some lovely p r o g r e s s i o n

can't wait for the next chapter, somehow this reminds me to Bloom into you a bit haha

Translation of Makoto Hagino's tweets (linked above) for the people who don't trust machine translation~~

"I have a certain way of how I want to tell my story, but that doesn't apply to the reader. People should have freedom of expression which applies to both the creator and consumer. I don't intend to define my work as yuri, but the reader is free to approach the work how they want. Rather than denying the reader's interpretation, I want to keep drawing what I want to draw, believing someday my opinions/ideas and worldview will be accepted".

https://mobile.twitter.com/93choco

This doesn't seem like a denial of romance, to me. "I don't intend to define my work as yuri" is quite different from "these girls ain't in love with each other what's the matter with you idiots lol". "I don't intend to define my work as yuri" sounds to me like she means this isn't a story explicitly about two girls falling in love and focusing on all the tropes of yuri genre works. This is a story about these girls, and their lives, and their school times, and their friends, and their clubs, and their families, and how they relate to each other and the people around them and how they grow as a result, and maybe about how they fall in love with each other. Yuri isn't the sole focus of the series, but that doesn't mean there may not be some.

In other news, I do miss Konatsu lately. I'd like to see her and Koyuki spending time together and expressing their feelings properly.

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I have to said this again.
Kaede is BEST GIRL

I'm with you 100% on that.

I’m with both of you on that.

I love getting more of Kaede, but I really miss Konatsu, and now we gotta wait two months to see her side of the story (hopefully).
Sneaky, sneaky Fuyuki snapping a pic of the photo with his phone!

I'm actually starting to hate the person who asked that on twitter, is there a way to respond that without spoiling the ending? No, you say Yuri then they end up as a couple, you say friendship then is just a good bye ... I mean come on, whoever asked that is like those people here who complain about the Yuri tag because the don't kiss in the first chapter.

I sense some cuckening

OMG THE CYCLE HAS BEEN BROKEN?
Before this chapter every prior was named either Konatsu or Koyuki, but things took a different turn here with Kaede-sama getting her own chapter, this will definitely lead into a 3-way- friendship, there's no escaping now folks!!

This doesn't seem like a denial of romance, to me. "I don't intend to define my work as yuri" is quite different from "these girls ain't in love with each other what's the matter with you idiots lol". "I don't intend to define my work as yuri" sounds to me like she means this isn't a story explicitly about two girls falling in love and focusing on all the tropes of yuri genre works. This is a story about these girls, and their lives, and their school times, and their friends, and their clubs, and their families, and how they relate to each other and the people around them and how they grow as a result, and maybe about how they fall in love with each other. Yuri isn't the sole focus of the series, but that doesn't mean there may not be some.

In other news, I do miss Konatsu lately. I'd like to see her and Koyuki spending time together and expressing their feelings properly.

girls＋friendship=girls ship
"friendship"

Someone's going to catch de jellies.

Seems to be.

OOOOH she got caught seeing another girl behind her back!

I could hear Shaggy's It Wasn't Me in this one lol.

I'm actually starting to hate the person who asked that on twitter, is there a way to respond that without spoiling the ending? No, you say Yuri then they end up as a couple, you say friendship then is just a good bye ... I mean come on, whoever asked that is like those people here who complain about the Yuri tag because the don't kiss in the first chapter.

naruto becomes hokage at the end of the manga
goku is the srtongest MF on the universe at the end of DBS
the world fucking ends a the end of evangelion

at the end most stories are about the journey not the end

wanting to know if the manga is yuri or not is a legit concern some people just want girls being gay some others are fine with a slice of life cute girls doing cute things and that´s fine there´s fucking tons of media to consume, there´s nothing wrong with avoid content that don´t apeal to you
besides i don´t think is complaining about the girls not fucking at the first pane (well maybe there´s some people that do but you just gotta ingnore them)

Except none of those examples were spoiled from the beginning... In that case you can wait until this over to say "this is X at the end" and pretend that it doesn't matter if you spoiled the ending of avengers because it's the journey that matters... And if the journey is what matters, then it doesn't matter if this is yuri or not.... At the end.

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No yuri tag neither shoujo ai?

exia909 posted:

No yuri tag neither shoujo ai?

No yuri because they still didn't solve their friendship first.
No shoujo ai because they're not pedophiles.

I'm actually starting to hate the person who asked that on twitter, is there a way to respond that without spoiling the ending? No, you say Yuri then they end up as a couple, you say friendship then is just a good bye ... I mean come on, whoever asked that is like those people here who complain about the Yuri tag because the don't kiss in the first chapter.

Maybe the author shouldn't have responded at all instead of just outright saying she doesn't intend to make it yuri. The person asking did us a service, we use tags for a reason and this is a prime example. It sets expectations, and now my expectations for this series have been toppled. I'm mad for wasting my time so far but glad that I won't waste any more knowing that there will be no strawberry inside this cake.

