I'm conflicted about this

On the one hand

1) Must be nice to have people just straight up buy you shit

2) That mom is a fuck face

Two completely contradicting thoughts but I feel them both.

I mean hell it could have been worse, Neeko could have had to actually deal with those fucking bastards(aka customers)

You did it Neeko!!! Almost everyone swears under their breath at work so she did good.
That milf did a good thing I think, throw them in the deep end swim or drown.... I liked the color page at the end with them playing a super nes... Even though they just got a switch....

boy was i scared , i couldnt wait for this chapters thinking how she would become a complete hikikomori if she failed or how she would grow as a person if she succeded.

Well, at least Mama Niito was aware of the huge risk she was taking and Imoko was innocent all along.

That's still a dick move from Mom. What do you mean "not any other options" ? I know you're desperate about her but baiting her like that is not the best solution and if it's the only you have come with then i'm seriously afraid. You're lucky that work this time.

What other options do you see in a country where seeking psychiatric help is a much more massive taboo than almost anywhere else, and where companies are infamous for gross mistreatment of their rank-and-file employees while comparatively coddling manager-level ones to the point that the language has a specific word for "death by overwork" and divorce almost always comes hand in hand with ruining your career prospects?

It's true that Japan has taboos against psychiatric help, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the "do it yourself" remedies that people suffering from psychological problems and their caregivers try will necessarily work. I'm in the camp that believes that Neeko being suddenly thrust into a part-time job (as a result of her mother lying to her, no less) and coming out better off for it is highly improbable, and the entire experience could very well have worsened her issues.

You do realize that Mama Niito literally admitted that she knew this ploy could've backfired majorly and was fretting over it when her daughters weren't looking, right? Also, that doesn't actually answer my question, though you're not the one I was aiming it at.

Well, at least Mama Niito was aware of the huge risk she was taking and Imoko was innocent all along.

That's still a dick move from Mom. What do you mean "not any other options" ? I know you're desperate about her but baiting her like that is not the best solution and if it's the only you have come with then i'm seriously afraid. You're lucky that work this time.

What other options do you see in a country where seeking psychiatric help is a much more massive taboo than almost anywhere else, and where companies are infamous for gross mistreatment of their rank-and-file employees while comparatively coddling manager-level ones to the point that the language has a specific word for "death by overwork" and divorce almost always comes hand in hand with ruining your career prospects?

It's true that Japan has taboos against psychiatric help, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the "do it yourself" remedies that people suffering from psychological problems and their caregivers try will necessarily work. I'm in the camp that believes that Neeko being suddenly thrust into a part-time job (as a result of her mother lying to her, no less) and coming out better off for it is highly improbable, and the entire experience could very well have worsened her issues.

You do realize that Mama Niito literally admitted that she knew this ploy could've backfired majorly and was fretting over it when her daughters weren't looking, right? Also, that doesn't actually answer my question, though you're not the one I was aiming it at.

I wasn't necessarily trying to answer the question, as much as challenge the assertion that this was the best choice available to the mother at this point; her previous efforts at getting Neeko to help out had similar benefits, with less risk of backfiring. Mama Niito did admit that there was a risk, but in the end, mainly emphasized that it had paid off.

KangaNoodles posted:

That milf did a good thing I think, throw them in the deep end swim or drown....

You know that an actual anxiety problem, as Neeko appears to have, can't simply be solved this way, right? In fact trying to do so is far more likely to make things worse. The best case scenario in such a situation is simply that it maintains the status quo.

It's interesting, as someone with relatively bad anxiety who barely functions as an adult, that the plot didn't rub me the wrong way.

But when I get kicked into doing something the initial terror almost always gives way to just...getting it done. The experience cannot be as bad as what I imagine it will be, that's what anxiety is. So if you don't just immediately spiral out of control, things will rapidly get better. At least until the next time.

