Forum › Please Bully Me, Miss Villainess! discussion

Midnightgunner
Gt00pn-odpc
joined Sep 30, 2017

Edit: I dunno why people are so pressed about this. You guys really expect their relationship to be just perfect with butterflies and lollipops and no conflicts? Sorry to tell you, but that's not how relationships work...

Any kind of conflict? "Forced drama". Fluff only series? "Nothing ever happens". Series ends when the main pair get together? "Axed". Series keeps going and does arcs on side characters, etc? "Drawn out padding".

It's the same shit every time. Whichever way you do it, it's wrong i guess.

Ehhhh, I think it's more like what LostGamble is getting at. The conflict doesn't feel believable or like what you'd have in a real relationship. I can see feeling betrayed that being saved from the orphanage had a hidden motivation behind it, but Elsa is the one who crowbarred her way back into Yvonne's life and heart, so the conclusions she's actually drawing feel very contrived. It's basically trust issues again. But I mean, contrived plot points are hardly a new feature of this story. It excels at fluff, the rest is take it or leave it

I feel it's very believable. The very nature of her relationship hás been chalanged. It forces her to see It in a completely different way. Just because Elsa was the one running after Evie for so long doesn't mean her affection is unconditional and that's very realistic. No emotion or feeling is bulletproof, even If momentarely, specially when lies are exposed.

Beatorokken
joined Feb 23, 2014

I actually like these chapters and this feels totally understandable from Elsa's side given the knowledge that SHE currently has.

Enanano
joined Oct 16, 2020

as much as id like for them to just make up and whatknot, I do like the fact that this shows Elsa's side of the story and not just Yvonne's pov

Khancrop
joined Feb 18, 2013

Blah, I'm glad this seems like it won't be a long tiff, but I still really don't think it was necessary.

Palucina1
joined May 26, 2020

I hate seeing Elsa and Yvonne at odds, but I totally get their struggle. I love that it's not going to easily be solved, and t's going to take real work on both their parts. Relationships are hard.

Img_5712
joined Jan 3, 2022

The conflict wouldn’t be so bad if we didn’t have to wait a bit for an update (I’m not tryna rush the TLs or the author, I just mean that the conflict wouldn’t feel as bad if we didn’t have to marinate on it? Like, pacing wise? I’m struggling to explain, but I feel like the conflict wouldn’t be that bad if we just didn’t have an update for several months/until the conflict is resolved in story, then have it updated one chapter each day? Cuz the IRL time gap makes things feel longer than it actually is compared to just binging it. Am I making sense?? I don’t mean any offense or anything)

I get Elsa’s POV but I’m noticing that she’s largely upset under a false assumption due to her own insecurities (which is annoying even if it’s realistic)

Plus, her getting mad feels outta nowhere cuz she was all blush blushy when she woke up and Evie hugged her— basically acting like nothing happened.

The flip only switched when EVIE brought it up first— and when Elsa woke up, she was literally playing dumb “what are the test results?” And then next chapter it’s revealed she watched the whole thing, so why was she acting like she knew nothing?

She’s not any better than Evie. Idk how Evie’s supposed to make it up to her when Evie being honest wasn’t good enough— literally can’t even envision how the resolution is gonna go (maybe I’m just not creative enough, idk) cuz IRL, I feel like once trust is broken, that’s the end of the relationship— and Elsa doesn’t trust Evie anymore (maybe I’m dumb and missed smthn cuz I don’t understand why she’s assuming Evie never cared about her) and trust is super hard to repair

And maybe I’m salty cuz Evie was literally gonna tell her and she gets mad when she’s finally got the balls (not literally tho) to be honest— and when she’s FINALLY honest, it blows up in her face and she’s painted like a villainess over stuff she never said or implied

don’t get me wrong, I’d get it if Elsa was skeptical; “you knew this was story, idk if your feelings are even real cuz this prolly isn’t even ‘reality’ to you— it’s real to me, this is my life” kinda shtick, and I could see the trust being mended back cuz it’s not completely shattered

But Elsa confidently asserting— insisting— that Evie never cared about her, than she was just using her, that her words are just lies that she can’t fall for ever again— that level of distrust/caution it can’t be repaired so easily

TL;DR: the frustration for me comes from the IRL time gap, Elsa acting like nothing happened until Evie brings it up (which doesn’t make her any better imo, cuz she easily could’ve been planning to keep it a secret herself or bring it up later, instead of immediately tryna confront Evie) and Elsa’s complete loss of trust in Evie

The complete loss of trust is the biggest issue for me— that kinda crap can’t be resolved in a single chapter. If Elsa was more lukewarm and doubting, then it being resolved in a chapter or two is plausible to me— but I can not fathom going from not trusting your partner AT ALL to acting like nothing even happened just from one convo— regardless of what Evie even says, cuz if the truth didn’t ease Elsa, then what will ease her other than lots of time and Evie’s continued affection through it all?

