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Is that the same shrine where Reina takes Kumiko during the festival and they play the trumpet/euphonium duet of "The Place Where We Found Love"? The view looks very familiar. (And, yes... I use that song as my alarm music on my phone still to this day. It's a fantastic piece of music and that scene burnt it into my brain.)

No. Euphonium takes place on the other side of the Japan from this manga. It's in Kyoto, this is in Sendai.

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I doubt there are many people in the forum like you who can accurately find the points in common between Die Dreigroschenoper and this manga. Color me impressed. I would quote here the "a person of culture as well" meme if it hadn't been overused to death, haha.

I think your interpretation is spot on. It's kind of tragic how Mitsuki is persuaded she has maneuvered things so well and scored some good points with Ayaka by taking her home for dinner and a sleepover, when in fact that night she has mocked and insulted Ayaka without even realizing it -- and even made her decide to cut all ties with Mitsuki. Thank goodness for a happy ending (to some extent, at least) where Mitsuki starts to savvy the errors in her judgment and the problems with her prejudices.

I'm probably just the only one willing to make an ass of myself by making such a comparison, haha. It's a bit of a stretch, but I've been listening to Tom Waits recently so his version of "What Keeps Mankind Alive" was on my mind.
And yeah, I think it's kind of funny how little Mitsuki understands Ayaka. The ending is so abrupt that it's hard to tell if she ever does understand her, but I think the combination of seeing Ayaka's room, being called out, and also learning how shy Ayaka really is maybe starts to get through to her.

I must also say that I don't see how "Mitsuki isn't interested in guys because she doesn't have to be." It's pretty clear that Mitsuki isn't interested in guys because she's interested in girls, which is not usually an indicator of unacknowledged privilege.

Based on how angry she gets about it, and that she says she's jealous Mitsuki can say she's not interested in men, I think Ayaka's probably a lesbian as well. Ayaka says that even if she's not interested in a guy, if he has something she needs, she forces herself to pretend to be interested. To her, not being interested in men is a luxury she cannot afford. It's not that being a lesbian is a privilege, it's that being able to follow your heart is a privilege.

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Pretender discussion 01 Sep 00:20
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Thanks, this really helped me understand what was going on in much greater depth. It's really telling that Mitsuki's opinion of Ayaka doesn't seem to change once she has context for what she's been doing. The last line really stings with that in mind.

It's interesting re-reading the story with that context. Ayaka seems to see their connection as something like partners in crime or co-conspirators, and she clearly has some standards for how she governs her pursuing of men. Mitsuki, meanwhile, doesn't understand this, and sees her as a friend with an attitude towards dating that she disdains. When Mitsuki disguises her affections by acting like someone who just thinks flirting is fun, it's like you say--it hurts Ayaka, and she pulls back. It makes me wonder how things would have gone if Mitsuki was honest that she did it because she wanted to spend time with Ayaka. I feel like that would have really changed the context of Ayaka learning definitively that she isn't serious about pursuing guys--like, she knows they're not in the same situation, but maybe they can be friends in different places supporting each other. It's cool to see someone being dishonest about their feelings punished this harshly in a manga.

One part I still don't get though is what happened in that whole scene after the big reveal. What does she mean by, "so that's the kind of girl you are"? Is Ayaka blushing because Mitsuki is turning her on, or is she ashamed because she's being pushed to present information she doesn't want to in an effort to protect herself? Is this kind of a complex cute moment between them, or like hella non-con?

I do think Mitsuki's opinion changes somewhat by the end. Look at how she's saying it, with a big grin on her face. Even if she still thinks that, the emotions surrounding it are different. Some of her disgust towards Ayaka was probably jealousy: she didn't like seeing the woman she loved chasing after men. Now that she knows that Ayaka wasn't having sex with them (and now that she herself has taken Ayaka's virginity), she's no longer jealous. And maybe it's also her way of saying that she understands what kind of person Ayaka is better, and realizes that's part of what she loves about her? It is the first time she's actually said it out loud to Ayaka, instead of just thinking it to herself. It's a very strange thing to say to the person you love after your first time having sex. But it does feel like a very fitting ending to this story.

I also wonder about that part where Mitsuki lies to her. I do think Ayaka is upset mainly for the reason I said before, but maybe this is also mean to indicate that, consciously or not, Ayaka is aware of Mituski's feelings and returns them? There was a lot of emphasis on the way Ayaka keeps touching Mitsuki leading up to this. So perhaps she wanted to hear Mitsuki say it, and was disappointed when she lied instead.

