^ Considering that even more hardline of a Midori x Manaka shipper than I am, I'm surprised that you haven't mentioned something about them in your comment.

Excuse moi? Midori x Manaka transcends sexuality and gender.
By which I mean, even if they both became straight guys, they would still be girls called Midori and Manaka. And they would still be yuri icons. Not even the narrative dictated by the author itself can affect this constant across the multiverse!

After all, Naktani does not write a story about Midori and Manaka, nay, she merely receives information from the YagaKimi verse that tells her what Midori and Manaka are actually doing. And thus she was so moved by the purity of their union that she could never misrepresent them in any way.

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The one thing that I really, really respect about this story is that the author doesn't use "labels". Not once do I remember any mention of gay, lesbian, homosexual, or even yuri. Sure, there was the occasional, "both girls," but that was it, unless the translations skipped it. (Please correct me if this is the case.) You could take either character, Yuu or Touko, change their sex, and it would still work. I'm a person who dislikes labels. I don't identify with anything, so this story has been a fantastic read for me.

Agree in regards to Touko and Yuu, the other characters (except for Riko perhaps) have their sexual orientations implied but clear enough for the reader to know even if it's not mentioned. And I think that's cool too.

^^ That's better, thank you.

Now you are just putting intentions into Touko's actions that you cannot possibly prove. There is no reason to think she doesn't want to help Yuu have good grades.

Well, if she had a choice: prepare for her exams or help Yuu and risk herself getting bad grades, and she would choose the second, that would be revealing. And so the intention to help Yuu to have good grades is also not to prove. I don't specifically expose Touko selfish, there are just things give me reason to believe that it wasn't for Yuu.
Do you remember how she ate the ice cream Yuu wanted without even asking her? ;)

We already had this discussion ages ago, matter of fact is that Touko did not intentionally overstep any boundaries and tried her hardest to make Yuu not hate her. She definitely cared about Yuu's feelings way more than you are giving her credit for here.

Because if Yuu hated her she couldn't be near her and love her. This is not "the calculation of the tricky cruel Touko", but the main reason is not in care.
She wouldn’t hurt Yuu intentionally or force to do something against her will. All she did was just ask with varying degrees of perseverance not paying attention to Yuu's wishes.

There is nothing wrong with helping someone in your own self-interest. That is just how humans work... even just wanting the other to be happy is a self-interest.

I agree. People do it because they want it. And most often they want to help those who like them and even more so want to do it for those they love. And the question is why does Touko not have a self-interest in making Yuu happy?
Love Touko shows in a strange way for me. Yuu had to work hard to get what she wanted (Touko wasn't going to give it to her) and she had to suffer for some time because of this. I know it turned out unintentionally and Touko never had the desire to hurt Yuu. She is usually tender with her and relatively caring (“relatively” because she doesn't go beyond her own interests).
Touko didn't know about Yuu's wishes. She didn’t know Yuu wanted to love, but for some reason she never asked her what she wanted. That means she wasn't interested. Not in the sense of "Touko is so terrible and she doesn't care so much about Yuu." And she just didn’t think about it, she didn't want to know and fulfill Yuu's wishes (like a Genie of the lamp :). This makes her love strange and imperfect.

On the flipside, Yuu didn't do these things just out of utalitarianism either. The reason she even agreed to this "fake relationship" with Touko was entirely selfish. She wanted to learn what love is. She used Touko's affection for that purpose. In the process she saw Touko's issues and due to their connection felt it necessary to help her.

I agree with that too. Yuu did this in her own interests. But Yuu did what she didn’t want and didn’t have much fun. She did it for a loved one. This desire is stronger than unwillingness to do anything unpleasant. I say this more about speech, joining the Student Council and the play. Touko didn't have that.

When Yuu confessed. This is the moment when she really needed a concession from Touko, so that she sacrificed her interests and at least gave Yuu a chance to love. But what did Touko do? Nothing. She didn't think she might hurt Yuu. She really didn't care about her feelings.

That's so incredibly wrong... Did you not see Touko's anguish? How she tried to reach out but couldn't? Why are you acting as if she was just callously denying Yuu's feelings because she didn't care? This was tied to her insecurities and she tried her best to figure out what to do afterwards. You suggest she just cast aside the thing that has defined her life for so long all of a sudden?
I think you're trying a bit too hard to portray Touko as intentionally cruel here.

