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joined Oct 5, 2016

I don't know who said this quote but I think this sums up perfectly about Korean society. " Being a Korean idol means you have to face the majority society who thinks “we like you being gay with your band mates but we despise the idea of you being an actual gay person.” Also, Moonbuyl's new song Love and Hate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLaZyyquAxI This song seems to be about Solar.

Yeah there's this really perverse social pressure thing going on with them. They're a-ok to publicly flirt and grab each other's ass up on stage, because then it's just fanservice between two hot chicks, nothing gay there! But then you see them in interviews or behind-the-scenes stuff and they're just a couple of dorky kids who seem really conflicted about staying closeted and afraid to admit there's anything between them at all. The songs written by Moonbyul or Solar always seem like they kind of reflect that fear as well, dealing with ideas like self-loathing and not being able to admit their feelings. It's never explicitly gay, there's always a layer of deniability there, but I don't think it's a surprise that a ton of gay Koreans seem to have picked up on it. Like there's a video out there somewhere of fans coming out of a Mamamoo solo concert and it is super noticeable how many of them are M/M or F/F couples walking out.

Like, if they were more relaxed about playing up the sexy lesbians thing offstage, I would actually believe them less. Instead you get all these moments of them happily flirting and then suddenly they look at the camera and pull back, like they're afraid they were getting too real. I just feel bad for them, just like that old Jodie Foster interview it's sort of funny but it's also really sad.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Finally someone understands how gay of a ship moonsun is. So thank you SadDoctor. I have literally seen all their videos twice and analysed their body language and I can say that Moonbuyl is 100% gay for solar. This doesn’t seem like their typical Korean Idol Ships where it’s for marketing purpose. I am convinced that Moonbyl is at least bisexual or just straight up gay but that would never happen in Korea. No star in Korea would risk their career and come out of the closet.

Yeah just because they act flirty on stage doesn't really mean anything, lots of kpop stars (even male pop stars) will toss out some same-sex fanservice on stage. But the way they act together when they're off-stage totally reminds me of like some American closeted celebrities in the '90s, where they're always going on couples vacations with their female "friend" and you wonder in hindsight how it was ever a secret to anyone. And Solar is like, the world's least convincing heterosexual, on We Got Married it was downright cringeworthy how uncomfortable she was. Pretty much any time the two of them get questions about romance or what kind of boys they like or any of that it's always just hooorribly awkward, it makes me feel bad for them.

With the on-stage fanservice you'd think they'd have a mostly male fanbase, but there's been some disparaging comments about how the Mamamoo fanbase is, to paraphrase, basically a bunch of dykes. Which I think is pretty awesome, their fans know what's up even if the girls can't publicly admit it.

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joined Oct 5, 2016

I was thinking more like "Fake and gay" but that works too.

There is nothing fake about the MoonSun as a ship. There was a poll with 1000 gay Korean people and MoonSun ship was voted number 1. If they announced they got married no one would be surprised. Cough cough ~ except maybe some Koreans that hate homosexuality.

They have their own ship twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23moonsun

You know it’s real when you have a ship twitter. They are definition of realationship goals.

Holy cow, yeah, these two are gay as fuck.

I've seen weddings with less spark than these two have every time they're in a room together.

(I seriously spent like all day today watching videos of those two, they are adorable together)

joined Oct 5, 2016

Even now, I'd strongly say that season 1 was definitely not bait. Kumiko wasn't just flirty with Reina, she was hella gay all the time - she even gets roped back into band because she can't say no to a pretty girl. And so much of the themes of season 1 overlap with Kumiko becoming OK with not fitting in to the group - both as a musician who's ambitious, and as a gay girl surrounded by straight kids. And anytime there's a shot checking out the bodies of Reina or Kumiko, the editing specifically puts it in context of one of the girls looking - and being attracted to - the other one. The only reason Shuuichi exists in season 1 is to demonstrate Kumiko's interest in Reina, he keeps trying to lowkey ask her out, and Kumiko keeps turning him down and then doing those things with Reina instead. Like, I don't give a crap what's in the novels, season 1 is super gay.

In season 2 it's obvious the studio decided to go in a different direction after episode 201 (iirc they had some staff changes), and after that, yeah, it's straight girls with yuri baiting. Among other changes, the sense of physical awareness and attraction that was constant in season 1 between K & R disappears in season 2. I didn't much like season 2. But that still doesn't take away from what was in season 1, which works pretty darn well as its own self-contained story.

joined Oct 5, 2016

I don't really see the sexism in Michael's position. You could argue he's being somewhat selfish, but so is everyone else in this situation. He wants to have a child who will consider him its father and that's a perfectly understandable desire for him to have. In fact it's the exact same desire that the protagonists have. And here's his partner agreeing to help create a child, but a child who will never call him father.

