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joined Jun 19, 2020

God's Dang it- this is my least favorite trope.
Let's hope it's not a very long arc and they kiss and make up

last edited at Jul 27, 2025 5:56PM

Yipeevois
joined Nov 29, 2022

the girls are fighting

The YuriWitch
Ricowow
joined Dec 23, 2020

Ouch...that's not good.

What's the play, Evie?

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joined Oct 13, 2014

God's Dang it- this is my least favorite trope.
Let's hope it's not a very long arc and they kiss and make up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH6-8DR2AyA

DschingisKhan
Khancrop
joined Feb 18, 2013

Ah fuck, I hope this doesn't last long. I feel like Elsa needs to have her own chat with Dorothee...

But also, if Elsa knows as much as she thinks, then she should understand how hard Yvonne fought to just let Elsa be happy and it was Elsa who pushed her way into Evie's life and heart.

joined Mar 23, 2022

Daymmm an inevitable phase , LQ arc letsss gooo.T-T

joined May 9, 2017

Can't blame Elsa for her reaction, and it's totally understandable that Yvonne hide it from her as well. I think what hurts Elsa the most is more about coming to the realization that Yvonne was not her destined soul, because it's what gave her strength all of those years.

But I think she will come to realize that without that fake destiny, she wouldn't have fought so hard to be with Yvonne and in the end, this is what she truely wanted. It's only because she wanted her that she thought she was her destined soulmate. So in a way, that fake destiny was her own way of giving her strength to pursue her. I find it even more romantic :)

I don't think the angst will last long, but Elsa definitely needs time to herself to sort out what she just learned.

Img_5712
joined Jan 3, 2022

I guess Elsa could see what was happening, but not read the thoughts of the future one? Because if she could she would be way more shocked.

Given how Dorothee said Elsa was “sleeping” in chapter 120, im assuming that they just told her beforehand the real purpose of the potion

But if Elsa DID see and hear everything, then uh… that takes away a lot of the second hand stress I felt about it lol

Well I take back not stressing— for some reason I didn’t consider how Elsa would feel about having such a huge secret be kept from her—

Maybe I’m coping, but I feel like Elsa switching up was… idk like… random? Out of nowhere?

I mean, Elsa was fine when she woke up, blushing at the hug and stuff but when Evie was gonna tell her, she gets serious? Idk I think I’m fr just coping

Also, Elsa didn’t even tell Evie about meeting with Dorothee either + the fact that Evie was gonna open up MUST mean something!? Like, genuinely, this was prolly the best time to explain it to her

And like, the “she understands you better than I do” comment makes no sense! Dorothee literally went off on Evie for caring about her if she disappeared when they shared zero memories together— if they share zero memories, then she wouldn’t be able to understand Evie better— or maybe I’m high on copium

I’m fr thinking that this could be a plan, to push Evie away so she can focus fully on derailin the plot of the story

Also, how tf is Elsa gonna keep up the act of her being strong if she fr can’t replicate that lvl of skill? She can’t just chug a potion if she’s challenged on the spot—

Anyways— it looked like Elsa was really hurt breaking things off so maybe it’s part of a scheme?? And although she’s hurt by the lack of transparency, it mainly an excuse to step away from Evie?!

;-;

Wtfsakura
joined Nov 5, 2017

But were those Evies her reincarnated self (or other people who reincarnated) dying over and over or the Evie from the routes of the game that didn’t have the awareness that this Evie has?

Yeah, that's been bugging me, too. At some point, Dorothee found out that the world has a narrative, and even talked about it in terms that Yvonne would only really comprehend as a transmigrator. Did she figure that out on her own? Did some past Yvonne tell her? ...Is it possible that she's ALSO a transmigrator?

IIRC, wasn't Dorothe, the one that "sealed"(or at least helped) the Villainesse system in Yvone ? This may be the reason she know that this Yvone is different , and it may also be that This actual Yvone do behave differently her own Yvone.

Darkbeetlebot
Lucyiconcirclesmall
joined Jul 3, 2025

Am I the only one who felt that this entire chapter felt like, really contrived? I got about halfway through and immediately groaned upon realizing where it was going. Fucking third act misunderstanding. Like, okay, I can buy that she'd feel bad about things being kept a secret, but like? talk? to each other? don't just walk away? try listening? We have enough conflicts going on at once without this, I'm starting to lose track of everything.

Enanano
joined Oct 16, 2020

pls dont break up

joined Dec 7, 2022

I know I'm basically asking for spoilers, but without being too spoilery can someone please tell me if Elsa gets mad at Yvonne for a similar reason in the novel? It feels like forced drama for the sake of creating drama. Elsa was already aware at Dorothee but continued to treat Yvonne normally until JUST now? And Elsa has been secretly frustrated/mad at Yvonne for keeping this secret for how long and is only now asking for space...?

