Am I the only one who feels it's very unfair for Chidori to be the only one to apologise? She had done absolutely nothing wrong by having an innocent, platonic, private conversation with a friend, and Nanoha isn't entitled to knowing everything Chidori talks about with everyone she meets. If anything, Nanoha is the one who should be apologising and promising she wouldn't do it again. This sets a bad precedent in the relationship.

She had done absolutely nothing wrong by having an innocent, platonic, private conversation with a friend, and Nanoha isn't entitled to knowing everything Chidori talks about with everyone she meets.

That's the problem, Chidori know it was innocent and she was actually asking Mai about the relation between her and Nanoha end the problem of the bath during the trip. Thing is that Nanoha don't know and Chidori answering by "It's a secret" doesn't really help and become a bit jealous. As i disagree, it's that Chidori has her part of responsability on that fight, as she don't really thought that keeping that a secret will trigger Nanoha. Where i agree is that Nanoha's sulking and act was a bit disproportionate for the matter. Being jealous is kinda normal in this situation but sticking out her tongue like she does was very childish.

Am I the only one who feels it's very unfair for Chidori to be the only one to apologise? She had done absolutely nothing wrong by having an innocent, platonic, private conversation with a friend, and Nanoha isn't entitled to knowing everything Chidori talks about with everyone she meets. If anything, Nanoha is the one who should be apologising and promising she wouldn't do it again. This sets a bad precedent in the relationship.

I think you need to reread. Chidori was not the only one to apologize. She first decided to apologize of her own volition here, and she apologizes to Chidori and says tells her should be the one apologizing instead of Chidori here. She also apologizes again and says she was worrying too much here.

I'm always amazed at how objective and rational any characters are expected to act when they're in the grip of their emotions, let alone very young people, let alone young people in a relationship--"right" and "wrong" get weighed in the scales of justice by readers acting like Grand Inquisitors.

More often than not, both parties are partly right and partly wrong, so all this parsing out who should really apologize just replicates the argument in the story--the point is that (as is normally the case in garden-variety domestic arguments), they're both sorry they ended up fighting and want a way out of it.

To hear some readers you'd think we're the judge and jury in some kind of moral small-claims court.

Nanoha is the one who tends to wear her emotions on her sleeve, and Chidori is the more tamped-down one. That's always been their basic dynamic--as the friend says, they usually bring out the best in each other. But occasionally, temporarily, it works the other way.

Am I the only one who feels it's very unfair for Chidori to be the only one to apologise? She had done absolutely nothing wrong by having an innocent, platonic, private conversation with a friend, and Nanoha isn't entitled to knowing everything Chidori talks about with everyone she meets. If anything, Nanoha is the one who should be apologising and promising she wouldn't do it again. This sets a bad precedent in the relationship.

She did apologize, but as for the reason she didn't apologize first... If you look at it from Nanoha's standpoint, at first it was just meant as sort of a joke. She didn't intend on making a big deal out of it, she was still worried about the Mai thing but she had kinda accepted it, since she was just going to teasingly be upset and then go back to normal. But then Chidori blew the whole thing up by not addressing it and it all escalated from there.

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(...) "right" and "wrong" get weighed in the scales of justice by readers acting like Grand Inquisitors.

More often than not, both parties are partly right and partly wrong. (...)

To hear some readers you'd think we're the judge and jury in some kind of moral small-claims court.

Yes but it's fun to discuss about who did what wrong and getting insights from different people. People have different views and discussing these different views can help you gain more insight and look at it from a perspective you hadn't yet. Isn't part of the point of fiction so you can think about it and weigh different options? It's fun to scrutinize chatacters, to judge them, to weigh them up against each other, to think about what happened. Who's to blame? What are they thinking? Questions questions? It's fun, I don't see what's wrong with people having "moral small-claims" discussions.
I'm surprised a lover-of-discusson such as yourself doesn't agree to that.

But then Chidori blew the whole thing up by not addressing it and it all escalated from there.

But Chidori's reaction is normal for her point of view. Nanoha start being grumpy a bit of nowhere and start to sulk and act childish. Most peoples would have react the same way Chidori have. I mean yeah, the start of the fight might be because of her but the whole thing take some proportions because of Nanoha's act. I don't say Chidori is for nothing, but putting the bigger part on her is not the right way to see this.

At this point, I think everyone - or at least someone in the club - has got to have figured it out. What would be hilarious is if at the end of the series there were POV chapters from everyone else of when they figured it out. Surely Mai isn't the only one to catch them, and they're so damn obvious. Especially this arc!

I'm just gonna pretend to ignore the whole fault conversation by actually commenting on these chapters:
deep inhale
All's well that ends well.

(...) "right" and "wrong" get weighed in the scales of justice by readers acting like Grand Inquisitors.

More often than not, both parties are partly right and partly wrong. (...)

To hear some readers you'd think we're the judge and jury in some kind of moral small-claims court.

Yes but it's fun to discuss about who did what wrong and getting insights from different people. People have different views and discussing these different views can help you gain more insight and look at it from a perspective you hadn't yet. Isn't part of the point of fiction so you can think about it and weigh different options? It's fun to scrutinize chatacters, to judge them, to weigh them up against each other, to think about what happened. Who's to blame? What are they thinking? Questions questions? It's fun, I don't see what's wrong with people having "moral small-claims" discussions.
I'm surprised a lover-of-discusson such as yourself doesn't agree to that.

I take your point, but a lot of such discussions are the very ones that often deteriorate into forum squabbling when readers abstract the issues from the specific narrative context and impose their personal real-life priorities and values onto them.

