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joined Oct 25, 2014

You are ardently supporting polyphobic people, homophobic people, and, in general, all majority groups who engage in minority discrimination... and, afaict, you don't even realize what you're doing.

You're making no sense. Just because I'm pretty familiarized with how the average Japanese think doesn't mean I support that way of thinking.

Nene is right. Brush up on Logic 101. It will do you good.

You probably should brush up your reading comprehension, considering all your baseless assumptions.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 11:51AM

joined Jun 30, 2016

Wow what a piece of trash this bitch is, yes you are the worst! and dont deserve any kind of love whatsoever!

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

"I'm the worst"

Me: Well, you're not wrong...

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

Oh for fuck's sake--if a character is shown to have recently gotten a surprise short-hair makeover that completely changed the way she looks, then in a subsequent scene she is shown back looking the way she did before without any explanation (not even a short-hair wig lying on the floor) it's beyond fatuous to say "It's a manga--it's not supposed to be hyper-realistic."

Well, I don't see anyone else having problems understanding what was going on, so....

No, this is actually a narrative problem. Until she looked at her phone and the text from Maki, I legit thought the sex scene was a flashback. Ditching the wig with no visual cues actively confused my read of it. I don't think it's as big a deal as Blastaar does, but I do think it's a flawed choice.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

Oh for fuck's sake--if a character is shown to have recently gotten a surprise short-hair makeover that completely changed the way she looks, then in a subsequent scene she is shown back looking the way she did before without any explanation (not even a short-hair wig lying on the floor) it's beyond fatuous to say "It's a manga--it's not supposed to be hyper-realistic."

Well, I don't see anyone else having problems understanding what was going on, so....

No, this is actually a narrative problem. Until she looked at her phone and the text from Maki, I legit thought the sex scene was a flashback. Ditching the wig with no visual cues actively confused my read of it. I don't think it's as big a deal as Blastaar does, but I do think it's a flawed choice.

I have to admit I was myself a wee bit confused about that makeover thing. At first I thought she had had her hair cut and dyed blonde. Then I saw her with long black hair again and didn't know what to think. It took me a few moments to realize the short blonde hair from before was supposed to be a wig... (I'm tempted to say: an impossibly well-fitting wig for someone with her hair...)

Now, it's the purpose of the makeover that has me kind of baffled. Did Sumire want Liz to change her looks just for that one shot (and dinner date) or is she demanding an official image change?

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

Oh for fuck's sake--if a character is shown to have recently gotten a surprise short-hair makeover that completely changed the way she looks, then in a subsequent scene she is shown back looking the way she did before without any explanation (not even a short-hair wig lying on the floor) it's beyond fatuous to say "It's a manga--it's not supposed to be hyper-realistic."

Well, I don't see anyone else having problems understanding what was going on, so....

No, this is actually a narrative problem. Until she looked at her phone and the text from Maki, I legit thought the sex scene was a flashback. Ditching the wig with no visual cues actively confused my read of it. I don't think it's as big a deal as Blastaar does, but I do think it's a flawed choice.

It's only a "big deal" in the sense that we need to know what to make of it.

  • Continuity error seems unlikely since it would be a huge one--how would such an oversight even happen?
  • It did seem like it could be a flashback, except then the sequence with Maki's text doesn't make sense.
  • So then what was the purpose of the makeover if the ex ultimately wanted to get Liz into the sack with her old hair?
  • Was the makeover supposed to demonstrate the power the ex had over Liz? If so, why not just keep the short hair?

I just see it as an example of what I have come to think of as "The My Unrequited Love Interpretive Conundrum": if this isn't simple authorial incompetence, then what the hell is it?

Captureefef
joined Mar 16, 2018

What the hell is this story supposed to be about anymore?
Women have the liberty to be abusive assholes?

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

I can't believe this.
You are ardently supporting polyphobic people, homophobic people, and, in general, all majority groups who engage in minority discrimination... and, afaict, you don't even realize what you're doing.

You really need to rethink your argument. Or your worldview. Or both. Or everything.