I guess teenagers are gonna be teenagers, but feels out of character for them.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Well, damn, this sure took a turn for the worse. And while Elsa's right to an extent, of course, for a long time Evie didn't even know who she was dealing with, nor did she trust her. Or, for that matter, know about the time travel shenanigans until after it happened from her perspective.

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joined Apr 19, 2018

This wasn't even a predetermined staged act thingy
If anything this goes against the plot of Elsa falling for a male lead. And Eve always tried to push her away it was Elsa who captured Evie.
If anything it would be equally as possible for Elsa to be in cahoots with the future witch to win over Evie

This is so dumb

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joined Oct 9, 2022

NOOOOOOOOOO

Someroughclipping
joined Aug 28, 2019

Girl, you're the one that was always trying to be in her life.

I can't with this. And didn't Elsa also keep secrets and do things that Evie didn't approve of. I think I'll let it go a few chapters before I start reading again. I'd like to skip this forced trope.

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joined May 11, 2025

Forced drama time yay.. God this manga has been falling off a cliff recently.

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Good. Talking things through should help solve this silly problem.

joined Mar 23, 2022

Yesssss communication is the keyyyyy

Gt00pn-odpc
joined Sep 30, 2017

Elsa is not backing down. Good for her to show her affection towards Evie is not unconditional. Set some boundaries, but then communicate.

Edit: I dunno why people are so pressed about this. You guys really expect their relationship to be just perfect with butterflies and lollipops and no conflicts? Sorry to tell you, but that's not how relationships work...

last edited at Aug 17, 2025 2:48PM

joined Jul 2, 2025

this series defo took a different direction recently… perhaps too early to tell but idk, not really feeling this new vibe

543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

Elsa is not backing down. Good for her to show her affection towards Evie is not unconditional. Set some boundaries, but then communicate.

Edit: I dunno why people are so pressed about this. You guys really expect their relationship to be just perfect with butterflies and lollipops and no conflicts? Sorry to tell you, but that's not how relationships work...

Yeah, that's always the reaction to this kind of thing. But I agree, she needed some backbone eventually and those lies caught up. She never told her about her past, reincarnation or anything. That needed to be dealt with. I like it. Even if I think the intensity is a bit too much too quickly, the general idea works and was a long time coming.

This should give them a good opportunity to clear the air. It's funny because "I'm In Love With The Villainess" is also at that same "let's talk," chapter based on similar deceptions. Such a coincidence, especially considering the other similarities between the series. I'm sure Yvonne will make things right.

last edited at Aug 17, 2025 5:14PM

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joined Jun 21, 2021

Edit: I dunno why people are so pressed about this. You guys really expect their relationship to be just perfect with butterflies and lollipops and no conflicts? Sorry to tell you, but that's not how relationships work...

Any kind of conflict? "Forced drama". Fluff only series? "Nothing ever happens". Series ends when the main pair get together? "Axed". Series keeps going and does arcs on side characters, etc? "Drawn out padding".

It's the same shit every time. Whichever way you do it, it's wrong i guess.

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joined Nov 30, 2016

Edit: I dunno why people are so pressed about this. You guys really expect their relationship to be just perfect with butterflies and lollipops and no conflicts? Sorry to tell you, but that's not how relationships work...

Any kind of conflict? "Forced drama". Fluff only series? "Nothing ever happens". Series ends when the main pair get together? "Axed". Series keeps going and does arcs on side characters, etc? "Drawn out padding".

It's the same shit every time. Whichever way you do it, it's wrong i guess.

Ehhhh, I think it's more like what LostGamble is getting at. The conflict doesn't feel believable or like what you'd have in a real relationship. I can see feeling betrayed that being saved from the orphanage had a hidden motivation behind it, but Elsa is the one who crowbarred her way back into Yvonne's life and heart, so the conclusions she's actually drawing feel very contrived. It's basically trust issues again. But I mean, contrived plot points are hardly a new feature of this story. It excels at fluff, the rest is take it or leave it

last edited at Aug 17, 2025 8:57PM

joined Jan 14, 2020

Any kind of conflict? "Forced drama". Fluff only series? "Nothing ever happens". Series ends when the main pair get together? "Axed". Series keeps going and does arcs on side characters, etc? "Drawn out padding".

To say what should be obvious: it's usually different people making different complaints. Or, "you can't please everyone."

But also, conflict can be done well or badly, sometimes even in the same work.

Yamada and Kase-san: the race/apartment arc was breathtakingly dumb, but Yamada missing Kase's event because of older woman at work pressuring her to do overtime is completely plausible.

MagiRevo: I'm still not sure what Algard was thinking in having a fight with his sister, even with generous amounts of much later retcontext [sic]. Whereas the climactic Anis/Euphie conflict makes total sense, right off the bat.

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