Though, in my case ADHD is a major factor. So rather than my anxiety alone being super intense, its more that I can't overcome inertia and push past the immediate pain of anxiety and effort in general in pursuit of some long-term benefits (since the impairment of executive function in ADHD makes it hard to hold a realistic image of, and thus properly assess and appreciate, long-term consequences and benefits).

So yeah, this felt reasonable and true to my experience, but then, maybe it's not reasonable and true to the issues Neeko's been shown to have. I don't actually remember the finer details of her condition, to be honest.

I see a lot of people hating on the mother commenting here. Nobody seems to be trying to even think of looking at it from a parents point of view. Lot of you must be like angsty teen age or have bad relationships with their parents, which is understandable.

But has anyone here actually commented on an alternative to dealing with Neeko other than "the mom's a bitch just leave neeko alone alone"? For you people saying "oh in real life that's unacceptable, she needed some other form of help i don't really wanna specify on but certainly not trying to make her part of society", what else should they do? Should they just spoil her until they die? Then what? At that point she's all grown up and isn't equipped to sustain herself. She'll either end up like shio's mom in Happy Sugar Life or even worse Emergence level shit. I applaud the mom for always being tough and strict on Neeko, coz it's for her own good, she needs to learn to live coz even if they do spoil her, other people won't, and when they're gone, what's left for Neeko?

The whole family including the mom are actually hyper supportive compared to real world parents (for those who keep trying to compare this manga to real life) who have neet children. If you think being the mom being strict is so bad, then you guys prolly haven't seen much of the real world while simultaneously referencing the real world, which is pretty sad.

Guess every single community in the internet has toxic parts of it, even this beautiful yuri community.

Also, before you guys start spouting things like "oh, real anxiety problems need to be dealt with more cautiously", "oh in reasl life those things are too harsh they're so mean" how about in real life, you don't have infinite money to sustain a family with only one parent working, or in real life you actually age and people die eventually. Kids here commenting and taking only bits and pieces of the story and applying it to real life getting annoying af.

Also, before you guys start spouting things like "oh, real anxiety problems need to be dealt with more cautiously", "oh in reasl life those things are too harsh they're so mean" how about in real life, you don't have infinite money to sustain a family with only one parent working, or in real life you actually age and people die eventually. Kids here commenting and taking only bits and pieces of the story and applying it to real life getting annoying af.

But has anyone here actually commented on an alternative to dealing with Neeko other than "the mom's a bitch just leave neeko alone alone"?

Yes, do it gradually maybe or like i said elsewhere, still baiting with the Switch BUT tell her she had to work for it. It's a carrot and stick method and you can't do it everytime but at least that's a good start.

Guess every single community in the internet has toxic parts of it, even this beautiful yuri community.

Can't believe you're since 5 years and didn't realise it sooner.

TimSuu posted:

Also, before you guys start spouting things like "oh, real anxiety problems need to be dealt with more cautiously", "oh in reasl life those things are too harsh they're so mean" how about in real life, you don't have infinite money to sustain a family with only one parent working, or in real life you actually age and people die eventually. Kids here commenting and taking only bits and pieces of the story and applying it to real life getting annoying af.

People have repeatedly stated that the mother isn't wrong for wanting to do something about Neeko's problems but specifically how she's going about it. What she's doing is far more likely to result in it backfiring and making things worse than actually helping.

in real life you actually age and people die eventually.

Coincidentally this is also relevant. You know what happens far too often with people who struggle with severe anxiety problems and depression like Neeko does? When they're pushed too far they far too frequently attempt or succeed at committing suicide. People die eventually indeed. Sorry that some of us value someone's life more than some money. (Which her family clearly isn't terribly strapped for to begin with.)

Guess every single community in the internet has toxic parts of it, even this beautiful yuri community.

Can't believe you're since 5 years and didn't realise it sooner.

