Maybe I am just trying to not face the reallity but is this really the same as what happen in euphonium and amanchu?
I mean what happened in those seems way worse

Zexalfan posted:

Maybe I am just trying to not face the reallity but is this really the same as what happen in euphonium and amanchu?
I mean what happened in those seems way worse

Not at all, not even close

Zexalfan posted:

Maybe I am just trying to not face the reallity but is this really the same as what happen in euphonium and amanchu?
I mean what happened in those seems way worse

Not at all, not even close

OH THANK GOD.
Don't mind the over reaction. Thanks for the reasurance about it, I haven't seen either euphonium or amanchu so I couldn't really confirm how alike the situations were.

Did the authors of Euphonium and Amanchu have any yuri background like Hagino does?

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Zexalfan posted:

Maybe I am just trying to not face the reallity but is this really the same as what happen in euphonium and amanchu?
I mean what happened in those seems way worse

Not at all, not even close

Did the authors of Euphonium and Amanchu have any yuri background like Hagino does?

IKR! it hurts way more pulling a "friendship/skinship between girls" from a yuri author. Makoto Hagino is clearly a yuri fan and she's not fooling anyone. she flooded her story with yuri interactions that cannot be called subtext anymore. heck even her covers are so gay if any normie saw it they will say it's a lesbian romance story. if she really didn't plan to write a yuri romance story from the beginning, why did she put all those yuri elements into her story? beats me.

welp, guess I'll stop following this manga and maybe I'll read it when it's finished to see how their "friendship" settles. I'm actually not one of those "no gay no deal" people, but she clearly wasted a great romance story potential with fantastic and well developed characters. the two main girls' chemistry is what kept me commited to reading this story every chapter release.

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Zexalfan posted:

Maybe I am just trying to not face the reallity but is this really the same as what happen in euphonium and amanchu?
I mean what happened in those seems way worse

Not at all, not even close

Did the authors of Euphonium and Amanchu have any yuri background like Hagino does?

IKR! it hurts way more pulling a "friendship/skinship between girls" from a yuri author.

That's exactly the opposite of what I'm thinking. It's reassuring if anything - I can't imagine a known yuri author voluntarily going Amanchu.

Zexalfan posted:

Maybe I am just trying to not face the reallity but is this really the same as what happen in euphonium and amanchu?
I mean what happened in those seems way worse

Not at all, not even close

Did the authors of Euphonium and Amanchu have any yuri background like Hagino does?

IKR! it hurts way more pulling a "friendship/skinship between girls" from a yuri author.

That's exactly the opposite of what I'm thinking. It's reassuring if anything - I can't imagine a known yuri author voluntarily going Amanchu.

​I understand that what Amanchu author pulled is waaaay worse than this. that said, what Makoto Hagino did is still as bad as Hibike. "just gals being pals"..and it still hurts way more than Hibike considering that Makoto is a yuri author herself. I mean, we totally had faith in you goddamnit ;-;

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some major jumping to conclusions in this thread right now.

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some major jumping to conclusions in this thread right now.

I was thinking the same thing this very moment. How many creators across various media have we heard say the equivalent of, "I don't think of this as [familiar genre]--to me it's [airy-fairy restatement of gist of familiar genre]"?

Then the work turns out to be pretty much [familiar genre] with, at best, a bit of a twist.

I think it's a way they keep themselves from just wallowing in genre tropes or getting swamped by audience expectations.

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I think it's a way they keep themselves from just wallowing in genre tropes or getting swamped by audience expectations.

Sounds about right. And some authors just dislike labels on principle.

Judge stories by what happens in the stories, IMO

Amanchu and Eupho aren't trash because their authors went in interviews and said "no homo" at one point somewhere maybe, they're trash because the actual stories themselves undermined their core character dynamics in shitty and nonsensical ways. If the actual text of Nettaigyo stays good then I don't really care if the author says "and then 10 years later they were all abducted by aliens" or whatever, and by the same token if the story does something stupid and that doesn't work as we're reading it then I don't really care about how Hagino explains it beyond maybe as a curiosity.

The way the crowd here is basically screaming blasphemy is more than a little amusing.

