappointed.

As slow paced as it was, it was still taking steps forward someway and it reached a destination, the conflict we had for the past chapters. If the end result of all that drama is to simply go back to the status quo plus a new friend i guess then it's no longer a case of slow pacing, but stepping backwards
I myself don't want to accuse that's the case right away since this was only half a chapter, but that outcome is something i feared ever since the drama started to happen so i can't help feeling a bit paranoid

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

"Next time,the pair finally..."

Finally what? Kiss?

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joined Oct 6, 2015

"Next time,the pair finally..."

Finally what? Kiss?

Finally fvck xDD (run away)

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joined Mar 22, 2017

Oh, look. After two deadly loli attacks, Mimika's friend is still alive.

She can't be human.

Indeed. How the hell she survive from 2 consecutive loli flying kick. XD

Really love this story. This Author never fail to make me keep reading and looking forward to next chapter.

last edited at Mar 4, 2018 5:28AM

Neneavysmall
joined May 20, 2013

"Next time,the pair finally..."

Finally what? Kiss?

I'm giggling as I imagine this line was added purely because someone here complained of a lack of cliffhangers. X3

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