To be frank, I lost track of his argument at some point. He just keeps naysaying everything, even the factual and the canon, and doesn't seem to understand how it leads him to contradiction. It's gotten so incoherent, I don't know anymore what he's trying to tell us.

Most likely, he doesn't know either.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 4:27PM

joined Dec 21, 2016

It's just a wig. It's a safe way to sport a new hairstylefor publicity, so if it doesn't work you can easily go back to the old style. I think Kubo Yurika and Nanjou Yoshino used wigs for certain shoots.

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

What even was the contract about ? Was so far i don't remember.

Maki is required to let Liz shit in her mouth. Wait, no, that wasn’t quite it...

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/liberty_ch08#5

"Ore no mono ha, ore no mono. Omae no mono mo ore no mono!"

It's kind of cute that she used Gian's catchphrase... though I'm guessing she didn't use "ore" to refer to herself, haha. It's like she's saying: "Yes, I'm gonna roleplay a bad kid, I'm gonna bully you, you gotta problem with that?" It gives a childlike touch to the whole contract thing.

Miki_closeup
joined Mar 20, 2014

Uh... didn't Liz just get her hair cut? How could it have grown back the same evening?

joined Jul 26, 2019

The problem is that it seems that this cheating was inevitable given liz's reactions to the advances of her senpai...
So it happened, but it had to happen no matter what the height.
Liz still saw her senpai as an idol as attractive and cool as ever, but her perception of her changed after that act... it doesn't excuse anything but it may be the shock that will allow her to cut emotional ties with her.
Now what will be the next step? evolution of liz who will want to turn the page and live her relationship with maki without any more ulterior motives and flashback or aggravation of the problem?

White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

Uh... didn't Liz just get her hair cut? How could it have grown back the same evening?

Don't worry. It's only natural to be puzzled by that. Most of us were.
As it turns out, she didn't get her hair cut. That was just a blonde wig. The real hair (long, black hair) was under the wig.

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

It's just a wig. It's a safe way to sport a new hairstylefor publicity, so if it doesn't work you can easily go back to the old style. I think Kubo Yurika and Nanjou Yoshino used wigs for certain shoots.

Right--but what's the thematic or narrative purpose of the whole makeover business? Liz is an entertainer (a musician, not primarily a model, or a voice actress playing different parts) whose public image was defined by her long dark hair. The whole shoot, in fact the whole idea of using Liz as a model for cosmetics, is Sumire's. The new look is "just as she imagined" (Chapter 11). (Incidentally, it also makes Liz look a lot like Maki.)

Even including a single panel of the ex pulling the wig off while they were making out would have clarified what the deal is here.

joined Dec 21, 2016

It's just a wig. It's a safe way to sport a new hairstylefor publicity, so if it doesn't work you can easily go back to the old style. I think Kubo Yurika and Nanjou Yoshino used wigs for certain shoots.

Right--but what's the thematic or narrative purpose of the whole makeover business? Liz is an entertainer (a musician, not primarily a model, or a voice actress playing different parts) whose public image was defined by her long dark hair. The whole shoot, in fact the whole idea of using Liz as a model for cosmetics, is Sumire's. The new look is "just as she imagined" (Chapter 11). (Incidentally, it also makes Liz look a lot like Maki.)

Even including a single panel of the ex pulling the wig off while they were making out would have clarified what the deal is here.

Sumire wants to change Liz's image to her liking, maybe even for business purposes as well. Hence the radical changeover.

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

It's just a wig. It's a safe way to sport a new hairstylefor publicity, so if it doesn't work you can easily go back to the old style. I think Kubo Yurika and Nanjou Yoshino used wigs for certain shoots.

Right--but what's the thematic or narrative purpose of the whole makeover business? Liz is an entertainer (a musician, not primarily a model, or a voice actress playing different parts) whose public image was defined by her long dark hair. The whole shoot, in fact the whole idea of using Liz as a model for cosmetics, is Sumire's. The new look is "just as she imagined" (Chapter 11). (Incidentally, it also makes Liz look a lot like Maki.)

