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Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

[...] she still probably isn't consciously aware of it

Certainly if you also read the added web novel context notes.

Welp, as long as her Schwarzschild radius remains bounded by the dimensions of her body, we'll still have a story to enjoy. :-)

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joined Dec 18, 2021

I think they do it at least once in every romcom in the shop. I have read some really old romcoms in my day, hetero for-boys stuff like from 30 years ago, and it's the second or third most used trick when they try to come up with a reason for the cute and popular girl to fall for the dumb nerd mc: she tries to cook something, messes up, but he eats it nonetheless and her heart goes pitter-patter for him. The only ploys that are even more commonplace are "she falls for him after she sees him feeding a stray kitten" and the absolute most popular "she falls for him 'cause one time he did for her some random everyday thing that was kinda nice" which ranks number one in all the charts.

I understand where you're coming from—and I have to agree, the youthful romantic comedies featured in shounen manga magazines are cringy beyond belief and they all seem to have every inch the same plotline done again and again. Worst thing is the hero always defined as a "nice guy" who gets all the popular hotties just because he's "nice" and that seems to be all the needed reason. The school beauty drops a pen, the hero was passing by, picks it for her and leaves—and she immediately starts thinking "oh wow I want to have his babies!" I call this kind of manga wish-fulfilling fantasies for incels. Incels who dream of beating the chads without putting any real effort, who think they're entitled just for being self-proclaimed nice guys.

Sometimes readers complain that yuri manga plots are unrealistic. Syah right, they make me lmao a lot. Next to shounen manga's romantic comedies, most yuri series read like Dostoyevsky. Even the ones who are self-satisfaction fantasies and not to be taken seriously.

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E. Vigée Le Brun
joined Jun 8, 2021

I see, I see. It's good that after all this time she's built up a tolerance, huh? Otherwise she'd melt into a pasty goo at the sight of Elsa's devastating cuteness. Right. Ok.
... And she still doesn't get it?
I want to kick something.

I know, right? I also want to break things.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
How long till that dense dense thing gets a clue and kisses her Elsa?

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joined Mar 25, 2021

The person Elsa likes is Evie?! No way who couldve seen this coming!

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joined Oct 22, 2021

It feels… worrisome, in several ways, that Elsa’s traits are so Evie-centric.

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joined Apr 23, 2021

It feels… worrisome, in several ways, that Elsa’s traits are so Evie-centric.

Well, she is a romance-game protagonist after all, probaply a self insert one. So she kinda does define herself by who she likes

herenowforever
Singeraigenerated
joined Feb 11, 2018

Sometimes readers complain that yuri manga plots are unrealistic. Syah right, they make me lmao a lot. Next to shounen manga's romantic comedies, most yuri series read like Dostoyevsky. Even the ones who are self-satisfaction fantasies and not to be taken seriously.

Worst two things about your average garbage rom-com with male protagonist are:

1) He's really average or below average looking man with little to no redeeming qualities.

And yet for some reason every woman within 10 kilometers wants him, and is willing to go incredibly degrading lengths to make that happen, regardless of what their characterization should be, based on their age / education level / general personality.

It's way worse than reverse of this is in shoujo, there the worst problem is that all men are "perfect", more like gods than real people.

2) Harem aspect. Women may compete for a guy, but most of the time it stays unnaturally civil, and often even the most jealous woman will end up being happy to share with other competitors, even though none of them is getting any real satisfaction or attention from him. Nobody ever walks away from the competition either in anger after feeling rejected. They all stay in the plot, and sometimes are still after this nobody even when he managed to force himself to "choose one".

Yuri harems are rare, and usually lampoon the concept or make it seem more plausible. Like "She Gets Girls Every Day", where the protagonist is incredibly attractive and sweet girl, who arguably really could charm every non-straight woman she meets.

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Ran-lossy
joined Mar 22, 2015

Does anyone else think it is possible that Elsa is ALSO a person from the real world reborn into the game?

Unnamed
joined Jul 23, 2017

Sometimes readers complain that yuri manga plots are unrealistic. Syah right, they make me lmao a lot. Next to shounen manga's romantic comedies, most yuri series read like Dostoyevsky. Even the ones who are self-satisfaction fantasies and not to be taken seriously.

Uncultured swines can't appreciate both, smh. I get the best of both worlds!

The sillier the better.

last edited at Apr 21, 2022 6:34AM

joined May 23, 2013

Worst thing is the hero always defined as a "nice guy" who gets all the popular hotties just because he's "nice" and that seems to be all the needed reason.

Compare this to the superior yuri harem manga Watamote, in which Tomoko gets the girls because she's a scumbag weirdo.

Capture
joined Aug 12, 2021

I wonder, now that I'm looking at the character details I notice Elsa's doesn't have her birthday on it.

