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Wow, I like the change in Yuu. Never making any decisions and just following her friends, to understanding she's the one in control of her destiny. I like how the author used an intimate scene to show her transformation. It made it mean so much more than just gratuitous sex.
This has been such a good read. I wonder if the author will leave us with a cliffhanger... hehehe.
OK People!!! We cannot have Touko and Yuu come out to their families! Why? Because they wouldn't allow sleepovers!! Hello!!
While I respect someone's decision not to use labels, I really can't stand the way yuri avoids them. I'm not even all that comfortable with calling someone's identity a label, it just seems so stigmatizing. Me being bi isn't a "label" any more than "skinny" is, it's just a part of who I am.
Exactly. It's a discriptor, not a label.
It's like not wanting to be called Homo Sapiens Sapiens, because it's a label. lol
I can't disagree, but it's more of a different perspective that I take. A rose by any other name is still a rose. I just don't identify with any "labels", not identity.
In the case of Bloom into You, I do wonder if Yuu will ever admit to being homosexual or if she identifies with anything for that matter. Touko was flat out asked by Sayaka if she likes girls and her answer was vague. At this point in the story, it seems that isn't a likely topic to end the series. I, for one, hope it won't be about "coming out". That's boring. However, it was interesting to find out what Yuu's perspective of their relationship is... I laughed at the fact that she already sees them moving in together. hahaha. There's a trope. There was just one thing missing in her list of what their relationship has accomplished. And, yep BugDevil, as much as you don't like us perverted trolls starved for two girls ripping their clothes off for some down right erotic finger banging, that's what was missing and the only ending to this story that will satisfy me.
I suppose you have a label or two for me. ;P
The one thing that I really, really respect about this story is that the author doesn't use "labels". Not once do I remember any mention of gay, lesbian, homosexual, or even yuri. Sure, there was the occasional, "both girls," but that was it, unless the translations skipped it. (Please correct me if this is the case.) You could take either character, Yuu or Touko, change their sex, and it would still work. I'm a person who dislikes labels. I don't identify with anything, so this story has been a fantastic read for me.
Agree in regards to Touko and Yuu, the other characters (except for Riko perhaps) have their sexual orientations implied but clear enough for the reader to know even if it's not mentioned. And I think that's cool too.
I think part of this is the way the topic is taboo in Japanese culture. Yuri is a manga/anime genre, most Japanese people would not call a gay relationship "Yuri" unless they were an otaku that was deliberately drawing mental parallels to manga or anime. The words for gay and lesbian are also often used as slurs, in porn, and are considered impolite, so a lot of people dance around using the actual words and labels. You'll see this in manga sometimes, somebody uncouth will throw the word out casually and a more polite friend will jump on them for being uncouth and possibly embarrassing the person in question.
The Japanese confuse me so much. I understand what you're saying, I really do. However, they have some of the best porn in the world. I don't know where else to find futanari. So how is it, that "words" carry so much more weight than the act? It's all good, I guess, because I don't like labels anyways.
As far this story goes, I think it shows how well the artist is able to tell a more compelling story through art than dialogue.
So, does Touko not hate herself anymore? Because, in my opinion, this is still an open issue.
The one thing that I really, really respect about this story is that the author doesn't use "labels". Not once do I remember any mention of gay, lesbian, homosexual, or even yuri. Sure, there was the occasional, "both girls," but that was it, unless the translations skipped it. (Please correct me if this is the case.) You could take either character, Yuu or Touko, change their sex, and it would still work. I'm a person who dislikes labels. I don't identify with anything, so this story has been a fantastic read for me.