As for whether it's rape, I personally think that the art and story indicate that Ayaka is into it? My interpretation is that she's blushing partly out of shock, partly because she's embarrassed at revealing that she's actually a virgin despite her posturing, and partly because she's turned on. I think especially her expression on page 245 indicates that she's into it by that point. But the whole situation definitely feels more than a little rapey. And the part where they actually get undressed and have sex is left to the imagination, so maybe it's meant to be ambiguous?

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Pretender discussion 31 Aug 22:26
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Reading this story made me think of that song "What Keeps Mankind Alive" (and I guess the Threepenny Opera in general): when you're well-fed and comfortable, you can afford qualms and morals that the starving and destitute cannot.

Ayaka is defined by her hard work in her attempts to better her material position. She's applying the same effort to finding a wealthy man as she is in school and in her actual job (her self-help dating guides are right next to her pile of economics textbooks). To her, the three things are all part of her goal of leaving poverty behind. But Mitsuki sees Ayaka openly using sex appeal for material gain, a bourgeois taboo, and judges her very harshly. She never even considers that Ayaka's situation might be different than her own, and certainly never tries to put herself in Ayaka's position and see things from her point of view.

Also, I think it's interesting that Ayaka decides to cut Mitsuki out of her life after spending the night at her house. She meets Mitsuki's doting mother, eats Mitsuki's delicious food, and sees Mitsuki's spacious and comfortable home, all the while comparing Mitsuki's good fortune to her own poverty. And then at the end of the night, Mitsuki rubs it in. Mitsuki isn't interested in guys because she doesn't have to be. She says she's just going along with Ayaka for fun. For Ayaka, it's not fun, it's work. Ayaka can't afford to be uninterested in guys. Going to these parties and forcing herself to get along with assholes so that she can find a rich man to marry is like a second job for her. I think Mitsuki's response here insults her, and perhaps this is when she realizes or begins to suspect Mitsuki's contempt for her.

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Oh. I totally got the cheating problem and Yuna’s being insecure with her body, I just don’t understand the last panel. I probably don’t remember that she’s been looking forward to work with Reina at home.

In the past few chapters she's sort of latched onto this idea that all of her worries will end once Rena starts working from home. I think this plays into how emotionally dependent she is on Rena, and also how insecure. It's not like it would actually solve her problems, but she's been obsessing over it as if it would.

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Oh, I hadn't even realized Galette No. 19 was out. Thanks for the reminder!

The chapter in Galette 19 is listed as 特別編 by the way, does it mean special chapter or something?

Yeah. There's a note saying the chapter has been delayed, so they have a short extra instead.

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Well the frequency of the chapters is no one's fault since the magazine this is serialized in comes out every 4 months if I'm not mistaken.

Galette comes out quarterly, so every three months. I think there's still a chapter or two left untranslated, but it doesn't really matter given the relative infrequency of new chapters getting published.

Oh, I hadn't even realized Galette No. 19 was out. Thanks for the reminder!

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Please let these two make out during christmas, also how much longer does it have to be a secret from everyone? If not their friend group then let the big sister figure out and be a cool supportive figure

Big sister? Neither of them has a big sister. But Nanoha's little sister already knows.

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If you've watched all of the Resident Evil films, then this chapter makes perfect sense.

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I guess depravity is contagious.

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Would anyone be able to tell me what is the 'chapter 10' that is up on MangaDex (which is not the same as the one here)? Thank you.

Looks like a bit of a mislabeling. It's a oneshot hosted here too that has some of the same characters as this series.

It is included in the series tank, but as the 12th chapter.

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wait im so sorry but what does the "what do you usually do about lights" mean? cant tell if its literal or if theres some hidden meaning to it

You don't need to worry about the lights unless you're getting naked.

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Did they kiss off scene?!? AGH! Or was it a promise for the play??

Yeah I couldn't tell either if that was an offscreen kiss or a future promise with iffy dialogue.

Either way, it seems like the story is speeding towards an actual Yuri relationship, which is great.

Too many of these stories spend 50 chapters teasing that and then end with a slightly more elaborate tease but no confirmation.

They absolutely, 100%, did kiss here. That's what the panel showing their shoes on page 103 was about, and that's what the "shock" Naitou mentions on page 104 was.

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But then why lie about it?