I'm personally more surprised by the poster calling people criticisms of Mama Niito's well-intentioned but morally gray ruse to get her daughter to go to work "toxic." Online discussions can get rather nasty, but so far, this is reasonable debate over whether a character's actions are right or wrong, and while I'm in the latter camp, I think there is evidence in support of both sides of the argument (which, for the record, is not "Mama Niito was right" vs. "Mama Niito should get off her daughter's back," but rather, "Mama Niito made the right decision," vs. "Mama Niito should have tried something else").

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I see a lot of people hating on the mother commenting here. Nobody seems to be trying to even think of looking at it from a parents point of view. Lot of you must be like angsty teen age or have bad relationships with their parents, which is understandable.

But has anyone here actually commented on an alternative to dealing with Neeko other than "the mom's a bitch just leave neeko alone alone"? For you people saying "oh in real life that's unacceptable, she needed some other form of help i don't really wanna specify on but certainly not trying to make her part of society", what else should they do? Should they just spoil her until they die? Then what? At that point she's all grown up and isn't equipped to sustain herself. She'll either end up like shio's mom in Happy Sugar Life or even worse Emergence level shit. I applaud the mom for always being tough and strict on Neeko, coz it's for her own good, she needs to learn to live coz even if they do spoil her, other people won't, and when they're gone, what's left for Neeko?

The whole family including the mom are actually hyper supportive compared to real world parents (for those who keep trying to compare this manga to real life) who have neet children. If you think being the mom being strict is so bad, then you guys prolly haven't seen much of the real world while simultaneously referencing the real world, which is pretty sad.

Guess every single community in the internet has toxic parts of it, even this beautiful yuri community.

as someone who has studied psychology and also has mental health first aid, I can say that all of this is wrong and very harmful. someone with General Anxiety Disorder (GAD) does not need someone forcing them into situations that cause anxiety, they need professional help.

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I don't find this very satisfying, if only because it's being presented to us as a good thing when actually it was a single round of russian roulette that went 'click'.

I know it's a naive thing to think, but I actually expected Imoko to get angry and scold her parents for pulling that dumb stunt. >_<

So Neeko is capable if she put in good conditions. See the keyword here Mom, "good condition" not tricking into something and even without any sort of explanation beforehand.

Well, while Neeko was reasonably relatable to me before, she ain't now since she is actually secretly competent...

So Neeko is capable if she put in good conditions. See the keyword here Mom, "good condition" not tricking into something and even without any sort of explanation beforehand.

That's true, but on the other hand the trick to getting back into a good condition is doing things and Neeko had been refusing to do anything. The mom took it several steps step too far, but forcing neeko to do things isn't necessarily bad.

Part of the treatment for severe depression is getting people to get out of bed, take a shower, dress, make breakfast etc.

Being on twitter all night

...

Yeah, that sounds so fun

funny how most of those neets actually can do work better or at least on the "acceptable" zone but they just dont.
Like how there were smart kids in school who just didnt study and wasted their time not because they were lazy but because they get bored of how easy the task is.

Neets dont even know how good they can be at a job until they are forced to it and there was this dude who did a better job than the other guys with years of experience , he keep saying he fucked up and went home thinking he did everything wrong when that was not the case.

I can see the manga ending with neeko being a streamer the only thing i hope for is neeko dating uri-chan

Well, while Neeko was reasonably relatable to me before, she ain't now since she is actually secretly competent...

I relate to this

funny how most of those neets actually can do work better or at least on the "acceptable" zone but they just dont.

It reeks of TVTropes' "Brilliant but Lazy"

someone with General Anxiety Disorder (GAD) does not need someone forcing them into situations that cause anxiety, they need professional help.

Professional help which is almost impossible to get in Japan. Even if you somehow circumvent the social stigma that comes from having it be known that a member of your family even has psychiatric issues, from what I gathered the field of psychiatry in Japan is seriously lagging behind most of the first world in terms of how well it actually helps its patients.

So Neeko is capable if she put in good conditions. See the keyword here Mom, "good condition" not tricking into something and even without any sort of explanation beforehand.

And doesn't deal directly with strangers much.

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