anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

Not in the least.

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

what are you talking about?

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

Yeah, a little, but my recent reading has consisted of: Saviour, Kill Me Now, I'm More Dangerous Than You, and Fatal Possession.

Basically, not everything is a ridiculously fucked up manhua plot.

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

don't worry, it's just existential dread due to her crush being a girl instead of a guy this whole time :)

The Horror!

Cute chapter, seems like a lot is happening (or maybe not happening) beyond what we're shown.

Inb4 confession in chapter 20.

And in five years, they will become ROOMMATES!

OMG! they're going to become ROOMMATES!

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Yuri can be defined as anything from "a specific genre of fluffy schoolgirl romance / romantic friendship" to "anything about queer ladies", and nobody agrees on the definition, including yuri writers. Especially in Japan, western readers are more content to just wave at everything and call it yuri.

Point being, just cuz someone says it's not yuri doesn't mean it ain't gay.

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

what are you talking about?

Not sure how to explain it. It’s just the vibes I’m getting? “Slight” probably would have been a better word to use rather than “serious” but I feel like editing my comment now would be disingenuous. So the chapters gave me slight psychological horror vibes. I’m Not saying that is the direction the story is going in at all but there is definitely something interesting happening with the tone of these two chapters. From my perspective at least.

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

don't worry, it's just existential dread due to her crush being a girl instead of a guy this whole time :)

Yeah. And also aside from gender, the realization that her crush is the person that sits next to her in class. So she probably feels a bit violated and even betrayed by mitsuki’s blatant disregard for her feelings. But we as the reader can’t blame mitsuki in the same way aya does because we see that her actions come from a place of awkwardness and not from a place of malice. So basically they have to talk about it and clear up this misunderstanding. But the author did a really nice job setting the tone for these chapters in regards to ayas feelings. That probably explains the vibes I’m getting.

last edited at Sep 5, 2022 1:46PM

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

what are you talking about?

Not sure how to explain it. It’s just the vibes I’m getting? “Slight” probably would have been a better word to use rather than “serious” but I feel like editing my comment now would be disingenuous. So the chapters gave me slight psychological horror vibes. I’m Not saying that is the direction the story is going in at all but there is definitely something interesting happening with the tone of these two chapters. From my perspective at least.

I wouldn't say it's horror per se, but these two chapters explore similar concepts in a similar style to psychological horror. Specifically, both are very much focused on the extreme cognitive dissonance that Aya has experienced upon realizing that Mitsuki and her crush are the same person. I am not a fan of horror, but from what I know about the aforementioned subgenre, it often explores the same kind of dissonances, albeit exaggerating and embellishing them with fantastical elements. Also, the fact that we are only given glimpses of what is going on in Aya's head at the moment may be further enhancing the feeling of suspense that you are picking up on.

last edited at Sep 5, 2022 1:45PM

i don't know what ya'll talking about, this def gay yo
AND IM LIVING FOR IT

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

what are you talking about?

Not sure how to explain it. It’s just the vibes I’m getting? “Slight” probably would have been a better word to use rather than “serious” but I feel like editing my comment now would be disingenuous. So the chapters gave me slight psychological horror vibes. I’m Not saying that is the direction the story is going in at all but there is definitely something interesting happening with the tone of these two chapters. From my perspective at least.

I wouldn't say it's horror per se, but these two chapters explore similar concepts in a similar style to psychological horror. Specifically, both are very much focused on the extreme cognitive dissonance that Aya has experienced upon realizing that Mitsuki and her crush are the same person. I am not a fan of horror, but from what I know about the aforementioned subgenre, it often explores the same kind of dissonances, albeit exaggerating and embellishing them with fantastical elements. Also, the fact that we are only given glimpses of what is going on in Aya's head at the moment may be further enhancing the feeling of suspense that you are picking up on.

Yes! Thank you! Id say that explains the general reason for my feelings pretty well!

Lizstar posted:

The first chapters established two well fleshed-out, attractive, adorkable female characters with delightful amorous chemistry engaged in a comedy of romantic errors that we all hoped would result in a yuri love relationship. Now we find it's never going to happen: they will just be buddies who share a hobby. It just takes all the excitement out of the game.

....Wait is this a thing???? Oh no. ):

Not really? It's just speculation. We have running bets on the Discord and I'm happy to report yuri end is in the lead.

Why are you deceiving the poor people... The wager is currently at 3 for yuri (with one of them stipulating it will be an implied future relationship), 3 for not-yuri (friendship or ambiguous). It would be 5 for not-yuri if some people were brave enough to risk suffering should they lose. Good news is that all of us wagered something scanlation-related, so whichever side wins, Dynasty as a whole is benefitting...

Man this comment section is wild lmao

Man this comment section is wild lmao

This comment section leaves no stone unturned. Even the stones with centipedes hiding under them, or the stones labeled "please do not turn," or the stones that suspiciously resemble land mines.

....Wait is this a thing???? Oh no. ):

No, it's not, people are misunderstanding a single line of an interview.

You mean the line where she said this is not yuri, it's 'pure love' between girls? e.e

An 18.5 insert chapter would help quite a bit. Where are the chapter titles from? I don't see chapter numbers nor titles on twitter. In any case if the author left out a relevant event for things to make sense I'm not going to worry about it yet. I've liked Agu / Arai Sumiko's other manga, so I'm not worried it will be too brooding or lose mojo as an episodic series.

