the thing is, ambiguity of relationships is one of the classic yuri tropes, and in fact it's only relatively recently that explicitly romantic, let alone sexual, relationships have become more common.
i'm not pointing this out so much to come down on one side or the other but to say that worrying about the exactly defined genre of a particular work might not be very fruitful. which for all i know is what the author is expressing in that interview excerpt.
It might help if we get an afterword from the author once the comic is finished, one in English and Japanese (since they've said before that they can speak both). So we can get a clear understanding of their intent and ideas, what kind of relationship they're intending for these characters. I think it would be interesting to hear their thought process.
I was the one side in that argument stating that she said, in her interview, that she didn't consider the story she's currently writing as yuri (ie, romance between girls), but as "female close relationship" or something. Ie, Gal Pals. Or subtext.
Afk was arguing that she implied "so far", I was arguing that she's talking about the whole story in general.
Not yuri then. Friendly affection between girls. The warmth of having a gal pal who is really close to you, like a soulmate, and really understands you.
This chapter really drives the point home.
This reminds me of an episode of People Watching. The entire thing is about how popular culture heavily devalues friendships and tries to center everything on sexual relationships despite that being "Fucking lame."
Dating someone doesn't have to be a sexual relationship, romance doesn't have to be sexual. Yuri can be a whole lot of everything, including platonic. "Nettaigyo wa Yuki ni Kogareru" is listed as Subtext on here, but I've seen a good amount of people and other websites classify it as Yuri.
Also as for the video you linked, I feel it largely centralizes around the concept that men and women can be friends, without it being sexual or romantic. However there's also a very good comment on that video talking about relationships and the fears people have, the last part of said comment is "Their relationship is primed for a powerful and stable romantic relationship, but they refrain from moving their friendship to a romantic stage from fear of losing the existing trust and support. It is ironic, and in my opinion, bittersweet.", which I think is a very good point. People CAN just be friends, but they can also be more than friends without things being sexual or even romantic. It's a complicated topic, and feelings are hard to sort through, as humans we're messy unsure creatures.
With this manga we're on a website that focuses on sharing romantic F/F comics, and so a lot of people want to see them at least date, hold hands, fall in love and bond over music. I don't think everyone on here wants to see them fuck. I do think whatever relationship the author goes for should be interesting. There's nothing wrong with platonic friendships, nonsexual romances, and sexual relationships. Everyone has their preferences.
I'm a bit mixed. On one hand, hell yeah female friendships forming over a beautiful hobby that gets them kinda ostracised from others. On the other hand, it feels very much like galpal erasure of gay girls because they're just really close friends. Nothing's final until the author says so of course, but the path seems to be getting clearer.
I will definitely still follow this story, but just a bit disheartened now.
Yeah there's also I think the gay erasure aspect to consider here. Where so many same sex relationships just get dismissed as purely friends. As I said in my comments above, this series can still be Yuri, Women's Love, or however you want to define it where they're in something along the lines of maybe a platonic love relationship, that isn't romantic or sexual, but they're still more than friends.
Nobody here really wants to be in the business of determining what is or isn't fitting the criteria of a Yuri (or related) tag. It's not an easy or straightforward determination in most of the cases in which it matters. So, I wouldn't expect any further changes to the current setup of Yuri, Yuri Crush, and Subtext until and unless other terms become more widely-used than they are today.
Makes sense, thanks for the reply! I think just using "Yuri" (and Yuri Crush + Subtext) is fine personally, the symbol of the Lily is still iconic in Japanese media.
Well I didn't expect from this cute chapter to come into a serious and intense conversation like this.
All I can say is if we start tagging series on Dynasty as "wlw" and "Yuri" seperately there might be a lot of fighting on what exactly defines the two. Author intent. So many factors, along with personal opinions. I just don't see it going well at all personally, but maybe I'm wrong...
I think I'm missing something here, and might have forgotten or not read something properly, is the married woman at the end her friend with the cat-ear like hair?
Nah that's not Takahashi. Without going back through all the chapters to see if she appeared before, i'd wager the married lady is simply one of her readers whom she met before at an event like this, that's why she greets her like that.
Ah okay, thanks. I was...very worried there for a second haha
Yeah I tried to skim through previous chapter but couldn't find her, so I was just like "hmm..."
Hmmmm the description says slutty but I’m getting the vibe that Utako is gonna be the “committed” one in the relationship which is a nice subversion to how the bisexual tag always ends up with the player tag
Hmmmm the description does not say slutty. If you mean the "can't settle down" part, I think it's meant in a more literal sense. Like, she can't be in one place for a long time, so she travels from country to country.
It's part of the page 21 description on the bottom right, "slutty".