Imagine if a gay couple approached the protagonists with a similar offer: have their child and be somewhat involved as aunts. Disregarding the difference in what their help would entail (pregnancy being more intensive than sperm donation), would you be angry at them for turning their friends down? Would you be angry with their desire to be mothers instead of aunts?

Especially when the couple wants your boyfriend to be the kid's "uncle." Like maybe if all they wanted was sperm it would be one thing, but they're asking him to be a part of their kid's life, that's really not very cool for the boyfriend who wants to be a father himself - and yet for that the potential sperm donor says he's not ready.

Like, there's no simple and clean logical solution to that, but I can totally understand why the BF wouldn't be OK with it.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

The way the series starts off by just kinda throwing you smack into the middle of a bunch of characters is kinda amateurish, it takes like a whole chapter just to figure out who the main characters are. And a lot of the panel layouts are kinda muddled, it can make conversations and actions hard to follow.

But the character designs seem really charming and varied, I'm digging the delinquent vibe, and the chapters seem to be steadily improving, so interested to see where this one goes.

SadDoctor
Beloved. discussion 01 Jun 19:49
joined Oct 5, 2016

It's interesting how Wei Wei and Dr. Whatshisface are both not only in the closet, they're apparently using each other as mutual beards. The younger generation Ding Yi, on the other hand, is way more like "fuck staying in the closet, we shouldn't be ashamed of anything." That's theoretically what Wei Wei wants, just not really with Ding Yi. Or maybe yes with Ding Yi, but she's not overcome with self-hatred to admit it unless she's really pushed.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

I'd be more intrigued if the main character did ANY work at all to get this relationship started.

Straight or queer, I hate stories that are, "I moped about a girl and then she threw herself at me."

SadDoctor
PAX-1 discussion 27 May 01:13
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That dialogue just didn't feel like something any human being would say.

I like the idea well enough, but it was trying too hard by half.

SadDoctor
Anime season 29 Apr 02:29
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I'm Watching "Yaoi! on ice" tomorrow. It look's like fun. Also it'll be my first Yaoi anime.

It's great, but it's really not yaoi. It's just gay.

SadDoctor
Anime season 22 Apr 14:10
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Tsuki ga Kirei is completely het, but it's a really charming coming of age middle school romance. Most middle school / high school romances present a fantasy of hyper-competent, independent, sexual teenagers, which of course teenagers enjoy viewing themselves as. Tsuki ga Kirei is way more of a realistic show - the kids are totally into each other but are also nervous as hell around each other and don't know what to say, their parents are around and engaged in their kids' lives, which of course to a couple of middle schoolers is just the most embarrassing thing possible. 3 episodes in and so far it's been really adorable.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

I really appreciate the actually adult behavior of these characters.

Main girl is like, "Yeah, I dunno what's going on, but right now I'm focused on my career so I'm going to delay making a decision."

And then the big deadline is past, so she's just like fuck it, wanna go out sometime?

Even the delay of romance is made because of an understandable reason, instead of just perpetual cold feet or stupid misunderstandings.

SadDoctor
Beloved. discussion 04 Apr 19:22
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Everyone's talking about all these relationship probs that she's about to break off, but did anyone pay attention to Doc getting excepted for somethin abroad??

Yeah she has had her sabbatical abroad approved, but she didn't seem to happy about it which makes me think she applied for it before meeting Ding. A sabbatical is a rest from work, or a break, often lasting from two months to a year in case you didn't know.

It actually gets brought up that she applied back in Ch9 when Ding Yi gets to meet Wei Wei's friends. Going abroad has been a long time dream of Wei Wei's though, she wanted to do the same thing earlier in her life by running away with Dr. Liu.

I wonder if that's the closest to a happy end that we'll get here, Wei Wei and Ding Yi moving to Boston together?

I mean, plainly Wei Wei wants to get out of the country to somewhere that she can come out of the closet, but fleeing to a foreign country with your secret underage lover is generally not a story that works out well :)

SadDoctor
Beloved. discussion 02 Apr 22:14
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That scene with her tying her shoelaces felt downright uncomfortable. Wei Wei isn't a bad person, and she isn't some sort of sexual predator or anything. But dis girl is toooo yooooung for her, and she knows it. This isn't a love affair, it's Wei Wei having an early midlife crisis and shacking up with someone that she doesn't really have any true connection with. She's not in love, she's reliving past love.

For that matter it's not even clear that the girl is actually in love with her either, it seems like she's at least partly seeking an escape from her home, although we don't know why yet.

