may have been distraught with the rise of incest stories in yuri
"I'm distraught with the rise of lesbian stories in manga" sounds pretty awful, doesn't it? Like, really, really awful?
I'm sure the rise in the amount of debates about acceptance of homosexuality over the past decades was extremely uncomfortable to those who took it for granted that being gay was wrong, but that doesn't mean that conversation shouldn't have been happening.
It does, and I see that you're very passionate about equality through your post. It might be a reason, I'm not saying that it's the definitive answer. I've checked back through the series in dynasty and it seems like the general amount had been the same. So it might be people's perceptions or the appearance of different types of users in the site that have a different mindset to the majority of the older ones. We are having a conversation : ) Don't worry I want to understand where you're coming from, since it does stem from one sort of oppression.
If your argument isn't that incest is wrong but that change is hard for people to accept - what entitles gay people to getting equality but not those in incestous relationships, or getting it first? If it's too hard to get equality for both, I suppose we could be fighting to make incest equal first while talking about how gross and disgusting and unnatural being gay is.
I mean, if you want to? If that does happen though, and someone is gay and incestuous, then things will still be a little hard on them due to the latter part of your statement.
I mean, I'm gay and not incestous, but it frustrates me to no end to see the formerly oppressed** being ready to hypocritically throw another minority under the bus because it's more convenient for themselves, while using the exact same arguments that were used to shun gay people. "Equality for me, not for thee" is no equality at all. That's just privilege. I thought the fight for gay rights was a fight against oppression, but sometimes it seems like it was merely a fight to join the oppressors.
**"Formerly oppressed" in the sense that we are no longer imprisoned for homosexuality, can marry or at least form civil unions in many countries, etcetera. I know the fight against homophobic discrimination is far from over despite gradual mainstream acceptance.
(I too, am gay and not incestuous) I didn't say that people shouldn't fight for it. I meant to say that if it will be fought for, it will have to change a different part of people's pre-concieved perceptions. The LGBTQ+ had the rights stated above because they defined the terms they wanted as so. If they had not, people would have had a vocal minority no one knows how to appease, and a minority who doesn't communicate what they need. (as is with relationships, when one doesn't say what they want but acts demanding, the other is likely to be left confused unless they had a clue beforehand). The LGBT+ also had no long lasting effects that could directly hurt other people, but incest between heterosexual people (if the as of now "hypothetical" campaign includes heterosexual people as well), then there may be reprecussions if they do have a child together as the child would have a high risk of genetic disorders and would reduce human diversity by 1 (well, there are already a lot anyways). If the do choose to adopt or have one through IVF, then it would be a different matter of biology.
I don't mean to oppress them, it might appear that way, but I'm trying to map out what is most likely to happen with what had already happened before. If I may ask, how would the LGBTQ+ community make it so that incestuous people are not oppressed? I am genuinely asking because I haven't really met any of them in person (or at least, one that had opened up to me) and could not speak for them myself.
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