This is probably going to end up long but I just need to write to explain my thinking. In the recently translated Chapter 36, it left me actually feeling scared that the relationship is going to shift from Yuu/Touko over to Sayaka/Touko and I don't entirely understand myself where it is coming from. I know the story so far has been completely surrounded around the relationship between Touko and Yuu which is originally where I thought this fear came from but as I thought about it I don't think that is the actual origin. Sayaka completely deserves the chance to have a relationship with Touko as she has been holding on to feelings for Touko for much longer than Yuu has been and she is just as capable of being a great lover for Touko as Yuu is which I think is part of it for me. The possibility is there and it both makes sense and would be deserved. I think the other part that scares me though is I myself am just like Yuu was, I don't know what "love" is. I've never felt it myself, just seen it around me and longed for it so this probably creates a connection to her for me. I started reading different kinds of romance, be it hetorosexual or yuri they are both just "love" to me. (Admittedly I've never really came to enjoy yaoi though but I think that just comes out of the nature of liking cute things rather than the nature of the relationship) This is getting on a tangent, I read them out of curiosity of what this "love" is and to find a series with a character that is the same as me I think I grew attached to Yuu and really cheered for her with full sincerity. More than just that though, I feel like Yuu (thought I guess me accurately Nakatani Noi maybe) taught me what love is. What it feels like, how it grows. I've bought the hardcopy version of the entire series so far, it is actually the first manga series I've felt like I needed to buy, and I just want Yuu to experience full requisite love. I'm sorry if anyone find this weird or confusing but I've just been confused about this feeling myself and I just wanted to write it all out. Thank you Nakatani Noi for creating such a great story if you see this.
Well, that's a part of the drama, isn't it? Seems you're right where you should be in the sense of this story. There's definitely differences between Yuu and Sayaka in Touko's eyes. We have to wait to see how Touko will react IF Sayaka confesses.
Does Sayaka deserve a chance with Touko? Sure, but as second place? My personal feelings, I think she deserves better. Only thing I know for sure, is that I haven't been able to guess correctly any part of this story, which makes it great.
You will get a few replies from this forum. But, if you want Nakatani to know, you should writer her directly.
Yep... Let it be known... I love Sayaka!!
Sayaka may not be approachable. Where as, Touko is and that's why she gets all the confessions. But, you're right, I don't think that history has any bearing on the main story. Only one confession from Sayaka's past is important.
Oh, and the kiss between Riko and Miyako was stretched out a bit in the anime.
It's okay to love her, just don't overestimate her because of that.
There will be a second important confession soon, only this time it's the other way around haha
Stretched out, really? It was like 3 seconds. That scene was incredibly quick actually, especially compared to the train kiss from episode 2 lol
hahahaha! Well, if you count their feet shot... it's a tad bit longer... but, in all fairness, I re-watched the episode and it wasn't as long as I remembered. lol
I can't help but to overestimate Sayaka. Where's her flaw? (Other than loving Touko.) She isn't the conventional antagonist, but I think we can say that we are afraid of her next step.
The next episode will include Sayaka's "coming out"... so to speak (according to YagaKimi tweet).. I wonder if they'll include how many confessions that she's turned down since she's been at this school... I mean, she's apparently just as hot as Touko and just as smart if not smarter... It seems she doesn't really need to try. In fact, I find her perfect. Which, probably the reason the whole school ships these two even if it's for fun.
Hm? I don't remember that being addressed in the manga. I wouldn't find it out of the ordinary, but was it ever addressed that Sayaka also got lots of confessions? I somehow doubt it. If the anime were to add that, it would kind of interfere with her character arc anyway.
You seem to idolize Sayaka a bit there. Sayaka is being presented as very studious, yet she still always loses to Touko, so she is definitely not smarter. And how many characters have actually complimented her on being hot or pretty aside from Doujima who thinks any girl that looks his way is a 10? lol
Yep... Let it be known... I love Sayaka!!
Sayaka may not be approachable. Where as, Touko is and that's why she gets all the confessions. But, you're right, I don't think that history has any bearing on the main story. Only one confession from Sayaka's past is important.
Oh, and the kiss between Riko and Miyako was stretched out a bit in the anime.
The next episode will include Sayaka's "coming out"... so to speak (according to YagaKimi tweet).. I wonder if they'll include how many confessions that she's turned down since she's been at this school... I mean, she's apparently just as hot as Touko and just as smart if not smarter... It seems she doesn't really need to try. In fact, I find her perfect. Which, probably the reason the whole school ships these two even if it's for fun.
