I think it's really interesting how people can hate this series so much yet still come here to complain about it at every new chapter.

I loved this chapter. Yes, Liz did screw up, but I can see this being an important part of her character development. I mean, she was treating Maki a bit like trash, but after this chapter Liz probably realized that she loved her. And also that she's not a good person herself.

Anyway, great stuff :3

For the record, I don’t hate it, not at all. I like certain aspects of it, and I’m just hoping Maki proves to not be a doormat in the end.

I’m really just waiting for the two mc’s to reach that point of change. This chapter might be that for Liz, we’ll have to see I suppose. It’s one of the few stories I’ve read where I’m not 100% rooting for or against the main pair.

With that last page, quoting "relationship between two women will never last", do you guys think that Liz is setting herself up for self sabotage? Consider she still retains some sort of trauma or belief set by her senpai back from the ol' days, in high school.

She already cheated. What else would she have to do to "self sabotage"? Unless Maki have a kink for getting cucked, Liz already ruined their relationship.

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With that last page, quoting "relationship between two women will never last", do you guys think that Liz is setting herself up for self sabotage? Consider she still retains some sort of trauma or belief set by her senpai back from the ol' days, in high school.

She already cheated. What else would she have to do to "self sabotage"? Unless Maki have a kink for getting cucked, Liz already ruined their relationship.

Sorry, I reupdated my previous post with more stuff.

But majority of you guys keep quoting that, "she cheated! She cheated!" But I did not see at any point in the story that Liz and Maki confirm that they're in an 'exclusive relationship', nor that they are now dating each other. It seems more like an ambiguous relationship with set rules, and Maki going along with Liz.

But majority of you guys keep quoting that, "she cheated! She cheated!" But I did not see at any point in the story that Liz and Maki confirm that they're in an 'exclusive relationship'

Romantic relationships are generally exclusive. That's the norm, specially in Japan. So unless there's a specific mention suggesting otherwise, I think we can safely conclude it was supposed to be exclusive. And the fact that Liz herself said "I'm the worst" further confirms that what she did was a betrayal towards Maki and she knows it.

I just hope Maki finds out so we can see some real consequence from Liz's actions. The writing has been pretty shitty lately but if Maki finds out and reacts like a normal human being, then I'll forgive it.

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Man, that toilet just keeps on overflowing and overflowing
Mind the brown tide

Maki should just run away from Liz and all her bullshit. It's not worth it.

But majority of you guys keep quoting that, "she cheated! She cheated!" But I did not see at any point in the story that Liz and Maki confirm that they're in an 'exclusive relationship'

Romantic relationships are generally exclusive. That's the norm, specially in Japan. So unless there's a specific mention suggesting otherwise, I think we can safely conclude it was supposed to be exclusive.

Mmm nope. You can't just make blanket generalizations like that.

"Something works generally in a certain way" ==> "That's the norm everyone must adhere to" is bad, flawed logic.

And the fact that Liz herself said "I'm the worst" further confirms that what she did was a betrayal towards Maki and she knows it.

Liz seems to feel that her actions could hurt Maki, that's for sure. Doesn't mean it's a breach of contract.

But I do agree that she obviously regrets what she did.

I just hope Maki finds out so we can see some real consequence from Liz's actions.

That depends on Maki's reaction if/when she finds out. And Maki's reaction is anyone's guess. I, for one, won't make any predictions.

Mmm nope. You can't just make blanket generalizations like that. "Something works generally in a certain way" ==> "That's the norm everyone must adhere to" is bad, flawed logic.

You should consider this was written from a Japanese mindset for Japanese readers. In the Western world there is a tendency to not make assumptions or generalizations about a lot of stuff, but that's a Western thing. The Japanese are not like that. Unless said otherwise, the fact that their relationship is exclusive is a given, for the readers and also for the characters themselves.

Liz seems to feel that her actions could hurt Maki, that's for sure. Doesn't mean it's a breach of contract.

There's no need for a contract. When you cheat on your girlfriend, it stands to reason you did something wrong and they're gonna be hurt if they find out. And yes, Liz consider Maki her girlfriend. In chapter 11 when Liz was looking at Maki's message on her phone and her senpai asked "is that your girlfriend?" Liz didn't deny it.

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Well, I don't see anyone else having problems understanding what was going on, so....

Yeah, cause its just another brown turd on top of the shit pile that is this manga. Plenty of other crap to complain about than focus on poor continuity in the art.

I like the part where she realizes that she is the worst. Can't wait when she continues to be an asshole to doormatt-san in the next chapter, because she feels bad. D:

I can't wait to see the discussion here turning into something like that of Netsuzou Trap...
Really looking forward to the new chapters myself

I like the part where she realizes that she is the worst. Can't wait when she continues to be an asshole to doormatt-san in the next chapter, because she feels bad. D:

Right—maybe she’ll be so ashamed and guilty at what she’s done that she’ll put Maki in the hospital.

Mannnn poor Maki =_= She's being so sweet and has no clue what shiz just went down... Keen to see what happens next!

doormat-chan gets what she deserves.

I must remember that this wild ride is from Tomoko Kuroki's VA and is her first work.

Somewhere deep down I hoped this won't led to this...
And now I am dissaponted for nex xxx months.

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I'm starting to get tired of the drama...

I just realized the only sex scene in this manga is the MC getting cucked. lol

Terrific job, Momono Moto. You really know what's up.

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Mmm nope. You can't just make blanket generalizations like that.

"Something works generally in a certain way" ==> "That's the norm everyone must adhere to" is bad, flawed logic.

You should consider this was written from a Japanese mindset for Japanese readers. In the Western world there is a tendency to not make assumptions or generalizations about a lot of stuff, but that's a Western thing. The Japanese are not like that.

I'm all for cultural specificity. I often write myself that Japan is not the West, and that you can't judge Japanese stories or characters by Western moral parameters. I've been in many a debate because of that.

But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Liz seems to feel that her actions could hurt Maki, that's for sure. Doesn't mean it's a breach of contract.

There's no need for a contract.

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Logic has nothing to do with it. It's a cultural thing. Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is exclusive unless explicitly said otherwise.

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

A contract none of them took seriously. What they did take seriously was the relationship itself, which is why when Senpai asked Liz if Maki was her girlfriend, Liz didn't deny it.

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I like the part where she realizes that she is the worst. Can't wait when she continues to be an asshole to doormat-san in the next chapter, because she feels bad. D:

Right—maybe she’ll be so ashamed and guilty at what she’s done that she’ll put Maki in the hospital.

My finely-tuned sleuth instinct makes me suspect you don't have a good opinion of Liz. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

I just realized the only sex scene in this manga is the MC getting cucked. lol

Terrific job, Momono Moto. You really know what's up.

To be fair, Momono Moto is only doing the art here; Kitta Izumi is the (first-time, as I understand it) writer.

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But logic? Nope, there are no cultural variants in logic. Reason and logic are universal.

Logic has nothing to do with it. It's a cultural thing. Any Japanese would assume a romantic relationship is exclusive unless explicitly said otherwise.

There's that blanket thing again...

This is not a question of need or lack thereof. They have a contract. Perchance you forgot?

A contract none of them took seriously. What they did take seriously was the relationship itself.

Too much headcanon, too little canon.

Wow, look at the date & time in the last messages!
We're posting a message a minute!

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There's that blanket thing again...

I just know how the average Japanese think. I'm actually have Japanese friends and have gone to Japan many times too.

Too much headcanon, too little canon.

I guess that's your way if saying you didn't pay enough attention.

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