people are really hung up on the drug depiction

Fantastic read, honestly. Very fun too. Adored the afterwords too.

Oohh I hate that poor Akane has to boymode to handle stuff she should be able to do as herself. Raaaaaaaaa.
I hate even more that I fucking get why she's doing it but I still think it fucking SUCKS

Ow, my heart

Ruka's so cute I wish she was my wife

Oh, this chapter... my heart...

Yeah, Girly's pretty great. A little clumsy and awkward about it, but his heart's in the right place.

I recently learned that they only in 2023 they changed the law so you don't have to be sterilized to apply for legal gender change.
"but lily they require srs to change it"
they require you to be in the process, but you wouldn't have to wait until it's done, presumably.

I spent a little time looking it up 'cause I was curious what terminology for trans people was like and wanted to dig a little deeper since the words I used to associate with transgender people in japan are practically slurs. So I wanted more up to date stuff.

I'm not shutting people down, I'm literally talking about NOT telling others what to think.

It's not necessarily just you or how your actions are interpreted as an individual, but more just that the general reaction for a character exhibiting relatable traits to trans people and getting called trans by some readers is pretty frequently resisted by other forum members. It's not just for this manga either, so it's been kind of a build up of frustration and I apologize if the way I was going about it singled you out as if you were the culprit of that resistance.

But as it does stand we (being a nebulous clump of trans users who do look at stuff like this and will say "wow, trans!" in the forums about it) are, honestly, clawing at any little bit we can get for representation because there's so damn little. That lack and the resistance to expressing that a character might be trans is bound to cause some abrasiveness between us.

Looking forward to this one.

I wondered if it was tagged het given Akane and Miwa at least sound straight for now, given Miwa talking about boyfriends.

Hoping for change, but I will be following this one regardless

Well, it really bothers me when people are so demanding for evidence a character is trans, as if they want the character to, as someone has already put it, turn to the camera and say "oh, I'm trans."

It also really pisses me off when people try to use "but they could be non-binary or agender or gnc" but only when someone insists a character is trans (and spoiler alert: I consider the first two trans anyways, they aren't cis after all so they're trans. You can escape the gender binary of male and female but cis and trans is a different categorical binary altogether).

But for fuck's sake, if you wanna say "I think they're non-binary!" Or any of the other arguments used, you can do it without trying to shut down people who think they could be trans

I'm not too worried about the bottle. Maybe she just happens to have makeup from an edgier company

It hasn't even been a week yet and I keep coming back to this one. It's so sweet...

Wouldn't it be wild, if when Saaya agreed to come to Sakura's apartment for the first time Chris Hansen was sitting there?

Go away.

I'm kinda with the first guy here

Maybe you could fuck off too, lmao

A girl who happens to be packing extra is still a girl. Yuri is love between girls.

So yes, obviously.

This was a fantastic read. Love this for them, and it's nice to see their love is lasting right at the end. Ahh, how sweet it must be to do what you truly love both in romance and hobbies...

That does a solid job kicking some of the old discussion, lmao.

Other people could relate to that very same character and feel uncomfortable being called trans by proxy.

For me, Ren's character is written as being uncomfortable with being assigned a gender, or being expected to act a certain way, wear certain clothes or have a certain voice. And if you read the small character in the pages of chapter 4, you'd see that people keep asking them "do you know the term x-gender?" or "Are you going to get surgery?". Well intentioned people piling up pressure on them to conform to "something". Which is something that some people may relate to and which you are, in my opinion, participating into.

Anyway, I'll stop this conversation, because you're veering into being grossly insulting to someone you know nothing about and seem to be unable to keep this civil. Just ignore me from now on.

Then they could discuss it, they don't need someone jumping in to defend them, they can do it themselves. Don't infantilize people like that.

So, it's fine for you to interpret Ren your way, but if someone else has an interpretation that has them thinking and expressing that they might be trans, you're gonna be a pedant about it? You're going to start splitting hairs on terminology and complaining about labels? What makes your interpretation fine but theirs requires you to step in to defend a fictional character from being labeled by readers?

And please, the most "grossly insulting" I've been so far is calling you insufferable. From my point of view, the fact that you seem so insistent about avoiding labeling something as trans is something that in my eyes tells me you're probably either transphobic or toeing the line of it.

Lilification posted:

God you are so fucking insufferable that it's a miracle no one else has called you out on your horseshit. Do you get like this when someone talks about a character not explicitly stated to be a lesbian is called a lesbian? Do you get this pedantic about subtext? Why the fuck is "UM, AKSHUALLY THEY NEVER SAID THEY'RE TRANS OR (whatever fucking label)" your hill to die on?

Keep the ad-hominem off this forum.

Answer the question. What's your deal with someone saying a character is trans? Why do you treat it as if it's some grave sin to call a character who is shown being uncomfortable with their assigned gender trans? When someone sees the character's story and, being trans themselves, relates to it and interprets the character as trans, why do you feel the need to jump in to correct them?

And lemme pre-empt that "Forcing a label on them they don't identify as is rude.You're free to think they're trans, but the tag/label shouldn't set it in stone." garbage you tried to pull earlier: they are a fictional character. They're not going to be offended for being called trans since they literally do not exist outside of the story.

Or you can not answer and fuck off, I'd take that too.

girlswhokiss posted:

You may not identify as trans but you are included in it because of your relation to society, and I'm not going to force you to call yourself that because it is a personal preference, and I myself do not use a certain label that does apply to me because it makes me very uncomfortable, but when we are analyzing our relation to society, that's what you'd fall under because you are not cis.

Love being portrayed as the evil mean one in a discussion for clearly seeing someone treating transness as something inherently bad that's forced on a character by people who relate to them!

I never said being trans was bad. Don't distort my thoughts.Trans people are very fine people, I don't have any problem with them.

I just object to put people in little boxes they never asked to be put into.

Some people are averse to the word "trans", it's true. These people should be educated of course, but applying the term to those who didn't ask for it may make them a target.

And I think in a chapter of this very manga, the author made it clear that being labeled was harrowing to Ren.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pale_blue_green_color_saudade_ch04#12

And if this manga is a bit autobiographical, you can feel the pain of the author when they're told what they should be. A man, a woman, a trans. I'm not even sure they want to identify as non-binary.

God you are so fucking insufferable that it's a miracle no one else has called you out on your horseshit. Do you get like this when someone talks about a character not explicitly stated to be a lesbian is called a lesbian? Do you get this pedantic about subtext? Why the fuck is "UM, AKSHUALLY THEY NEVER SAID THEY'RE TRANS OR (whatever fucking label)" your hill to die on?

Lilification posted:

"You're free to think they're trans, but if you express that I'm going to argue with you and be a pedant about it"

I'm going to exercise my right to free speech, yes.

How about you exercise your right to not shit on other peoples' parades when it's really not harming anything or even doing much?

"You're free to think they're trans, but if you express that I'm going to argue with you and be a pedant about it"

This has been a good read so far. Hit me very hard in an emotional spot so there's been some tears already. I will finish it, even if yaoi is not my usual read. Sometimes you just need a good queer story, y'know?

edit: forgot how to format things so i'm making myself look less stupid

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Poor Fuuko.

Powerful extras.