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joined Jul 29, 2017

@Blastaar: I thought it was obvious we were discussing how the readers reacted to and interpreted Mitsuki's actions. How Aya will react is up to the author. This whole "lol, judging fictional characters under real world standards / ethics tribunal / morality court" shtick has gotten old over the years, especially since you only apply it very selectively, mainly when you encounter an unfavourable remark under a work you personally like.

That last is quite false, but if it makes you feel better to believe it, knock yourself out.

Watching people create walls o’ self-righteousness over fictional characters not behaving up to optimal ethical standards (as determined by Dynasty readers) has gotten old as well, particularly since “people behaving badly” is practically the ur-definition of “story.”

I guess we’ll just have to grow old together.

last edited at Aug 21, 2022 8:48PM

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joined Jan 19, 2016

We're still traumatized by Nettaigyo.

eh really ? i loved everything in this series tbh, it was pure bliss for me

Type1afterthecurtaincallssoyoungregrets_sm2
joined Sep 1, 2021

I appreciate the passionate responses people here have shown about human rights. Stories reflect people and as our understand of what people can be evolves, that deepens stories rather than entrenches cliches. It's enriching to have more perspectives to examine things.

What if Mitsuki was a trans man? Let's assume for a moment that Aya got the gender right but not the assigned sex. After all Mitsuki's real self is cool and stylish, she's stealth at school, and she swears to stop wearing skirts when she's an adult. In that sort of situation there's even more reasons why Mitsuki's real persona would be a secret and both sides of that dual life would be separated. There's no reason the (low-testosterone) body matters at this point. The "boku" pronoun Mitsuki has used isn't out of line for women. If Mitsuki was a man there would be no reason so far to ever talk about sex assigned at birth. And your junk only needs to be mentioned immediately before a potential situation to use it comes up because coming out and spilling your medical information to someone carries large social and emotional risks, and a risk of physical violence. Awkwardness can be survived, and you should minimize putting yourself at a disadvantage to someone you don't trust.

If sexuality wasn't at issue here, would the deception-by-omission be different? Let's say a popular person (whatever gender) liked a cool record store employee (of a gender they know they're attracted to). If the employee was secretly also the lanky quiet person sitting next to the popular person in class, with no gender issue, they may be delaying the reveal because it's all kinds of awkward. So far the relationship hasn't passed any barriers beyond the platonic range. I think this would carry if the employee was a gender they know the popular person is attracted to though not the one the popular person thinks they are. There are a lot of grounds for mutual embarrassment even if sexuality was less of a potential conflict here.

The real situation has elements of those two examples, and not much else. Gender or birth sex let alone what's in someone's pants does not obligate them to break their privacy and trust others with their well-being. Delaying the awkwardness is otherwise reasonable at this point in the relationship. Avoiding potential awkwardness and embarrassment, for liking a person or employing a person, are not reasons for them to share information with you that would not necessarily have changed their actions, especially with them bearing all or most of the social, emotional, and physical risk.

Mitsuki is not responsible for Aya having a crush on her. The potential embarrassment of flirting with someone not of a gender you like, because their gender expression was your type, is not an embarrassment worth someone else bending over backwards for you. The situation may be a teen drama tragedy for Aya, especially as it seems to be her first love, but at this platonic point in the relationship it's tragic in the funny-in-retrospect way like misplacing your lunch -- not tragic like someone stealing from her. The conflict is much more interesting when we can see both sides of it, without getting weirdly entitled about someone owing someone else.

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Freakinspacians
joined Feb 17, 2018

I love this chapter. It's refreshing to read something emotionally grounded for a change and I hope they explore Aya's feelings more rather than quickly move past the misunderstanding.

Also I hate to say it but it feels like a platonic ending fits this series better, much as it pains me because this comic had the best yearning expressions art ever.

last edited at Aug 21, 2022 10:39PM

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joined Jan 2, 2022

@Pyrrho

I didn't say mine nearly as well, but I was trying to say something similar. I agree with this completely.

Mitsuki_25_1_40
joined May 7, 2022

Mitsuki is not responsible for Aya having a crush on her. The potential embarrassment of flirting with someone not of a gender you like, because their gender expression was your type, is not an embarrassment worth someone else bending over backwards for you. The situation may be a teen drama tragedy for Aya, especially as it seems to be her first love, but at this platonic point in the relationship it's tragic in the funny-in-retrospect way like misplacing your lunch -- not tragic like someone stealing from her. The conflict is much more interesting when we can see both sides of it, without getting weirdly entitled about someone owing someone else.