The anime is explaining things. :)
I love the two adults. Such cute. Also really adorable having Sayaka see her own future happiness through those two.
That was my impression of Sayaka's reaction to the adult couple. Love between two girls doesn't have to end at high school graduation. It can be a reality. I believe the thought of this helps Sayaka hold her head up regarding her future.
So I just noticed something. There is a big problem with the Dub version of the anime. They localized it to using first names. Problem is the series has two specific chapter 11 and 12 about them switching to using first names along with people making a issue of it.
God, I hate translators who do that. It's such a pointless adaptation to make… It's not even like first/last-name basis is something completely foreign to Westerners; back in middle school, me and my friends routinely called each other by our last names.
The only thing I can think why they did this, is that they think that westerners won't get it. So, they'll have Touko call Yuu, something endearing... like, "Hon", "sweetie", or "dear"... But, that would be dumb as well.
When Sayaka asked Yuu if she loved Touko, Yuu didn’t answer. Sayaka is surprised that Touko is now being so emotionally open with her classmates, so it’s unlikely that she would suspect how romantic (or perhaps “romanticized”) the Tokyo/Yuu relationship has been. I think she just sees that Touko might now be in a psychological position to accept someone’s love, and is thinking of going for it. But a positive response to a Sayaka confession really would make a hash out of everything that’s come before.
This is what I understood from the new chapter. However, from the cafe scene when they get interrupted, Sayaka may still have reservations on confessing. Unfortunately, they were interrupted and Sayaka never finished her thought. So, we don't know if the "but..." means she suspects something between Touko and Yuu, or something along the lines of Touko not into girls. But, this is just me conjecturing an obvious question.
Considering Sayaka has a spin-off scheduled which hopefully gives her a happy ending,
That makes me incredibly happy and hopeful if true because I like Sayaka. Where did you read this? That said, Sayaka can still have an optimistic if not happy ending in this series as well. I don't think happiness needs to be defined by her having a romantic partner.
oh, I forgot. The yagakimi twitter account tweeted the spin-off novel about Sayaka going on sale on Nov 10. The cover is a picture of Sayaka in her middle school uniform. It's not written by Nakatani, but she did the illustrations.
I really like Sayaka, and I'm afraid for her. From Nakatani's other works, I find her stories not be waltzes in the valley of daisies and eternal sunshine.
Aside from a few doujin, her official works haven't been tragic as far as I know. And if Sayaka suffered any serious physical injuries, especially death or even a close call could do it, Touko may regress to an even worse state than she was in before meeting Yuu. It would also be the third time Nakatani used a car related accident in her stories.
ooh, can you direct me to her other official work? I've only read what's on this sight, and what I've been able to purchase on doujinrepublic.com.
As for Sayaka crossing the street, and given how much symbolism is used in this story, it may be foreshadowing Sayaka's choice or only option to take a different path in life apart from Touko. Sayaka has believed with conviction that she'll always be by Touko's side, but learning that Touko loves Yuu, which is likely, she'll have to rethink things.
The play may have foreshadowed that Touko will have to decide if she can continue loving Yuu even if Yuu is seemingly different. Can she love Yuu if Yuu is no longer the person she thought her to be? And I think that if anything horrible happens to Sayaka, Touko would likely be unable to focus on recovering from that while working things out with Yuu.
That said, Yuu and Touko may not be a sure thing anyway, there's that optimistic clause in the romance genre. If Yuu and Touko learn important lessons, share their love for each other and part amicably, that's still a romance. There are many things I like about Bloom into You, and one of those is that the story gives no presumable absolutes beyond a tragic ending if it truly is a romance.
Woah, I never meant the accident to be taken literally. It is all about her heart being crushed. I agree with you that it is foreshadowing. To what? I have no idea. Seriously, I think I'm the one that's going to get hit by a bus, because my mind seems to go to dark places when it comes to romance. All in all, I agree with what you say. And, when it comes to Nakatani's writing, I know I'll be satisfied in the end.
