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Ava
joined Jul 16, 2013

What a very wholesome and healthy relationship.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

Well that was something I guess, someone really needs to take box cutters away from teenagers lately (between this and Dear Flowers)

RadiosAreObsolete
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joined Mar 6, 2021

The bullying was so absurd it completely took me out of the story. Even setting aside the surreal idealisation of the president (which is such an overused trope in yuri that I've reached the point where I just skip any panels like the last one here), harassing someone to the point of threatening them with a cutter just because they forgot some flower arrangements? In what world would that ever happen?

The relationship between the main pair was interesting, but the rest kind of ruined it for me. It would've been a lot more believable and enjoyable if they had removed or toned down some of these elements.

Mika-icon
joined Jan 31, 2013

What is fiction good for if you can't say "wouldn't this be fucked up" and run with it once in a while.
That is to say, this was pretty fucked up lol (neutral statement, I don't read enough toxic yuri to properly judge, although the bullying and student president worship was pretty extreme)

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joined Aug 14, 2020

Ayo this school got some bigger problems if they're treating the class prez like some kinda deity. Feel like everyone there should be sent to the counselor. Or just therapy in general.

joined Feb 22, 2018

This is what dystopia looks like.

Pp
joined May 30, 2025

I love me some toxic yuri

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joined Sep 21, 2019

The bullying was so absurd it completely took me out of the story. Even setting aside the surreal idealisation of the president (which is such an overused trope in yuri that I've reached the point where I just skip any panels like the last one here), harassing someone to the point of threatening them with a cutter just because they forgot some flower arrangements? In what world would that ever happen?

I'm nearly positive this was wholly arranged by the vice-prez. Not the initial bullying, no, but the box cutter part? Absolutely.

last edited at Sep 2, 2025 4:42PM

joined Jul 2, 2025

oh i remember this. very ugly but beautiful at the same time. reminds me of kashikaze’s latest oneshot

Gt00pn-odpc
joined Sep 30, 2017

The bullying was so absurd it completely took me out of the story. Even setting aside the surreal idealisation of the president (which is such an overused trope in yuri that I've reached the point where I just skip any panels like the last one here), harassing someone to the point of threatening them with a cutter just because they forgot some flower arrangements? In what world would that ever happen?

The relationship between the main pair was interesting, but the rest kind of ruined it for me. It would've been a lot more believable and enjoyable if they had removed or toned down some of these elements.

Agreed. It completely made me lose interest in the rest of the story and the couple relationship and I was only interested in how that bullying situation would be dealt with.

Once I saw both girls got transfered I didn't even bother reading the rest...

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Well, damn...

Nyarin
joined Mar 20, 2012

Toxic yuri and BDSM?! What a treat!

Avatar
joined Aug 29, 2019

Mmmh messy. Good.

Ewe
joined Jan 22, 2017

Imagine cutting someone up over some flowers. This feels just miserable.

Heres%20wakasa
joined Jul 28, 2016

The bullying was so absurd it completely took me out of the story. Even setting aside the surreal idealisation of the president (which is such an overused trope in yuri that I've reached the point where I just skip any panels like the last one here), harassing someone to the point of threatening them with a cutter just because they forgot some flower arrangements? In what world would that ever happen?

I'm nearly positive this was wholly arranged by the vice-prez. Not the initial bullying, no, but the box cutter part? Absolutely.

That girl with the box cutter does say that the Vice Prez told her that the president trusted the girl being attacked to order the flowers and then she didn’t. I thought she said the Vice Prez also told her she messed up on purpose, but she might have been talking about just the first part. Though, at any rate, I agree that the Vice Prez definitely arranged that part.

joined Jun 11, 2021

it's hard to susped my disbelief far enough to get invested in this kind of ridiculous premise, but i can't deny i love some mind break bdsm yuri so... the ends justify the means i suppose lmao

RadiosAreObsolete
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joined Mar 6, 2021

The bullying was so absurd it completely took me out of the story. Even setting aside the surreal idealisation of the president (which is such an overused trope in yuri that I've reached the point where I just skip any panels like the last one here), harassing someone to the point of threatening them with a cutter just because they forgot some flower arrangements? In what world would that ever happen?

I'm nearly positive this was wholly arranged by the vice-prez. Not the initial bullying, no, but the box cutter part? Absolutely.

That girl with the box cutter does say that the Vice Prez told her that the president trusted the girl being attacked to order the flowers and then she didn’t. I thought she said the Vice Prez also told her she messed up on purpose, but she might have been talking about just the first part. Though, at any rate, I agree that the Vice Prez definitely arranged that part.

As I understand it, the vice president only lied about who was responsible for the mistake (and indeed claimed that it was done on purpose). And then this girl decided to avenge the president because she was "disrespected". Even if vice prez was intentionally trying to stir up trouble, there is no indication that box cutter girl wasn't the one who decided to bring a box cutter. Anyway, regardless of who "arranged" the bullying, it's still ridiculous that anyone would go through with it.

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joined Nov 25, 2023

yeah i definitely think vice prez was orchestrating this whole thing all along. she saw her opportunity and took advantage of the prez's honesty and circumstances (her family's reaction). she manipulated the other students to frame the other girl to keep prez "safe" socially, but in reality to lure her further into her control with guilt and blackmail. prez's response then feels extra fucked up, like stockholm syndrome ish. it's honestly pretty much yandere? if we go by tropes. she wanted to own her and, like a predator, laid her trap. this was like incredibly clear to me, especially with the smaller clues they kept dropping.

it is incredibly dramatic. but it isn't "about" the flowers, those are just the excuse. vice prez also took advantage of the student mob's potential for cruelty. and speaking generally, teenagers absolutely can be that cruel for reasons that stupid. i mean, even adults? if someone is kicked out of the in-group, then punishing them becomes a show of group loyalty. it's like twitter callouts of normal people and artists, you know? humans are terrible.