^^^^ exactly

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joined Feb 21, 2019

Man ya’ll sure are good at turning fun gay comics into a total drag

Type1afterthecurtaincallssoyoungregrets_sm2
joined Sep 1, 2021

I only came here to say Aya is blaming herself, and I'm not even 100% sure Aya grasps the situation yet. I guess we'll see how Aya thinks about the friendless girl who has basically only smiled at her but otherwise kept to herself... If she buys into Mitsuki's mood, how could she expect someone like that would throw away a close friendship, even if Aya is someone Mitsuki could never fall for? Mitsuki did the same flattered accidental flirting when she was surprised by Aya at work (and had planned to come out as female to Aya that day), and when Aya used Mitsuki as an excuse to not be alone with the guy. So Aya noticed Mitsuki's identity just after telling a half truth and using Mitsuki as a convenient shield. Aya accidentally became a lonely girl's only friend, by crushing on her, and never outright talking gender. Aya didn't think anything out, may not have expected much progress on the crush, definitely didn't expect to be attracted to a woman, may even think Mitsuki is romantically dense, and now the mortification is hitting.

And I will never recommend Nettaigyo, but your mileage may vary. It had an uncomfortable resonance of character loneliness that I'm sure is a beautiful aesthetic to some, but for me it felt like indistinct mud. I don't feel burned, or that the author wasted my time, though I guess it would have been better to never start it so I didn't have to finish.

In any case I don't think this story will get that muddy even if the mistaken attraction doesn't lead to dating (give that time though).

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Dynasty Scans
joined Oct 29, 2010

Is this still on the yuri route?

52722-l
joined Nov 8, 2017

Let me guess, Aya thinks the "guy" sent her playlist to Mitsuki

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joined Mar 14, 2016

I think the story is finally lining up with the original images.

Or at the very least being referenced.

DR2 Hajime Hinata
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joined Jul 20, 2016

if she did come to the conclusion that Koga is listening to "Onii-san's" playlist because he sent it to her as well, I'm surprised she didn't come up with the more plausible one, which is that "Onii-san" and Koga are siblings. Hopefully this means she actually figured it out once and for all.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

We're still traumatized by Nettaigyo.

eh really ? i loved everything in this series tbh, it was pure bliss for me

Same, still not just one of the best yuri manga I've ever read, but one of my absolute favorites regardless of genre.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

We're still traumatized by Nettaigyo.

eh really ? i loved everything in this series tbh, it was pure bliss for me

Same, still not just one of the best yuri manga I've ever read, but one of my absolute favorites regardless of genre.

I liked almost all of it a lot, but as an earlier commenter said, the massive subtext almost overwhelmed the literal text, as if it took more effort to make it not yuri than it would have been to just follow the logic of the story and characters.

Still an excellent read, though, with well-developed and appealing characters. And a prime example of creators meaning a variety of things when they say they don’t think of their story as being yuri.

Mitsuki_25_1_40
joined May 7, 2022

I think the story is finally lining up with the original images.

Or at the very least being referenced.

Nice observation!

Takasaki Reika
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joined Oct 20, 2017

Man ya’ll sure are good at turning fun gay comics into a total drag

me when I turn my brain off so I can enjoy content without problems (I'm dead)

joined Jan 14, 2020

We're still traumatized by Nettaigyo.

eh really ? i loved everything in this series tbh, it was pure bliss for me

It actually used "Isn't the moon beautiful?"!!! Among other subtext.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

We're still traumatized by Nettaigyo.

eh really ? i loved everything in this series tbh, it was pure bliss for me

It actually used "Isn't the moon beautiful?"!!! Among other subtext.

Um, I know it's in obliqueness and ambiguity-loving Japan and all, so the demarcations between "text" and "subtext" aren't always as clear as they might be in other cultures, but:

Is that even subtext?

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joined Jan 15, 2020

SHE KNOWSSSS!!! ABORT MISSION! SHIT IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN!!!!!

joined Jan 3, 2020

I would be willing to accept a straight-but-friends ending, but them dating would be 100x better.

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joined Oct 30, 2021

if she did come to the conclusion that Koga is listening to "Onii-san's" playlist because he sent it to her as well, I'm surprised she didn't come up with the more plausible one, which is that "Onii-san" and Koga are siblings. Hopefully this means she actually figured it out once and for all.

Nope, she connected the dots and now knows that Oni-san and Koga are the same person

Eri
joined Aug 30, 2020

It's actually kind of nice to see that we're not going to get the runaround of typical drama, the likes of which would assume that "Onii-san" and Koga were related. Good on her for making the direct connection that they're the same person instead.

Sayaka
joined Jan 27, 2020

So glad I came upon this series. It has such a unique visual style, concise but effective storytelling, and actually well-written, interesting characters--a real breath of fresh air!

It's surprising but welcome to see not only the big reveal happen already with this chapter, but also how it's dealt with in a serious manner and not flippantly or "just for laughs"--there's actual emotional weight behind the realization. IMO the series, its characters, and their relationships as they have been portrayed up to this point deserve such treatment.

The manga just keeps surprising me and I can only imagine it's going to get better. Can't wait to see how it continues to develop!

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