Gridman posted:

I'm actually starting to hate the person who asked that on twitter, is there a way to respond that without spoiling the ending? No, you say Yuri then they end up as a couple, you say friendship then is just a good bye ... I mean come on, whoever asked that is like those people here who complain about the Yuri tag because the don't kiss in the first chapter.

Maybe the author shouldn't have responded at all instead of just outright saying she doesn't intend to make it yuri. The person asking did us a service, we use tags for a reason and this is a prime example. It sets expectations, and now my expectations for this series have been toppled. I'm mad for wasting my time so far but glad that I won't waste any more knowing that there will be no strawberry inside this cake.

Or you could read it because it's a good story about friendship. Regardless of it going yuri route in the end or not.

Or you could read it because it's a good story about friendship. Regardless of it going yuri route in the end or not.

Or I can read a story about yuri and not waste my time on pointless teen friendships. And this is why we have tags.

I'm not sure the author's Twitter response actually tells us anything we didn't know already about the story, and I'm really not sure it tells us anything solid about how the story is going to finally end up.

And I'm really, really, really not sure what she means about her "worldview being accepted."

She did have a chance to satisfy those who want a guaranteed yuri-couple ending, and she definitely passed. But why she passed and what the implications of that are still remains to be seen.

I'm actually starting to hate the person who asked that on twitter, is there a way to respond that without spoiling the ending? No, you say Yuri then they end up as a couple, you say friendship then is just a good bye ... I mean come on, whoever asked that is like those people here who complain about the Yuri tag because the don't kiss in the first chapter.

The intent of the questioner was not about asking whether there would be romance. The full context isn't really worth explaining, but the questioner was someone who supports yuri not just being romance.

Gridman posted:

Or you could read it because it's a good story about friendship. Regardless of it going yuri route in the end or not.

Or I can read a story about yuri and not waste my time on pointless teen friendships. And this is why we have tags.

Funny you say that, since this series never had a yuri tag. So how come you kept reading it blindly despite it not being yuri, before that author's comment?

Doctor_Hoot posted:

Or you could read it because it's a good story about friendship.

But implying that Nettaigyo is just a story about friendship, one that doesn't ship tease the ever-living shit out of the two leads, is wildly dishonest.

Or I just never read it and just check comments from time to time and based on what people say, despite it's potential so far it didn't cross that line, but is still a very well written story about friendship, if it never decides to go beyond that. I do plan to read it, mostly because of all positive comments (and it caught my interest way before), but it's not like I only read yuri exclusively. So I'm fine reading this one even if nothing comes out of it, because reading story about really good portray of friendship between girls is nice change of pace too. On that note I recommend Tomodachi no Hanashi for anyone who wants to read about very close and intimate friendship between 2 girls.

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There's definitely some teasing here and there although I wouldn't say it's ever crossed into dishonesty. It would be dishonest if it was baiting and it ended with Konatsu and/or Koyuki finding a boyfriend, but that's 100% not going to happen. It's the kind of teasing that makes for subtext (a tag the series does have on here, rightfully so) and I guess it will end as subtext in a 'the nature and future developments of their relationship are left to the reader's interpretation' kind of way. I do understand if some people decide not to read it or to drop it if they can't get actual romance, but saying it's about friendship first and foremost isn't dishonest in my opinion.

i do find it kind of dishonest i don´t get why some authors portrait friendship like that there´s tons of ways to show that two characters are close friends you only need to look at any sports manga .
The fandom ship characters? of course they do that´s just the nature of the fandoms .
The fandom go ape shit when their favorite ship doesn´t become canon?of course not because the nature of their relationship is clear from the begining , they can be rivals, best buddies, teacher and student, senpai and kouhai, platonic fiends etc but at the end is clear that no they´re not gay

it´s the same with stuff like k-on love live or any show with cute girls doing cute thing. i don´t see ppl complaining about yui x azu not being canon or maki x nico

there´s really no good reason to mislead the readers/viewers into believe a character might be gay just to pull of the "haaa gotcha they´re just really close friends " to me that is kind of dishones
and is worst when you were interested in something (manga/anime) even if it wasn´t yuri but then you got tricked you into thinkinh that it might be a legit yuri and at the end you fell betrayed

last edited at May 4, 2019 3:07AM

^Fan service, moe and ship tease. And it's only people's fault to call something yuri when publisher and author said otherwise.

The overt level of the text tells us in no uncertain terms that Koyuki and Konatsu have an emotional relationship that goes beyond everyday friendship in significance and intensity. There’s no tease or dishonesty about that much, at any rate.

Both characters, but Koyuki especially, are struggling to understand what that “beyond” is and means, and particularly what the future will hold when they’re not together in school and in the club anymore. This is by no means a story that has indicated that its logical conclusion is the MCs making out or in bed together (although nothing in the story completely rules it out, either).

To me the logical conclusion of the story does require that the two characters eventually communicate honestly about how much they mean to each other. Whether that takes a specifically romantic/sexualized form remains to be seen.