Kiarabg
joined Sep 6, 2018

The bullying was so absurd it completely took me out of the story. Even setting aside the surreal idealisation of the president (which is such an overused trope in yuri that I've reached the point where I just skip any panels like the last one here), harassing someone to the point of threatening them with a cutter just because they forgot some flower arrangements? In what world would that ever happen?

The relationship between the main pair was interesting, but the rest kind of ruined it for me. It would've been a lot more believable and enjoyable if they had removed or toned down some of these elements.

Agreed. It completely made me lose interest in the rest of the story and the couple relationship and I was only interested in how that bullying situation would be dealt with.

Once I saw both girls got transfered I didn't even bother reading the rest...

I can totally see how it might mess with someone’s enjoyment of the yuri, yeah. For my part, I really liked that side of things. It really made me think, entropy being what it is, to maintain an image of perfection in light of a mistake would require a huge and seemingly disproportionate expenditure of energy. And in such a case, perhaps a harmless mistake requires the sacrifice of life stability and all reputation of some less powerful people. It’s horrific for the MC, who thus far has relied on her own honest effort, but it must be routine for people like her father working with larger and larger systems it must be routine.

To me it demonstrates the brittleness of the kind of perfection that can tolerate no blemishes, which is common to purity cultures like religious organizations and other groups that ask (or demand) the impossible from individuals. It’s a demand for a type of unreality, an inhumanity, that must be traded for with something else: an unstable kind of dynamic equilibrium.

I like how the President’s instinct was to instead own up to her mistakes and accept fault when she saw those consequences, to embody another model of virtue—the normal person who tries her hardest, who is very competent but sometimes makes mistakes and owns up to them. It’s a much more stable and healthy position to be in. Someone who isn’t apart from others, but is aspirational, rather than inspirational.

But the people around her didn’t want that kind of idol, and the VP realized it. The loss of a purity idol is also a blow to the self-regard of a purity culture, and the rich girl school they’re at seems to be one of those. Just as she gave the President an easy out to not speak up before, now she gives the rest of their little society an easier story than believing their idol has been tarnished—it was just someone else’s fault. Now they are the ones creating a reality with the President is perfect, and she alone isn’t strong enough to fight against that collective demand for narrative. She’s trapped in it. And of course that means she’s stuck in a world where her human side is inconvenient to others, so the VP is the only one who can see it.

And then, there you have it: a dynamic equilibrium made static, bought at the cost of blood for stability. Plenty of toxic cultures have that structure.

It’s really interesting from that perspective. I would have liked some more emotional realism or commentary on the human condition in the VP, but I think as it stands it’s quite interesting to me. Not a fave, but I got something from it.

Img_5712
joined Jan 3, 2022

Do we have a toxicity tag or smthn LOL?
Girl got mind broke and manipulated into this relationship— isn’t BDSM supposed to be consensual? I’m prolly just overthinking thinking…

joined Jul 26, 2024

What is fiction good for if you can't say "wouldn't this be fucked up" and run with it once in a while.
That is to say, this was pretty fucked up lol (neutral statement, I don't read enough toxic yuri to properly judge, although the bullying and student president worship was pretty extreme)

Nobody peed themselves or received piercings, so it's pretty mild as these things go. Either that or there's a bias in the type of comics I read.

I agree with others that the character reactions were exaggerated, but I would attribute that to a combination of the story style and its one shot nature. Imagine that, in an earlier chapter that, the narrative establishes that the president has crazy fans or that the bullied girl has crazy enemies, one of whom likes to carry around box cutters. The events of the story would follow more naturally.

Destroy It All and Love Me in Hell! has a lot of events that are on this level. Since the events have more set up and everyone is consistently behaving in a dramatic way, no one really questions it anymore. I'm sure those who didn't enjoy that type of narrative also stopped reading.

Img_3131
joined Nov 25, 2023

Do we have a toxicity tag or smthn LOL?
Girl got mind broke and manipulated into this relationship— isn’t BDSM supposed to be consensual? I’m prolly just overthinking thinking…

no this was my thought too. this honestly should have a yandere tag or something imo. do we have anything for emotional abuse, maybe?

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

Do we have a toxicity tag or smthn LOL?
Girl got mind broke and manipulated into this relationship— isn’t BDSM supposed to be consensual? I’m prolly just overthinking thinking…

no this was my thought too. this honestly should have a yandere tag or something imo. do we have anything for emotional abuse, maybe?

Dynasty needs more tags in general, there's at least a handful of tags that would be helpful for content warnings.

Ebk63ajwkaeu2_4_1
joined Aug 1, 2020

Damn fuck. I only read the first comment before reading the manga. Should've read further down. Even the title fooled me.

I thought it would be good. -_- This isn't the BDSM I want. This is just manipulation.

last edited at Sep 2, 2025 9:28PM

joined Jan 14, 2020

Nobody peed themselves or received piercings, so it's pretty mild as these things go. Either that or there's a bias in the type of comics I read.

Pres is showing a chest scar at the end.

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