Aya's straight-faced emotions are unclear. I could try to guess based on where a story would likely go but there's not much evidence. She definitely isn't blushing as much as when Mitsuki became the "Prince" before. That's kind of nice actually. Things are vague enough for wild mass guessing. My guess is this comic is lesbian but Aya doesn't feel that way at this point, because some of the charm is gone and she will feel ambiguously about the awkward-but-cool Mitsuki in a way she can dismiss. The guess can be disproved in like a week.

anyone else getting serious psychological horror vibes coming off chapters 18 and 19? like... you felt that right??

what are you talking about?

Not sure how to explain it. It’s just the vibes I’m getting? “Slight” probably would have been a better word to use rather than “serious” but I feel like editing my comment now would be disingenuous. So the chapters gave me slight psychological horror vibes. I’m Not saying that is the direction the story is going in at all but there is definitely something interesting happening with the tone of these two chapters. From my perspective at least.

I wouldn't say it's horror per se, but these two chapters explore similar concepts in a similar style to psychological horror. Specifically, both are very much focused on the extreme cognitive dissonance that Aya has experienced upon realizing that Mitsuki and her crush are the same person. I am not a fan of horror, but from what I know about the aforementioned subgenre, it often explores the same kind of dissonances, albeit exaggerating and embellishing them with fantastical elements. Also, the fact that we are only given glimpses of what is going on in Aya's head at the moment may be further enhancing the feeling of suspense that you are picking up on.

Cognitive dissonance! Thank you. I couldn't find the words the past few chapters. I got as far as disconnect due to confusion, and being disconcerted due to reality not matching her thought. So yeah, Aya can't resolve the contradictions among her thoughts and feelings yet - cognitive dissonance. Aya might even be feeling the sort of mourning for her past beliefs, though all I'm sure of is she is getting over stinging shame and embarrassment.

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(Not to derail the discussion, but I'm going to talk about the chapter...)

OMG, and once again, Mitsuki repeats a line spoken earlier by shop "dude". Get a clue Aya-san!

Edit: Ah, I see I missed a lot of discussion around ch18. Plus, the chapter title helps. I guess she got clued.

last edited at Sep 7, 2022 12:43PM

....Wait is this a thing???? Oh no. ):

No, it's not, people are misunderstanding a single line of an interview.

You mean the line where she said this is not yuri, it's 'pure love' between girls? e.e

That is not what she said. I translated her actual quote here:

"I'm not sure whether the manga I'm writing is what people call 'yuri.' It's more like 'love between women'; I feel a fascination toward that theme. There was a time when I myself struggled [she uses "nayamu" here] with my sexuality, so it makes me very happy to see people with different sexualities, backgrounds, lives, and occupations read the stories and characters born from that time [in my life]. Please continue to kindly watch over Mitsuki and Aya."

She did not use the term "pure love." She talks about her struggles with her sexuality when she was younger, and says this story was inspired by that time in her life. I don't know how this telephone game got started where people think she spoiled the ending; I assume it's a misunderstanding of what "yuri" means in Japan. It is not a synonym for "wlw"; at least for some people, it's a specific genre with specific tropes that Arai Sumiko does not necessarily want to identify herself with.

Here's the deal: literally everything Arai has ever written has contained yuri. All of the single images she's posted on Twitter are yuri, including the forerunner to this very comic. Her Twitter profile says she likes "love between girls," and the term she uses, 恋愛, specifically has romantic connotations. This comic itself has blatantly foreshadowed a romantic ending, with the character bios explicitly saying Aya isn't interested in boys. Somehow a meme to the contrary has spread based on a mistranslation or misunderstanding of a single line from an interview and it pisses me off lol.

Edit: The particular irony here is one of the connotations "yuri" has in Japan is actually that it's just "pure love"! Read this page for more information on the connotations the term has in Japan that it usually doesn't in the Western fanbase.

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In response to Cogito ^^

Great summation! It's been explained before, but people don't read the whole thread. They come in every once in a while, and it's so much harder to correct a misunderstanding once it exists. I doubt it will end until they kiss or something.

it's insane to me how blow out of proportion that interview got and how so many people just assumed the worst.

but it's impossible to think that this would be anything else but romantic love if you've ever looked at any of their other work. I genuinely do not understand how this happened and had so many people buy into this being anything other than a romance.

Pyrrho posted:

An 18.5 insert chapter would help quite a bit. Where are the chapter titles from? I don't see chapter numbers nor titles on twitter.

The titles are the text of the tweet. They're not on the pages.

I could translate the chapter titles Amarrez didn't translate, but I would be able to update them only on Dynasty.

Edit: done.

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I could translate the chapter titles Amarrez didn't translate, but I would be able to update them only on Dynasty.

Edit: done.

Thanks Kirin!

I could translate the chapter titles Amarrez didn't translate, but I would be able to update them only on Dynasty.

Edit: done.

Ah, these are great. Especially 12. :D

Read this page for more information on the connotations the term "yuri" has in Japan that it usually doesn't in the Western fanbase.

Um.

Read this page for more information on the connotations the term "yuri" has in Japan that it usually doesn't in the Western fanbase.

Um.

You see my point? If anything, by saying she's not sure if it's "yuri," Arai is (most likely) saying it won't end in ambiguity or subtext.