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joined May 1, 2015

Yvonne Smollett...
There is nothing "small" about her lmao.

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joined Oct 22, 2021

I wonder, now that I'm looking at the character details I notice Elsa's doesn't have her birthday on it.

The eternal question of ‘is this plot relevant, or did they forget?’

welease.wodger
joined Oct 2, 2021

Yvonne Smollett...
There is nothing "small" about her lmao.

Yvonne Jugganorks is more accurate.

Capture
joined Aug 12, 2021

I wonder, now that I'm looking at the character details I notice Elsa's doesn't have her birthday on it.

The eternal question of ‘is this plot relevant, or did they forget?’

haha, yes exactly.

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

I wonder, now that I'm looking at the character details I notice Elsa's doesn't have her birthday on it.

The eternal question of ‘is this plot relevant, or did they forget?’

Maybe she doesn't have a fixed birthday, allowing the player to give any date?

La duchesse de Pecquigny
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joined Jun 7, 2021

Does anyone else think it is possible that Elsa is ALSO a person from the real world reborn into the game?

It's a canon fact that she has absolutely no idea how the villainess system works, or even that such a thing exists... so to answer you: sorry, nope.

Miku
joined Feb 27, 2016

I wonder, now that I'm looking at the character details I notice Elsa's doesn't have her birthday on it.

The eternal question of ‘is this plot relevant, or did they forget?’

Maybe she doesn't have a fixed birthday, allowing the player to give any date?

Well, from the chapter with the priestess, she grew up from an orphanage, so maybe she was either left in the orphanage as a baby or abandoned, so we're not sure what is her actual birthday. In this case, the player can instead set her birthday for themselves.

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joined Jun 7, 2021

Worst two things about your average garbage rom-com with male protagonist are:

1) He's really average or below average looking man with little to no redeeming qualities.

And yet for some reason every woman within 10 kilometers wants him, and is willing to go incredibly degrading lengths to make that happen, regardless of what their characterization should be, based on their age / education level / general personality.

It's way worse than reverse of this is in shoujo, there the worst problem is that all men are "perfect", more like gods than real people.

2) Harem aspect. Women may compete for a guy, but most of the time it stays unnaturally civil, and often even the most jealous woman will end up being happy to share with other competitors, even though none of them is getting any real satisfaction or attention from him. Nobody ever walks away from the competition either in anger after feeling rejected. They all stay in the plot, and sometimes are still after this nobody even when he managed to force himself to "choose one".

Yuri harems are rare, and usually lampoon the concept or make it seem more plausible. Like "She Gets Girls Every Day", where the protagonist is incredibly attractive and sweet girl, who arguably really could charm every non-straight woman she meets.

What's a yuri harem anyway? Off the top of my head I don't remember that many. I can think of two that are updated regularly and I follow: Asumi is interested in Lesbian Brothels and Sorry I'm not Into Yuri. In the 1st one Asumi PAYS those girls to go on dates with her and have sex, arguably she's such a sweetheart she could charm them but not many seem to be seriously smitten with her. In the 2nd one the protagonist is a cute girl with a horrible personality (she's like the lead of a mainstream rom-com in her total lack of redeeming qualities) and she does have a female harem... but only after she drugged all those girls with a love potion! So yeah, the authors make a point of making it plausible.

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joined Aug 1, 2011

Vilainess System, the greatest yuri wingman

really good news if it doesn't... it really is the greatest yuri wingman for this story

Now I'm wondering whether the villainess system got fed up and decided to pick a new girl to order around that would actually pick the nasty choices

If the system is actually based on game routes and Elsa forced herself onto an Evie route, then it might make sense for the system to be quite, since she's no longer the villainess. Now the question is: does the system upgrade into a heroine/love-interest system?

joined Jul 21, 2020

Worst thing is the hero always defined as a "nice guy" who gets all the popular hotties just because he's "nice" and that seems to be all the needed reason.

Compare this to the superior yuri harem manga Watamote, in which Tomoko gets the girls because she's a scumbag weirdo.

Are you aware that Watamote is a cgdct comedy for a male audience, created by two experienced shōnen mangaka, serialized in Gangan and sold as manga for boys?
And that nobody in Japan ever called it yuri, or tagged it as a yuri manga?

I sometimes wonder if we're all really on the same page when we think about yuri...

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018
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joined May 21, 2021

What's a yuri harem anyway? Off the top of my head I don't remember that many.

There is one that is quite popular right now: Watanare (aka Yuri the Romcom)

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joined Jan 14, 2020

Earth Girls was kind of yuri-haremy too.

Unnamed
joined Jul 23, 2017

Tachibanakan to lie Angle too, kinda.

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