It looks like my prediction of Misa keeping a completely isolated Io at her apartment has panned out, except Misa is almost in the same situation, and Io is refusing to sell her out. The agency may still try to blame Misa, but they won't be getting a statement from Io unless it's under heavy coercion, like something on the level of physically threatening her.
Waka went pretty fast from being worried about the implications of releasing photo to "It would have come out eventually, so I did nothing wrong." Like Io and Misa, she has demasked herself, but in her case it's that she's accepted she's okay doing things like this to get an advantage.
Hase and Marei having a breakdown powerlessly is somewhat funny, given how much they've been played up as a threat. It shows us that their relationship is a lot more than the professional one and that they likely both care about each other. At the very least Hase cares about Marei, but Marei must know she couldn't easily replicate her relation with Hase.
@rainbow8
IIRC Misa doesn't have prior BDSM experience, and Io certainly doesn't, so they're making it up as they go. You can't forget something you never knew.
I also occasionally see claims that safewords aren't as big a part of Japan's BDSM culture. A source I lost said they relied on "just pay attention"; this one is more negative: "Never have I ever heard Japanese people in the scene talk about considerations related to BDSM best practices in the States, such as negotiation or safewords."
Thanks for sharing that.
Strictly speaking "just pay attention" is enough outside of CNC. You only need an understanding of what it would look like if one of you needed to stop, which I increasingly think should be explicit conversation for any couple (even though it isn't always a conversation even in US BDSM). "No means no" is a good default, but some people shut down when they feel threatened or think they're being clear when they're not by the other's standards. Similarly, having a safe word doesn't establish the person will be able to use it if they need it.
From the referenced paragraph, I thought this was interesting:
I mean, there was one occasion where I was about to pass out and I said, in Japanese, it's choto kimochigawarui, which means, I think I'm going to faint or I feel odd.
Because it's roughly how I would phrase this. If I know the person isn't trying to make me pass out, I don't need to safe word or tell them to stop. All they need is this information about what's happening. I think this can generally be a good system.
The safe word would of course very much be necessary if someone wanted to replicate the comic IRL without Extremely Bad stuff happening, given they went deeply into CNC while barely knowing each other. Thankfully manga characters like Misa can reliably intuit the "subconscious consent" during dramatic scenes accurately enough that things mostly work out while skipping conversations, unlike people in real life.
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