one day Orihi Chihiro will write the greatest t4c yuri of all time and save the world

I'm surprised nobody is discussing the most shocking reveal of the chapter: that Fumi is into guys

Cute!!!

This is not at all how I expected this arc to go, but I've really enjoyed it. I agree with @C6H12O6; Katou-sensei is my favorite character now too, as an extremely flawed but nonetheless redeemable person, who just barely managed to avoid crossing the line in an irrevocable way. I found it very interesting how her relationship with Nakaoka, which began as a way for her to feel better about herself by wielding power over him, ended up encouraging her to genuinely start the road to self-improvement. I wonder if this'll be how the arc ends -- I think it's a fine ending if it is, though there are still obviously some loose ends to tie up.

that end page in chapter 1, when she is shaved bald, hits really hard. the manga present it comically which i think she does because it happen a long time ago, but it is a part of life i think we all relate to as one of the really shit part of adolescence.. never being allowed to have autonomy to shed even a tiny part of masculinity

This part stood out to me too; you could tell this was an intensely traumatic experience for her, and covering it with layers of comedy/irony is her way of coping with that trauma. For an overall lighthearted manga it was a pretty striking moment.

Anyway, Yoripi is adorable and I love her. Maybe one day she can meet Camilla again...

Most people will not see “dressing as a girl” and think of lesbians, that has never been the caricature for lesbians, most are cis, by default they dress as girls (and the predatory lesbian always use a cis woman sometimes masculine but this depend of the country) that has always be the caricature for trans women, the “dress as a girl to pick up girls” also fit the stereotype that trans women dress like that to deceive. If this fit a phobic, it is transphobic not lesbophobic. (This is not me saying the work is this or that btw)

You're not understanding my point. I'll try to be clearer. The character, Eru, is (or at least self-defines as) a boy who dresses as a girl to pick up girls. "Guy who pretends to be a woman to pick up women" is , indeed, a common transmisogynistic stereotype. However, Eru's crossdressing is not presented in a negative light; if anything, the manga is suggesting that Eru dressing up as a girl to pick up girls is basically fine, and the character is largely framed as sympathetic. Hence, it's not transphobic, precisely because Eru is portrayed positively.

Now, you could argue it's lesbophobic, because the manga is sort of tacitly endorsing a boy pretending to be a girl to pick up girls. However, I think that's pretty ambiguous. If I were to really offer an interpretation, it's notable that Eru has a lot more success getting girls' numbers as a girl than as a guy; normally it would be the reverse, since of course there's far more straight women than lesbians. It seems reasonable to conclude that the real reason is that Eru feels much more comfortable/self-confident as a girl, and it's that charisma that is endearing them to women. Honestly, I suspect the vast majority of girls who gave Eru their number aren't even looking for a date, just a friend, hence why Eru also states they have yet to actually go on a date.

In conclusion, Eru's character is pretty weird and ambiguous and it's unclear what, if any, larger upshot there is to all this. I think it's fair to criticize the manga for not having a clear vision as to what it's doing with its characters. I don't think it's fair to call the manga nothing but nonstop transphobia.

What I mean with “most readers are not trans women and do not care about transmisogyny” is not that one needs to care about transphobic people to enjoy something, if it was for that no one would be able to like anything. The point is that for some this is a reminder on how most view trans fems (most will laugh and don’t see anything bad, even people who are not transphobic) that is why I think SillieHonka comment was like that (though as I said in my response to Zecs, I don’t see she calling anyone transphobic) she was hurt made a angry comment and that’s it. For very specific and personal reasons I hate generalization and “if the shoe fits” but I don’t see any other reason why everyone replied instead of ignoring her. I did that but now I am also here so I am not one to talk lol

Basically what I mean is, everyone will have very different opinions, having arguments is normal, but 4 or 5 posters keep responding to her saying the same thing and like, I think is better to not do that and keep talking about the manga

I'm not going to speculate as to SillieHonoka's motives. I don't think she's a bad person or anything. I just strongly disagree with both her position and the way she argued her position. I think it's fine to express strong disagreements and that is, in fact, what discussion forums are for. I posted because I hadn't seen anyone else make the points I wanted to make.

Kitano herself says that Eru is cheating on the girls, Eru accepts it with a “So what about it?” attitude but then Girly immediately tells Eru that he's awesome and Kitano it the one who is painted as closed-minded (and that's exactly why she panics and wants to use the makeup).

I agree but the upshot of this, if anything, is the manga is asserting that dressing as a girl to pick up girls is totally cool and fine. Which I guess you could argue is lesbophobic (though it's not clear the girls Eru is picking up are lesbians), but it's not transmisogynistic.