Well, it's all about promises not kept. In manga an anime all too often an attraction gets established between two female characters, only for the writers to then go "Fooled ya! They don't have teh ghey. What, you think we're perverts or something?" And to drive the point home the girls either get a boyfriend, get separated forever by whatever means, or have a falling out over nothing.

And no, I absolutely don't care one iota what a writer says on Twitter or in an interview. This about what is happening within the story, and within this particular one the writer establishes a truckload of subtext between Koyuki and Konatsu, only to bail out later on. Koyuki's worries about her future would have a lot more weight in the context of her relationship with Konatsu, but the writer practically ejects Konatsu from the the story and then replaces her with some random other character. Why? It could all be down to incompetence, but stuff like this happens so often in manga and anime that I have become quite cynical.

Like I said, it is getting a bit better, but for every series that is serious about attraction between girls we get a hundred that are like this one.

What it simply means is what you miss understood to be subtext wasn't. Apply more rigorous perception checking next time and be aware of your own confirmation bias warping your world view or misunderstanding a fictitious story may be the least of your troubles.

For what it's worth although I was far from certain, I thought it was likely going down the yuri path as well.

"For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'It might have been'." I quite like the story and because of that it saddens me that it will not bear fruit. I will stay and see where it goes.

I mean, some people here confound me.

"Although it probably can't technically be called a shoujo ai/yuri manga, there's a lot of subtext, so you don't even need to put on your yuri goggles for this one. It's just basically a very cute story about two girls who find solace in their loneliness with each other, and from the beginning, it's been billed as a "girl-ship story", short for girls friendship."

Quoting from the scanlators' webpage, which was linked almost a year ago in this thread, precisely to address the hordes of people who were complaining about the subtext tag back then. I mean, I know that in the meantime the entire "subtext" thing has become something of a joke, but I am still under the impression some here took that Dynasty specific joke and expected the author to be in on it, pulling a full yuri reveal at the end.

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some major jumping to conclusions in this thread right now.

I was thinking the same thing this very moment. How many creators across various media have we heard say the equivalent of, "I don't think of this as [familiar genre]--to me it's [airy-fairy restatement of gist of familiar genre]"?

Then the work turns out to be pretty much [familiar genre] with, at best, a bit of a twist.

I think it's a way they keep themselves from just wallowing in genre tropes or getting swamped by audience expectations.

could you gime some examples because i´ve never heard of this specific situation in any kind of media

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some major jumping to conclusions in this thread right now.

I was thinking the same thing this very moment. How many creators across various media have we heard say the equivalent of, "I don't think of this as [familiar genre]--to me it's [airy-fairy restatement of gist of familiar genre]"?

Then the work turns out to be pretty much [familiar genre] with, at best, a bit of a twist.

I think it's a way they keep themselves from just wallowing in genre tropes or getting swamped by audience expectations.

could you gime some examples because i´ve never heard of this specific situation in any kind of media

Sorry, nothing off the top of my head, but I’ve heard it lots of times from writers, TV producers, and movie directors, most commonly about genres like science fiction or fantasy, but also romance and horror. It’s a pretty common way to set interviewers back on their heels, when they ask some question that assumes that So-and-So’s work is obviously whatever genre, and then get a reply like, “It’s really a family tragedy that just happens to have elves.”

SpiritusNox posted:

Judge stories by what happens in the stories, IMO

f the actual text of Nettaigyo stays good then I don't really care if the author says "and then 10 years later they were all abducted by aliens" or whatever

Hagino 10 years later: Koyuki and Konatsu had a very intense sexual relationship

Hagino I never said it wasn't a lizard or that she was white

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Man, I hated when they cast an iguana in the theatrical adaptation.

I'm pretty sure I'm seeing some major jumping to conclusions in this thread right now.

Same

SpiritusNox posted:

Judge stories by what happens in the stories, IMO

f the actual text of Nettaigyo stays good then I don't really care if the author says "and then 10 years later they were all abducted by aliens" or whatever

Hagino 10 years later: Koyuki and Konatsu had a very intense sexual relationship

Hagino I never said it wasn't a lizard or that she was white

also hagino :yamagishi, home economics club, jewish character

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Wow I am getting gayer for Koyuki

Need some more Koyuki x Konatsu love

Kaede is so waifu i really love her

Umm, when is the update for this series...?

End of the month. The magazine comes out around the 25th or so and the scanlation follows a few days later.