Don't get me wrong - if according to my comments it seems that I have a bad attitude to Touko and portray her as a villain who INTENTIVELY ignores Yuu's feelings, I apologize for that. This is not true.
She is not cruel, not evil and does not want to harm anyone, especially Yuu. She doesn't ignore Yuu's feelings, she doesn't notice them and doesn't think about them. She does it not on purpose, of course.
But for me it is strange. Do not think about the feelings of the person you love. I think they love not the person, but the feeling that this person causes. It’s just that you usually want this person to be happy, because it gives you this wonderful feeling. Something like gratitude for it, you know?
Maybe this is the reason ... Touko is selfish and she has no desire to thank Yuu for the feeling she gets from interacting with her?

I don’t think that Touko is that much horrible and selfish… She showed that she cared a few times. I would say that there are different levels concerning her "selfishness".

I don't think so either. I don't even insist on my point of view as the only correct one. I just want to understand why Touko shows her love like this.

I would say that Touko's level of selfishness depends on Yuu's level of kindness. I don't think we can view these two characters separated: it's all about interactions and what they allow each other. Touko would have taken less if Yuu had given less.

If Touko weren't like that, Yuu wouldn't love her. But I think if Touko did more things for Yuu that would make Yuu happy, she would love her even faster.

I would think like you at some point though. Kinda. Touko is caring, but her emotional baggage weighed down on her love. That's all. Without it, I think she could be the kind that "wants all the best for her love". But most of the things that are "selfish" above are just either clumsiness, or due to her problems with Mio/her family. At least, that's my take on it!

And this makes her version of love far from perfect. She really loves Yuu, but not the best version of the possible versions of love.

I guess I just want to see Touko loves Yuu with the same perfect love that Yuu loves her.

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So, does Touko not hate herself anymore? Because, in my opinion, this is still an open issue.

So, does Touko not hate herself anymore? Because, in my opinion, this is still an open issue.

I'd say no, not since this.

I have a question does anyone know if their going to be a anime of Saeki Sayaka ni Tsuite? (spin-off light novel about Sayaka) Cause I think that would be great if it does.

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I have a question does anyone know if their going to be a anime of Saeki Sayaka ni Tsuite? (spin-off light novel about Sayaka) Cause I think that would be great if it does.

There hasn't even been any news about a potential season 2 of BiY. It's unlikely that the spin-off is going to be adapted when the original hasn't been given a complete adaptation.

The one thing that I really, really respect about this story is that the author doesn't use "labels". Not once do I remember any mention of gay, lesbian, homosexual, or even yuri. Sure, there was the occasional, "both girls," but that was it, unless the translations skipped it. (Please correct me if this is the case.) You could take either character, Yuu or Touko, change their sex, and it would still work. I'm a person who dislikes labels. I don't identify with anything, so this story has been a fantastic read for me.

Agree in regards to Touko and Yuu, the other characters (except for Riko perhaps) have their sexual orientations implied but clear enough for the reader to know even if it's not mentioned. And I think that's cool too.

I think part of this is the way the topic is taboo in Japanese culture. Yuri is a manga/anime genre, most Japanese people would not call a gay relationship "Yuri" unless they were an otaku that was deliberately drawing mental parallels to manga or anime. The words for gay and lesbian are also often used as slurs, in porn, and are considered impolite, so a lot of people dance around using the actual words and labels. You'll see this in manga sometimes, somebody uncouth will throw the word out casually and a more polite friend will jump on them for being uncouth and possibly embarrassing the person in question.

I have a question does anyone know if their going to be a anime of Saeki Sayaka ni Tsuite? (spin-off light novel about Sayaka) Cause I think that would be great if it does.

There hasn't even been any news about a potential season 2 of BiY. It's unlikely that the spin-off is going to be adapted when the original hasn't been given a complete adaptation.

Yes and no. I mean, it's not like companies care about integrity or completion of works. They're money machines. They make what they think will sell. If the light novels somehow got really popular and some studio thought there was a market for an anime, they'd totally just jump on it without a care. The writers might have internal discussions about how to handle the existing anime, whether to pick up where it left off and just shift the focus to Sayaka, or whether to ignore it entirely, etc. etc.

What's unlikely is that a spinoff novel would gain a bigger audience than the original work. It's not unheard of, but it is unusual. And if the spinoff novel isn't a bigger deal than the original manga, there's more money in adapting the rest of the manga than in making an anime of the spinoff.

As for whether we'll get a season 2...I think it's possible. S1 seemed to do respectably well, and it hasn't been that long since it came out. Given the timing of the end of the series, if they are working on something, the natural time to announce it would be at the end of the manga, either in the last chapter's publication or possibly in the final tank. if we haven't heard about an S2 by then, I think the odds go down a lot, because attention to the series is only going to drop after it ends.

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I have a question does anyone know if their going to be a anime of Saeki Sayaka ni Tsuite? (spin-off light novel about Sayaka) Cause I think that would be great if it does.