I think it's because she's still kind of indecisive about it? She seems to be leaning towards becoming the branch manager, but I suppose she still kind of likes the idea of working at home, where she would be with Yuna. Plus, Yuna seemed very excited for her to start working from home, so maybe she just doesn't know how to break the news to her, especially if she hasn't reached a definite decision.

I think you're right. My reading is that she's just so unsure of what she wants, what Yuna wants, and what's best for their relationship that she's deliberately avoiding a decision, and that's why she's hiding it.

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It has been so long and what do we retun to? A cheating subplot...You know what. It may be an unpopular opinion but I dont want a fake out or a misunderstanding.

Let there be actual cheating and lets see how they deal with it. It would be more interesting than "I was just building an orphanage for kittens on the side"

We already know she's not cheating. Rena's boss is opening a new branch of her nail salon, and she wants Rena to manage it. Rena's been extra busy because she has to prepare for her new responsibilities and figure out the new location. That's what Chapter 11 was about.

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Is this a older comic? I was going "That doesn't look right"... was cute tho.

I think the doujin originally came out in 2012.

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This is really neat, not a lot of zombie media goes into the rebuilding efforts that take place after the apocalypse, reminds me of the Zombie Survival Guide/World War Z books

Chiba Sadoru mentioned World War Z as one of his inspirations, specifically the part about the pilot who crashed in a red zone and was guided to safety by a voice she imagined on the other side of her radio, and I think he took a lot of ideas from it.

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Which chapter was this third wheel confession from?

Chapter 11.

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Had to re read the whole thing but omg please don't let the next chapter be anorher year ;_;

Your wish was granted. Didn't take another year but 5 years. Yay!

See you all in 2030 for chapter 10.

This is the final chapter. The only thing left is a short volume extra.

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It's not actually about college, paying for college is just the only sacrifice she can actually stop Asahi from making to make her point. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she rescinded her refusal as soon as Asahi started making herself a priority.

I think the fact that it's college is important, and part of why this is the last straw for her. Subaru's graduation from high school is the first real chance she has to free Asahi from looking after her, and thus free herself from her guilt for dominating her sister's life. Going to university full time is committing to spending four more years as a dependent. And I think letting Asahi support her while she goes to college would really intensify her guilt, because then she'd be enjoying a privilege that Asahi herself had to give up.

It's still dumb to leverage your own future like that to make a point.

Recent research has uncovered an interesting fact. Sometimes human beings act irrationally because of this phenomenon known as "emotion".

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I don't know, I do think Subaru is right that it kind of sucks ass for Asahi to use making sacrifices for her as an excuse to just not care about herself at all and make no effort towards her own happiness and dump the burden of feeling responsible for that onto a kid. Everything Asahi does revolves around Subaru and she's staked her entire identity on that and it must be a source of pretty major guilt that she's the reason her sister refuses to have anything for herself.

Sure, but the way she specifically used college as a way to make this point is incredibly dumb and childish. I'd hardly call it some unusual sacrifice for her to want her younger sister to go to college, that's normal.

It's not actually about college, paying for college is just the only sacrifice she can actually stop Asahi from making to make her point. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she rescinded her refusal as soon as Asahi started making herself a priority.

I think the fact that it's college is important, and part of why this is the last straw for her. Subaru's graduation from high school is the first real chance she has to free Asahi from looking after her, and thus free herself from her guilt for dominating her sister's life. Going to university full time is committing to spending four more years as a dependent. And I think letting Asahi support her while she goes to college would really intensify her guilt, because then she'd be enjoying a privilege that Asahi herself had to give up.

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Small typo on page 11 panel 3
"slep" -> "slept"

Also one on page 15
"right know," -> "right now,"

Thanks for that. I'll pass these along to the editor.

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Was this the last chapter? Can't remember if there is one more or not before it ends.

Edit: I answered my own question, I guess there is one more!

How do you know how many chapters there are going to be? This was just published a few weeks ago.

I thought I saw something on the author’s Twitter about it coming to an end, but now I’ll have to dig through and try and find it again lol.

Okay. Galette announced that they'd be doing mostly oneshots this year, except for Liberty and My Cute Little Kitten, so I wondered if this was going to wrap up or if Morishima would continue releasing it on her own or something.

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Was this the last chapter? Can't remember if there is one more or not before it ends.

Edit: I answered my own question, I guess there is one more!

How do you know how many chapters there are going to be? This was just published a few weeks ago.

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Cute.

Also, those are some good sounds.