^ If there was anyone here being serious about Sayaka possibly getting hit by a truck, It’s news to me.
I saw nothing but the obvious joke: raws end with Sayaka crossing a street + Touko’s trauma starts with her sister dying in vehicular accident = people in this story better watch it crossing the street!
I believe somebody made the same joke when Yuu ran off after confessing to Touko—it’s only funny because that’s so totally not how this story rolls.
Yeah, it was a joke and a metaphor at the same time. I really like Sayaka, and I'm afraid for her. From Nakatani's other works, I find her stories not be waltzes in the valley of daisies and eternal sunshine. With that said, happiness in the end does occur. It's just not the cliche "happy ever after". So, I'm bracing myself for a bit of heartache regarding Sayaka.
Touko is like a mild case of that I'd say; Mei from Citrus is a really intense case to the point of becoming more like a caricature as the series went on lol.
I really don't want that comparison...
The "cure" is to basically be with a healthy person long enough to feel secure. I think Yuu is a great candidate, but there is the issue of who would take the first step to mend things.
Ah, I can definitely see Touko making the first step... but then again, did she already try when she accompanied Yuu to the faculty room? That attempt was shot down, which lead her to ponder the confession. Then, there's more within Ch 36... but there's no Yuu in Ch 36, so to say Touko will be the first to try to reconcile is a bit hasty Plus, I still want tears from one of them at least... Am I being a bit too sappy by saying that? I feed off of tears that turn to joy...
I think I've finally realized what everyone has been trying to explain here regarding "true love" between Touko and Yuu. I'll admit, I am dense. So, thank you all for commenting on the subject. See, I realized that true love can exist even with an imperfect view of it. I think that our hearts and minds aren't initially on the same page, especially when romantic love is a new experience. Touko's mind is logical, so she may put harsh conditions on love in order to define it. Where as Yuu's mind sees love as a fantasy or drama, thus she defines love with euphoria or tears. Let me know if I'm still missing the point, but I believe I'm definitely closer to it.
As for the next chapter... I have to make this comment. I can no longer wait... regarding the last page, a dark cloud came over me and I said to myself, "Oh Sayaka, look both ways before crossing.." Then I had a morbid thought of a bus running a red light and hitting Sayaka just like in Final Destination, but in this one you see the bus driver is an oblivious Touko... Can't help where my mind goes
Yes! We need the nutshell interpretation of the facts here, just like in Citrus.
bwahahahahaha!!! Oh my side...
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Meanwhile, while neither arom or ace, I am overwhelmingly more into romance than sex. Part of the explanation is that I already got a GF, but that's not the whole thing.Women are too much work vietnam flasback to ex.
I'll drink to that!! Not that I'm celebrating your girl ptsd...
Also, if you ask me, I'd say that for someone to be aromantic but not asexual is weirder than the other way around. But that may be just my preconceptions.
Well, I'm not aro but, I'm significantly more interested in sex than in a romantic relationship, so I could understand someone being aro but not ace.
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Can't wait for the new chapter to be dropped. I just went over the raws and I want to discuss it.
Have you guys ever gotten on discord? I saw a thread with the "Dynasty Discord" title. Just wondering, because I think it would be interesting to hear the back and forth from you guys.
Notice, by the way, that Touko actually likes taking criticism in the theater group; since she's the most inexperienced, nobody expects her to be perfect, including herself.
Just another indication that she's a nice, talented chick with some notable hangups she needs to deal with, not a psychological time bomb. (I'd say that she was a bit of that, but Yuu helped defuse her.)
I agree. I don't find Touko a narcissist or any part of it. She's not trying to be "perfect" for the sake of people liking her as Touko, but her sister. This is how she viewed her sister. This is how she thought her sister was liked by others. This is who she was told to be like after her sister's death. Otherwise, she wouldn't care if people fell in love with her, and there would be no story here.