There's nothing about that in Animenewsnetwork, and it's usually the best place to find the lastest news, so...

The one thing that I really, really respect about this story is that the author doesn't use "labels". Not once do I remember any mention of gay, lesbian, homosexual, or even yuri. Sure, there was the occasional, "both girls," but that was it, unless the translations skipped it. (Please correct me if this is the case.) You could take either character, Yuu or Touko, change their sex, and it would still work. I'm a person who dislikes labels. I don't identify with anything, so this story has been a fantastic read for me.

Agree in regards to Touko and Yuu, the other characters (except for Riko perhaps) have their sexual orientations implied but clear enough for the reader to know even if it's not mentioned. And I think that's cool too.

I think part of this is the way the topic is taboo in Japanese culture. Yuri is a manga/anime genre, most Japanese people would not call a gay relationship "Yuri" unless they were an otaku that was deliberately drawing mental parallels to manga or anime. The words for gay and lesbian are also often used as slurs, in porn, and are considered impolite, so a lot of people dance around using the actual words and labels. You'll see this in manga sometimes, somebody uncouth will throw the word out casually and a more polite friend will jump on them for being uncouth and possibly embarrassing the person in question.

The Japanese confuse me so much. I understand what you're saying, I really do. However, they have some of the best porn in the world. I don't know where else to find futanari. So how is it, that "words" carry so much more weight than the act? It's all good, I guess, because I don't like labels anyways.

As far this story goes, I think it shows how well the artist is able to tell a more compelling story through art than dialogue.

I think part of this is the way the topic is taboo in Japanese culture. Yuri is a manga/anime genre, most Japanese people would not call a gay relationship "Yuri" unless they were an otaku that was deliberately drawing mental parallels to manga or anime. The words for gay and lesbian are also often used as slurs, in porn, and are considered impolite, so a lot of people dance around using the actual words and labels. You'll see this in manga sometimes, somebody uncouth will throw the word out casually and a more polite friend will jump on them for being uncouth and possibly embarrassing the person in question.

The Japanese confuse me so much. I understand what you're saying, I really do. However, they have some of the best porn in the world. I don't know where else to find futanari. So how is it, that "words" carry so much more weight than the act? It's all good, I guess, because I don't like labels anyways.

I don't want to get too sidetracked talking about Japanese vs Western porn, but I think both have their issues. As far as words and labels, eh, it's a double-edged sword. I understand and respect you prefer not to be labelled, but a lot of people -like- labels, because it gives them a sense of identity and helps them understand themselves and explain themselves to others. Having a label makes it easier to associate with like minded people and find media that comforts and caters to your interests. The down side is that people can use that label to other you.

When I was a kid, finding a boy attractive or exciting meant you were GAY and being GAY WAS BAD. By the time I was a teenager, I kinda had a sense that that last part was bullshit, but the first part still gave me a frame of reference for what people are talking about when they say "I'm gay" or "Chris is gay". I knew it didn't fit me, because I definitely liked girls, but when I came across bisexuality as a concept, well, it took awhile, but eventually I came to realize it wasn't a bad descriptor for me, and it allowed me to find people who are similar to me and socialize with them. I felt like my existence made a little more sense. You can call it a "label", but you could also call it an "adjective", and adjectives are helpful!

Bringing that back to the topic, I feel like that's kind of a shame for a lot of LGBT people, who don't feel like they can or should say the words that describe them because it's considered bad or rude to do so. It's like when I was a kid and I felt like "gay" was an insult and so I ignored certain feelings for a really long time.

Sometimes I see people complain about the trope of "But we're both girls?" but that kind of thinking is a byproduct, IMPO, of a society in which it's not okay to just say "I'm gay" or "I'm a lesbian" or "I'm bisexual". (Note, that isn't about -your- preference of not being labelled, mind you, I'm talking about the idea that it's not even polite to say those words)

Like, it is a not-uncommon part of queer life in japan to be attracted to the same gender and at the same time literally not know that that's an option.

As far this story goes, I think it shows how well the artist is able to tell a more compelling story through art than dialogue.

Well, I mean, the dialogue in this series is also pretty great. Yuu's breakdown of how Touko should own the fact that people respect and admire her was fantastic. I get a little misty thinking back to it.

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While I respect someone's decision not to use labels, I really can't stand the way yuri avoids them. I'm not even all that comfortable with calling someone's identity a label, it just seems so stigmatizing. Me being bi isn't a "label" any more than "skinny" is, it's just a part of who I am.

While I respect someone's decision not to use labels, I really can't stand the way yuri avoids them. I'm not even all that comfortable with calling someone's identity a label, it just seems so stigmatizing. Me being bi isn't a "label" any more than "skinny" is, it's just a part of who I am.