Like, this story is about a relationship between two people, but so far I don't think it's really correct to call it a romance. We're not really supposed to be cheering on this relationship, even though we can root for both of the characters the story keeps pointing out all the ways in which this is totally not a healthy relationship.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

Chapter 16 (eng)

This actually feels a bit like a turning point in the story. This is the first time anyone's actually busted out the "L" word. Until now both of the girls have been operating under the core assumption that of course they're straight. It's why our protagonist didn't view the stuff she was doing with her friend as cheating, because you can't cheat with another girl.

Someone actually introducing the idea that the reason she had a boyfriend was to hide who she really was - a lesbian - is a subtle but massive change to her world view.

SadDoctor
Anime season 13 Mar 02:48
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What's the point of marking spoilers when you're showing spoilers out in the open as images?

Uh, I can choose to not click on spoilery images. Which those images were identified as.

I can't magically prevent myself from not reading uncovered text spoilers.

joined Oct 5, 2016

there are a lot more translated chapters available, why are they not on dynasty yet? just havent bothered, or are they not allowed from certain providers, or ?

Where can I find those chapters?

I found this, which has links to (fairly rough) translations up to chapter 26.

http://pastebin.com/SGQYWTJP

SadDoctor
Asian yuri movies? 11 Feb 18:43
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Hormones (Thai drama): season 1, season 2, season 3. The yuri couple is Dao and Koi, here's some of their scenes, there are spoilers in the video, obviously. If you don't want to go through all of the show here are all Dao x Koi scenes.

I ended up staying up 'til like 4 AM watching Dao x Koi scenes. That was excellent. Especially her coming out scene to her dad was really affecting.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

Kishi Torajirou's stuff is always such a delicate balance between fanservice and genuine, subtle emotional writing, I'm really not sure I'd trust any anime studio to get it right. It's pretty easy to imagine it adapted into just a pure fanservice show.

SadDoctor
Asian yuri movies? 10 Feb 17:38
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Yeah, it was just one of those shows where even though I liked it it felt like it could've been so much better with just some really basic fixes.

SadDoctor
Asian yuri movies? 10 Feb 04:49
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Transit Girls

It's like an abridged version of Citrus, it's not a movie but it will only take about 2.5 hours to watch the whole thing.

I watched this today!

It's... Odd. There were parts I really liked, I liked the main girl a lot and how the show made it pretty obvious from the beginning she was in the closet.

But goddamn the kisses were soooo stiff and the taller actress just looked uncomfortable with it, it had all the sensuality of someone getting forced to kiss their weird-smelling grandma goodbye.

Also some of the use of music was downright criminally bad.

Now I'm feeling like I'm just ragging on it, but I really did like it overall!

SadDoctor
Asian yuri movies? 08 Feb 14:07
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A Girl at my Door isn't exactly yuri, but it's a great movie about homophobia and other social issues in South Korea. It's very good, but intense. Definitely stay away if you're in the mood for romantic fluff :)

SadDoctor
Anime season 05 Feb 03:35
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I mean, honestly I have very little hope that anything like this would develop

But I would be really tickled if it turns out her "it's just an adolescence thing" explanation was only an excuse, and actually there really is more there. She certainly doesn't seem to have any interest in sensei, she wasn't covering up some sort of interest in biting him, she really seemed uninterested.

SadDoctor
Anime season 04 Feb 22:34
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As much as I loath harem setups, I think Demi-chan does a pretty good job keeping a distinction between Iron Man's flirting with the other teacher versus the simple crushes that some of the girls have on him.

And even though vampire said right in the beginning that oh, liking ice maiden is only an adolescent thing, she still sure seems into her. Especially with how she's talked about biting a neck as being a sort of sexual thing and how she really wants to bite ice maiden...

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

I think the thing that really differentiates this from other "Oh my crush is hopeless, darn" stories is that in most of those the character's growth is just sort of a generic adolescent change towards adulthood, there's not really a change in the direction of their life. It also usually includes the assumption that same-sex crushes are just a part of adolescence that will be grown out of.

Whereas with this story, the main girl's need for intimacy and love is something that she doesn't even realize she's missing. She would've stayed with a dude that was only using her for sex and thinking that it made her cool, not even really understanding why she felt so miserable. And even though her crush isn't going to happen, it's not "fake", nor just a stage she's going through, it doesn't work out because her friend is straight but the main girl's feelings and her attraction is real.

If anything, that the friend doesn't respond to her "I like you" at the end moves it beyond just schoolgirl yuri, because the main girl is trying to move things beyond just a sort of romantic friendship. So it's a self-discovery for her, that she likes girls as well as boys, or maybe more than boys.