Even including a single panel of the ex pulling the wig off while they were making out would have clarified what the deal is here.

Sumire wants to change Liz's image to her liking, maybe even for business purposes as well. Hence the radical changeover.

Sigh. Of course that’s true—we know that because that’s what she does.

But neither of those answers can be the whole story.

If “for business purposes,” that makes no sense—if she needs a short-haired, light-haired model “for business purposes,” then why go out of her way to make over a girl with long, dark hair?

If she wants to remake Liz’s image to her own liking, then why have sex with her in her original hair?

You keep answering questions that haven’t been asked and ignoring the ones that have been.

joined Dec 21, 2016

Sigh. Of course that’s true—we know that because that’s what she does.

But neither of those answers can be the whole story.

If “for business purposes,” that makes no sense—if she needs a short-haired, light-haired model “for business purposes,” then why go out of her way to make over a girl with long, dark hair?

I'm just making assumptions based on what've seen so far.
In ch.10 she seems like the strict business type that only cares about Liz because her company is involved with her band. In ch.11 she's the one behind Liz radical makeover, praising her new hairstyle (we didn't know it was a wig) and then choosing a dress for her. Both the hairstyle and the dress don't fit Liz punk/rock public persona, but we can assume there's a valid reason for Sumire (at least from her point of view) to do this and since she's a business woman I guess it probably has something to do with her company sponsoring Liberty.
Sumire is a manipulator who easily swayed Liz just to have some fun in high school and we can assume she's doing the same thing now, she certainly isn't in love with Liz.

If she wants to remake Liz’s image to her own liking, then why have sex with her in her original hair?

First of all, to show the readers that the new hairstyle was just a wig. There're probably better ways to do this, but ok.
Second, maybe to symbolize the contrast between the "new" public image of Liz and her "old" true self? Who knows. We can only wait for the next chapter and hope it will shed some light on Sumire's plan.

HazmatChiefAlsimi
joined Feb 9, 2019

Oh no.

DR2 Hajime Hinata
Phoenix%20picture
joined Jul 20, 2016

so the first nsfw chapter is her cheating on Maki, that's great

White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

so the first nsfw chapter is her cheating on Maki, that's great

Wow. When you put it like that... yeah, it kinda sucks. >_<

Chinatsu%202
joined Jan 27, 2016

A lot of people. A lot. Not all.

A lot as in most people, which is why assuming the relationship is meant to be exclusive makes the most sense.

I can't believe this.
You are ardently supporting polyphobic people, homophobic people, and, in general, all majority groups who engage in minority discrimination... and, afaict, you don't even realize what you're doing.

You really need to rethink your argument. Or your worldview. Or both. Or everything.

As a non-monogamous lesbian what the hell are you even talking about? It's not bigotry to recognize that the societal standard for serious relationships is more often than not monogamy and that the best course of action is to specifically negotiate exceptions to ensure everyone is on the same page.

Images
joined Sep 30, 2018

I feel so bad for Maki and angry at Liz. She managed to hurt Maki whenever she remembers her senpai but can't do anything bad to the senpai who did the hurting, even did ecchi stuff with her! Damn, But I'm also looking forward to how this will turn out, hopefully it will be in favor of the mc. While all that tingling from the cheating stuff is still fresh, hope the next ch will be updated asap.

joined Oct 25, 2014

hopefully it will be in favor of the mc.

Rather than that, I just hope Maki finds out about the cheating and dumps Liz. It'd be pretty messed up if the plot forces Maki to be with someone who cheated on her.

last edited at Feb 10, 2020 5:13PM

Utenaanthy01
joined Aug 4, 2018

so the first nsfw chapter is her cheating on Maki, that's great

Wow. When you put it like that... yeah, it kinda sucks. >_<

I guess they're saving the big Maki/Liz sex scene for the climactic conclusion?

joined Oct 25, 2014

Maybe we'll get a Maki/Sumire sex scene instead.

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