Exactly. It's a discriptor, not a label.
It's like not wanting to be called Homo Sapiens Sapiens, because it's a label. lol

@matsuri_wins Bloom Into You discussion 06 Jun 16:12

I was just being honest. I bet most people say these things, that they are "happy for the other person" after being rejected and the girl they like chose someone else, but it's just rationalization. The person considered you unfit for being with them, and thinks someone else is better. The message is clear, that you are not good enough for them, which is why it hurts usually.

So I'd never stick around to see the girl I'm into being all lovey dovey with someone else...At least for me it's a matter of self-respect lol Which is apparently what Sayaka lacks, since she is going to keep being friends with Touko despite crushing on the girl for what seems like years.

Only after I don't care anymore and have someone else, would I then become friends again. If I was Sayaka I would submit my StuCo resignation next day and ghost from the "friendship" :P But Bloom Into You is so extremely PC, obviously that won't happen.

Sagacious and on point as always.

While I respect someone's decision not to use labels, I really can't stand the way yuri avoids them. I'm not even all that comfortable with calling someone's identity a label, it just seems so stigmatizing. Me being bi isn't a "label" any more than "skinny" is, it's just a part of who I am.

Exactly. It's a discriptor, not a label.
It's like not wanting to be called Homo Sapiens Sapiens, because it's a label. lol

I can't disagree, but it's more of a different perspective that I take. A rose by any other name is still a rose. I just don't identify with any "labels", not identity.

In the case of Bloom into You, I do wonder if Yuu will ever admit to being homosexual or if she identifies with anything for that matter. Touko was flat out asked by Sayaka if she likes girls and her answer was vague. At this point in the story, it seems that isn't a likely topic to end the series. I, for one, hope it won't be about "coming out". That's boring. However, it was interesting to find out what Yuu's perspective of their relationship is... I laughed at the fact that she already sees them moving in together. hahaha. There's a trope. There was just one thing missing in her list of what their relationship has accomplished. And, yep BugDevil, as much as you don't like us perverted trolls starved for two girls ripping their clothes off for some down right erotic finger banging, that's what was missing and the only ending to this story that will satisfy me.

I suppose you have a label or two for me. ;P

SATOU YOU STUPID BITCH DON'T GET THAT DAMN RING

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OHHH MY GOOOOOOOOOD

Sagacious and on point as always.

Ouch. Don't have to go all sarcastic on her. That's my job.

I can't disagree, but it's more of a different perspective that I take. A rose by any other name is still a rose. I just don't identify with any "labels", not identity.

In the case of Bloom into You, I do wonder if Yuu will ever admit to being homosexual or if she identifies with anything for that matter. Touko was flat out asked by Sayaka if she likes girls and her answer was vague. At this point in the story, it seems that isn't a likely topic to end the series. I, for one, hope it won't be about "coming out". That's boring. However, it was interesting to find out what Yuu's perspective of their relationship is... I laughed at the fact that she already sees them moving in together. hahaha. There's a trope. There was just one thing missing in her list of what their relationship has accomplished. And, yep BugDevil, as much as you don't like us perverted trolls starved for two girls ripping their clothes off for some down right erotic finger banging, that's what was missing and the only ending to this story that will satisfy me.

I suppose you have a label or two for me. ;P

There aren't a whole lotta options for Yuu to pick and I don't really care whether she is Bisexual or a full lesbian. Same for Touko. That's as far as the "not caring for labels" sentiment reciprocates for me. In this context it hardly matters much. Should they ever break up, then the hard questions may return.

Oh you pervy perv pervster you. You can always keep dreaming I guess. But you'e kinda dooming yourself to an unfulfilling ending then. :P

EDIT: However if you need to feed that forbidden craving, I was just made awares by my sources that there is in fact a YagaKimi ero doujin now. I can only imagine how bad it would be, so I'll certainly stay away from it tho.

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@LesbianPirate
I think you got the wrong forum???

^ Happy Sugar Life crowd finally lost it

I still cannot believe that this wonderful series is coming to an end soon

^ Happy Sugar Life crowd finally lost it

Rather overdue, I would say.

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EDIT: However if you need to feed that forbidden craving, I was just made awares by my sources that there is in fact a YagaKimi ero doujin now.

That seems rather overdue as well.

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I haven't read the Sayaka novel yet (I'm really not that invested with her) but for those who did, do you think there's a possibility that she might get her own post ending continuation/spin off ? because Yuu's story is coming to an end but I'm pretty sure a lot of readers want a happy ending for Sayaka too.

And I don't know if this novel is just about the past and only one chapter or if there's hint for more.

PS The novel has been translated by Rainy devils in spanish just in case you're curious and know the language

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