One of the more benign forms is when it becomes excoriating imaginary people for not making better choices, when the whole point is that the characters learn to make those better choices by suffering the consequences of their not-so-great ones. (Or in the alternative, readers chastising authors, whose fundamental business is creating and resolving fictional conflict, for introducing conflict into their stories.)

To return to the story at hand, I think the brilliant thing about this arc is that the apologies (the "penalty" paid for the claims that readers seem to be so concerned about) are just a false resolution--both Nanoha and Chidori are well aware that what they really need to do is to talk honestly with one another.

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It'll be a long wait until sping

Yeah, who has to apologize for what really isn't the point. The point is that both of them decided they wanted to make up, and they were willing to do whatever was necessary to accomplish that. If you go through relationships in life with the attitude that the aggrieved party should never apologize, you're setting yourself up for a long-running battle for the moral high ground which will end either with both of you miserable and resentful, or a break-up.

To hear some readers you'd think we're the judge and jury in some kind of moral small-claims court.

One wonders where the custom of simply enjoying a good story went... :(((((

I'm just gonna pretend to ignore the whole fault conversation by actually commenting on these chapters:
deep inhale
All's well that ends well.

Yes, I agree. Now, let's see what other juicy drama erupts in this couple's love life! Mwahaha!

I'm just gonna pretend to ignore the whole fault conversation by actually commenting on these chapters:
deep inhale
All's well that ends well.

Yes, I agree. Now, let's see what other juicy drama erupts in this couple's love life! Mwahaha!

Well there is still the bath problem.

Publishers take note: all you have to do to prevent piracy is to release your products in a terrible state.

See you guys in the spring, I suppose.

so do those three friends still NOT know theyre dating even at this rate?

so do those three friends still NOT know theyre dating even at this rate?

All signs allude that those three are just as dense as our protags. So.......

Heh, I it was funny to see that awkward apology in front of all friends, that thought it would be better for them to be there for damage control.

Yes, they are childish and irrational, and it is normal. First of all they are still pretty much kids and second, they are done that at the heat of emotions. In the end they sorted it out beautifully.
Waiting for obligatory bath scene, lol.

Many thanks to the translators that released this arс almost as a batch.

(...) "right" and "wrong" get weighed in the scales of justice by readers acting like Grand Inquisitors.

More often than not, both parties are partly right and partly wrong. (...)

To hear some readers you'd think we're the judge and jury in some kind of moral small-claims court.

Yes but it's fun to discuss about who did what wrong and getting insights from different people. People have different views and discussing these different views can help you gain more insight and look at it from a perspective you hadn't yet. Isn't part of the point of fiction so you can think about it and weigh different options? It's fun to scrutinize chatacters, to judge them, to weigh them up against each other, to think about what happened. Who's to blame? What are they thinking? Questions questions? It's fun, I don't see what's wrong with people having "moral small-claims" discussions.
I'm surprised a lover-of-discusson such as yourself doesn't agree to that.

I take your point, but a lot of such discussions are the very ones that often deteriorate into forum squabbling when readers abstract the issues from the specific narrative context and impose their personal real-life priorities and values onto them.

One of the more benign forms is when it becomes excoriating imaginary people for not making better choices, when the whole point is that the characters learn to make those better choices by suffering the consequences of their not-so-great ones. (Or in the alternative, readers chastising authors, whose fundamental business is creating and resolving fictional conflict, for introducing conflict into their stories.)

That is a lesson I wish I learned a while ago. I would have saved a lot of wasted time and effort.

To return to the story at hand, I think the brilliant thing about this arc is that the apologies (the "penalty" paid for the claims that readers seem to be so concerned about) are just a false resolution--both Nanoha and Chidori are well aware that what they really need to do is to talk honestly with one another.

Mentioning the heart stone gave me intense Girlfiriends nostalgia. Hell Nanoha and Chidori already look like Akko and Mari, this has got to be an intentional homage/reference to it.

The heart stone. The victorian dress rental plase. The historical Western house. Nanoho, and Chitori's class must be at the same plase that Akko confessed to Mariko in Girlfriends

I just want to take a moment and talk about Nanoho, and Chitori's friends. I mean the couple have been dating for an entire year, right under their noses, and they still don't suspect a thing. I get that the same sex thing might have thrown them off the scent for a while. But you would think at least one of them would have gotten suspicious about how close the pair has grown.
For a while I thought that maybe they knew, and were just letting Nanoho and Chitori tell them in their own time, but now it's obvious they're clueless.

The heart stone. The victorian dress rental plase. The historical Western house. Nanoho, and Chitori's class must be at the same plase that Akko confessed to Mariko in Girlfriends

I thought it was in Negima too, but I think I might be wrong! I wonder if the girlfriends connection is a coincidence or intentional. I don't think there are any direct references with panels or staging or the like, but the confessions might say otherwise

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The heart stone. The victorian dress rental plase. The historical Western house. Nanoho, and Chitori's class must be at the same plase that Akko confessed to Mariko in Girlfriends

I thought it was in Negima too, but I think I might be wrong! I wonder if the girlfriends connection is a coincidence or intentional. I don't think there are any direct references with panels or staging or the like, but the confessions might say otherwise

Maybe it's an omage to Girlfriends, or maybe both works are using a place known for both school trips and romance as a back drop. I mean no one would wonder if a love confession in Paris, or Venice was a reference to another story.

Nooo a hiatus! I get it. I was spoiled. I was enjoying these regular updates too much.