I don't even agree or share SillieHonka opinion but even if you analyze the scenes in their own context, there is a larger social context that informs how these jokes are taken (I assume this is what SillieHonka means) and we all know that trans women are not separated from these stereotypes in the minds of the majority (this apply to the balls joke and the dressing as a girl to pick up girls part) these things don't exist in a bubble, most readers are not trans women or people who care about transmisogyny, most probably don’t even know its a word

Like I said, the manga is far from perfect. That one panel SillieHonoka keeps pointing to is certainly in bad taste, if nothing else, and the manga does the typical cagey thing of not clarifying whether Kitano is actually transfem (even though she clearly is). And there are definitely aspects of Eru's character to criticize, as I indicated previously. But castigating the manga as a whole as being nothing but transphobic is unfair, and acting like everyone who enjoys the manga is transphobic is even more unfair. I don't care about some hypothetical transphobic audience member who reads the manga. Such hypothetical readers are totally irrelevant to me and my enjoyment of the manga.

All this appeal to nuance and people are still dodging the whole balls thing. Why am I seeing a panel of panties with balls stretched out over the sides like its the funniest thing ever. Just straight dysphoria bait. It'd be one thing if in context it was a doll being like fuck I popped my tuck (I have all the fire for cis queens that are too on their "dick and balls in dresses/skirts/panties or "meaty tuck" jokes, its pretty obvious it comes from a place of transphobia), but the context is transvestigation, the entitlement to knowing what is inside that article of clothing and the appeal to one bodily standard for what is worn.

SillieHonoka, I think the issue with your interpretations is that you remove individual scenes or aspects of the manga from their full context and present them as fully independent. The context of this (yes, pretty dumb) panel is that both Eru and Girly are flawed, imperfect characters. You can tell because immediately afterward Kitano thinks "now it feels like a boy's school." The absurdity of what Eru and Girly are doing is "the joke." (Edit: And I think it's likely the girl they're talking about isn't the cis girl anyway, which will further demonstrate how they're being dumbasses.)

Is it executed perfectly? Of course not, it's far from a perfect manga. But presenting it as if the joke is targeting trans women is unfair, just like it's unfair for you to argue Eru is a translesbophobic caricature when the character is clearly framed as flawed but sympathetic. And it's extra unfair for you to act like everyone who disagrees with you must not care about transmisogyny.

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The only really spicy stuff in months is 1x1/2 (mother/daughter) and Abnormally Cute Sister (full siscon), plus the Yuri Natsu extras for a series that mostly ended years ago.

I wouldn't even call Abnormally Cute Sister that spicy tbh, since it's played purely for comedy and the endgame ship is clearly the non-incest one.

I missed a lot of discourse here, but my position is: Eru isn't an example of a predatory transbian archetype because the character is clearly framed as sympathetic, even in the previous chapter and certainly in this one. Even if the sympathetic backstory itself is kinda nonsensical lol.

She's evil and that's why she's hot

So Takahashi, a vermian abomination capable of overpowering all but the most unnatural foes, is carrying around a comedically shaped wooden hammer in her schoolgirl uniform?

Sure, why not?

A girl's gotta be prepared!

Does nobody notice all the people going missing at this amusement park????

What a swerve

In an earlier chapter, Itou overhears two classmates talking about a rumor that people go missing inside Edenland.

Why did we have to go the serious hypnosis route and not the funny route?

because it's really hot

I really liked this chapter. So much detail was put into the old apartment that made it clear how much Shiori loved An, and how happy of a life they held together. It makes Shiori's death hit home much harder.

This manga is very dumb, but it's also very funny and I always have a great time reading it. Thanks a lot for the translation!

The manga has consistently focused on the female characters anyway. In the love triangle arc for example, the relationship between the two girls got more attention than either girl's romance with the dude. And in this arc, the teacher is the (villainous) protagonist.

Just link me the picture, thanks. I prefer having my own judgement.

Sure, here it is. NSFW, obviously.

Oh dang, well now I feel embarrassed- I do apologize, I was misinformed, though I still do think it’s kinda negligent to just like every fan art you see, I was wrong with the fact that he drew the images, I shouldn’t have believed what the majority had said without going straight to the source. Though in the case of what I said, if it had been true, then I still would stand on that point, but in this case the stuff that I had said was wrong-

Again oopsies I’ll do better in the future :P

Online accusations are frequently exaggerated, especially on social media, which is why it's important to be skeptical when you hear them. Even without malicious intent, they often become a game of telephone where someone says something, which someone else then repeats with modifications, and so on and so forth. I've seen it happen many times. So yeah, I definitely recommend getting in the habit of looking for the source yourself whenever possible.

