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joined Jul 29, 2017

I like the part where she realizes that she is the worst. Can't wait when she continues to be an asshole to doormatt-san in the next chapter, because she feels bad. D:

Right—maybe she’ll be so ashamed and guilty at what she’s done that she’ll put Maki in the hospital.

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joined Nov 3, 2019

Mannnn poor Maki =_= She's being so sweet and has no clue what shiz just went down... Keen to see what happens next!

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

doormat-chan gets what she deserves.

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

I must remember that this wild ride is from Tomoko Kuroki's VA and is her first work.

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joined Jan 4, 2017

Somewhere deep down I hoped this won't led to this...
And now I am dissaponted for nex xxx months.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 8:29AM

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joined Jun 13, 2012

I'm starting to get tired of the drama...

joined Oct 25, 2014

I just realized the only sex scene in this manga is the MC getting cucked. lol

Terrific job, Momono Moto. You really know what's up.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 10:02AM

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

Mmm nope. You can't just make blanket generalizations like that.

"Something works generally in a certain way" ==> "That's the norm everyone must adhere to" is bad, flawed logic.

You should consider this was written from a Japanese mindset for Japanese readers. In the Western world there is a tendency to not make assumptions or generalizations about a lot of stuff, but that's a Western thing. The Japanese are not like that.

I'm all for cultural specificity. I often write myself that Japan is not the West, and that you can't judge Japanese stories or characters by Western moral parameters. I've been in many a debate because of that.

But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Liz seems to feel that her actions could hurt Maki, that's for sure. Doesn't mean it's a breach of contract.

There's no need for a contract.

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

joined Oct 25, 2014

But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Logic has nothing to do with it. It's a cultural thing. Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is exclusive unless explicitly said otherwise.

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

A contract none of them took seriously. What they did take seriously was the relationship itself, which is why when Senpai asked Liz if Maki was her girlfriend, Liz didn't deny it.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 10:19AM

White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

I like the part where she realizes that she is the worst. Can't wait when she continues to be an asshole to doormat-san in the next chapter, because she feels bad. D:

Right—maybe she’ll be so ashamed and guilty at what she’s done that she’ll put Maki in the hospital.

My finely-tuned sleuth instinct makes me suspect you don't have a good opinion of Liz. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

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joined Jul 29, 2017

I just realized the only sex scene in this manga is the MC getting cucked. lol

Terrific job, Momono Moto. You really know what's up.

To be fair, Momono Moto is only doing the art here; Kitta Izumi is the (first-time, as I understand it) writer.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 10:25AM

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Logic has nothing to do with it. It's a cultural thing. Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is exclusive unless explicitly said otherwise.

There's that blanket thing again...

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

A contract none of them took seriously. What they did take seriously was the relationship itself.

Too much headcanon, too little canon.

White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

Wow, look at the date & time in the last messages!
We're posting a message a minute!

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 10:28AM

joined Oct 25, 2014

There's that blanket thing again...

I just know how the average Japanese think. I'm actually have Japanese friends and have gone to Japan many times too.

Too much headcanon, too little canon.

I guess that's your way if saying you didn't pay enough attention.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 10:42AM

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joined May 24, 2019

Wow, look at the date & time in the last messages!
We're posting a message a minute!

Liberty sure is popular, huh? Totally a fan favorite. :))

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joined Jul 29, 2017

Wow, look at the date & time in the last messages!
We're posting a message a minute!

Liberty sure is popular, huh? Totally a fan favorite. :))

Series that start out looking like they have a lot of potential then . . . fail to live up to that initial promise always attract a lot of commentary. The ones that stink from the beginning don’t get quite so much sustained attention.

People who hope that the ship will right itself stick around, sometimes complaining and sometimes defending; people who feel betrayed by the series tend to keep articulating their disappointment, and people who like the series do battle with the others.

I’d put this one, My Unrequited Love, and What Does the Fox Say? in that category. I’m sure there are others.

joined Oct 25, 2014

People who hope that the ship will right itself

I think the only way this crap could right itself is Maki dumping Liz's ass. Very unlikely to happen though. Liz is Kitta Izumi's self-insert so she will probably get scot-free.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

There's that blanket thing again...

I just now how the Japanese think. I'm actually have Japanese friends and have gone to Japan many times too.

You're not getting the point.

You said, I quote, "Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is exclusive unless explicitly said otherwise." You could as well say, "Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is something between a man and a woman unless explicitly said otherwise." Yes, a lot of people think like that; and it's a source of much embarrassment for lesbian couples in daily life. A lot of people. A lot. Not all.

Just because a great number of people in a country do something wrong, you cannot claim everyone is like that and issue a blanket condemnation.

Too much headcanon, too little canon.

I guess that's your way if saying you didn't pay enough attention.

Start by working on your understanding of logical thought (and your orthography); then we can talk.

joined Sep 12, 2014

Thank you for give me the last push I need to drop this one.

joined Oct 25, 2014

A lot of people. A lot. Not all.

A lot as in most people, which is why assuming the relationship is meant to be exclusive makes the most sense.

Start by working on your understanding of logical thought (and your orthography); then we can talk.

Spare me the straw man, please.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 11:08AM

joined Apr 6, 2019

People who like the series do battle with the others.

Just for the record, both of us have avoided battle so far. XDD

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joined Jul 29, 2017

People who like the series do battle with the others.

Just for the record, both of us have avoided battle so far. XDD

The Fabian strategy is often the best option when one side is massively outnumbered. Lol

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joined May 24, 2019

A lot of people. A lot. Not all.

A lot as in most people, which is why assuming the relationship is meant to be exclusive makes the most sense.

I can't believe this.
You are ardently supporting polyphobic people, homophobic people, and, in general, all majority groups who engage in minority discrimination... and, afaict, you don't even realize what you're doing.

You really need to rethink your argument. Or your worldview. Or both. Or everything.

Start by working on your understanding of logical thought (and your orthography); then we can talk.

Spare me the straw man, please.

Are you sure you don't want her to spare you the illicit major, or the persuasive definition, or the double counting, or the survivorship bias?

Nene is right. Brush up on Logic 101. It will do you good.

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

What even was the contract about ? Was so far i don't remember.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

What even was the contract about ? Was so far i don't remember.

Maki is required to let Liz shit in her mouth. Wait, no, that wasn’t quite it . . .

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/liberty_ch08#5

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