Again idk, it just seemed really offensive when he did ts, if he said they were bi then I wouldn’t care as much, but when a character is so heavily lesbian coded then on the het fanart HE MADE comes out and people puts offensive tagging and he doesn’t do stuff to somehow stop people from tagging his work then yeah, I do think he deserves some backlash.

I don't care that people are upset, but what I do care about is how consistently people are spreading misinformation about exactly what happened. I assume this is done unintentionally, but it still makes it extremely difficult to have a real discussion.

To be clear: HEY has never drawn any het art of Kamiina Botan characters, ever. What happened was that HEY was "liking" literally every single Kamiina Botan art posted on Pixiv, and one of them was art -- that, to repeat myself, he did not himself make -- of Botan fucking men. (Later it seems some users added rape/correction tags to this art, but when I originally saw it, it had no such tags. HEY himself of course has no ability to control what tags people put on random fanart he did not make.) The only reason anyone noticed this is because likes are public on Pixiv. After a couple days of discourse, HEY quietly un-liked the art, and to my knowledge has not "liked" any het art of Kamiina Botan characters since.

So if you want to be upset about that, that's of course your right. But to be clear, what you're upset about is, "HEY clicked like on a single piece of het fanart, just like he clicked like on every other Kamiina Botan fanart." So condemn him for that, if you want, but please don't spread misinformation.

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When a character has a canon sexuality (like being a lesbian)

None of the Kamiina Botan characters have canon sexualities.

Ik when I replied to the other person I was more over attacking their main point of blah blah “I wouldn’t care if they made het art of a Yuri story” and how it’s still wrong for someone to do that if we already know their cannon sexuality, fictional or not because of the stigma around lesbians, wasn’t saying that any of the girls already had their cannon sexuality’s out.

What they said is they wouldn't care if an author had a folder with het fanart of yuri characters. They said nothing about those characters' canon sexualities. Tbh I also think this is somewhat of a distraction because, if HEY tomorrow said "By the way, Botan is bi," I highly doubt that would change anyone's mind.

Apparently, no one mentions that one of those hetero fanarts was tagged "fixing a lesbian" (the title was shorter).
I honestly thought we'd all unite to tell that author to go to hell, but oh well, just imagine if your favorite yuri author had a folder of hetero fanart featuring the main characters.
In my case, I don't plan on supporting that guy!

tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if the author is into yuri fixing or lgd stuff. just looking at his old work gives me "I can't trust this guy" vibes.

Okay correct me if I’m wrong ofc, when I looked at it this seemed to be the case but I could always be misunderstanding something, BUT yeah the author made het art of the LESBIAN character, BUTTTT he want the one to tag it “fixing lesbian” (or whatever) it was a fan. Still, he could have locked the tags but decided (or if we wanna give the benefit of doubt then we can say he forgot oe didn’t know how to) lock it so people couldn’t add tags/titles

The author has made no het art of any Kamiina Botan character. He clicked "like" on such fanart made by somebody else once (because he clicked like on every Kamiina Botan fan art).

Apparently, no one mentions that one of those hetero fanarts was tagged "fixing a lesbian" (the title was shorter).

Which one pic is that, if I may ask?

Also pixiv pics can be tagged by viewers, if the artist configured it as such. So there is a possibility of viewer adding that offensive tag instead of artist. If there's a + sign at the end of the list of tags, and that specific tag doesn't have a lock next to it, the tag is viewer-added.

The tag was definitely added by a viewer, I saw it get added and removed multiple times over the course of this drama. A truly massive amount of information was spread -- and continues to be spread -- about what happened, because people on the internet love repeating claims they've heard without evidence.

Edit:

When a character has a canon sexuality (like being a lesbian)

None of the Kamiina Botan characters have canon sexualities.

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Makes sense if this is simply the plan being executed, though that would make the new monster the equivalent of a baby who had no say in how they were born.

This turned out to be quite the prescient comment!

I'm quite enjoying this manga; despite the inherent silliness of the premise, the characters' emotions feel very real. II appreciate that Kyouko both found out the truth about Yuuri relatively quickly and that it's taking time for her to come to terms with it; I'm looking forward to seeing how their relationship develops from here!

I'm honestly pretty surprised that the ending of Chapter 13 that introduced this arc was a fake-out of sorts; while Katou's behavior is extremely inappropriate, she does not currently seem to intend to enter a romantic/sexual relationship with Nakaoka, and is instead "merely" encouraging his crush in order to feel better about herself. I'm curious to see whether her arc will involve her pulling herself back from the edge, or becoming fully irredeemable scum.