I’m already expecting that their relationship won’t be back to how it was before all this— so even if the main hiccup is overcome in next chapter, we won’t get fluff for a long while (NOOOOO! THE FLUFFF ;-;) and if we do, I’ll be pressed cuz I doubt it’ll feel right for them to go back to normal, there’s deep rooted issues that need to be addressed which I doubt will take priority over the plot, so the two will have to navigate the loss of trust while also trying to make sure the world doesn’t auto correct itself or whatever) so it kinda just sucks…

And like, because of how it’s been handled so far, even if it’s over in the next chapter and everything is back to business as usual, its gonna suck cuz Elsa’s whole “I can’t waver, I shouldn’t forgive her so easily” attitude is gonna be undermined (if that’s the right word); her getting upset in the first place is gonna make this whole arc feel dumb and pointless (plus if it’s immediate resolved the insecurity issue won’t be addressed or it won’t be addressed well)

And I feel like the only “right” way is for them to stop dating for a bit so they can fall back in love with each other for reals— since they’re both, in a way, pretending to be someone they’re not,

evie isn’t “evie” I can’t recall if she has memories of her past life but if she clearly does, then sharing that would be Elsa learning about the “real Evie” (past life name drop? Maybe?)

Elsa’s insecure but Evie’s only known her for being super bubbly and stuff— (have we ever seen Elsa be insecure and doubting herself? Cuz Ch 1 Elsa “id never end my life” is def diff from current Elsa “maybe it’d be better if I gave other me my body” (which wouldn’t she basically die? She’s just giving up her life at that point, no?)

Like, I feel like the relationship can only be mended when they both open up whole heartedly to each other, no more secrets or nothing, which can’t be resolved in a single chapter (or it may feel kinda lame) but that’s prolly just me, and this whole rant prolly makes no sense

last edited at Aug 19, 2025 12:19AM

joined Jan 14, 2020

We get new chapters every week or two, it's hard for the IRL time gap to be better, short of your just refusing to read it until more chapters are ready to read at once.

Midnightgunner
Gt00pn-odpc
joined Sep 30, 2017

What? This is one of the fastest updating series in this site.

last edited at Aug 21, 2025 1:00AM

Img_5712
joined Jan 3, 2022

What? This is one of the fastest updating series in this site.

Between ch 124 and ch 125: there’s a 20 day wait, and that wait adds to the feeling of things goin for a long time (+ not knowing when the updates gonna come, cuz it seems its either 7 days or two weeks) so ch 124 ends with Elsa being mad, we wait 20 days with the thought that “Elsa is mad at Evie” the next update comes and Elsa’s still mad but Evie’s tryin to talk.

Mentally, for me, the argument feels longer than it actually is cuz as IRL days pass, i subconsciously expect this to be over alr, but it isn’t so I feel sad and want a resolution more and more?

  • most of the stuff I’m reading on here is light hearted, super fluffy, or doesn’t have tension b/w the girls so goin for that to this adds to the feeling of wanting it to b over

  • the (kinda) main plot of making enough changes so the world doesn’t correct itself and lead to Evie dying is put to a halt cuz of this conflict. The plot itself feels like it isn’t moving since the focus is currently on Elsa and Evie fixing things or mending things a bit so they can then focus fully on setting Dorothee’s plan into motion

  • while waiting rn, we don’t even know if things will be mended after they talk— if Elsa will even wanna talk, so we might have to wait even longer chapter where Evie tries to talk things out again or the plot will move forward with them still at odds; with them working solo/Evie working solo, Elsa doing her own thing?

Knowing that regardless of what happens— and expecting this argument to last for a bit— we’ll have to wait, added on to the fact that i can’t fully sympathize (empathize?) with Elsa here therefore this conflict feels more annoying than necessary or understandable (plus Elsa getting mad when she was pretending like she didn’t know anything when she woke up, only getting mad when Evie brings it up + her not accepting Evie’s honest feelings + Elsa thinking Evie never cared about her, which the insecurity feels outta nowhere to me) all those factors just make it feel like this argument’s dragged out/will drag out

I can’t imagine this conflict ending next chapter, Elsa insecurities won’t go away next chapter, so it’ll take even longer for things to be as they used to even if they agree to just team up again— which idk, can’t see happening—

It just feels like a long wait cuz of the fact that there’s several moving parts, the resolution feels very far away, so it feels like we won’t see any fluff between them for a while

(And like, the updates are super consistent all time, not throwing shade at the TLs, author, artist etc, just explaining how IRL time gap adds to feeling of this goin on for a long time)

I think it’s a mix of impatience (wanting them to make up) + not liking/caring for the conflict (idek where Elsa’s insecurity about Evie lying bout caring bout her came from?) + having to wait for unknown amount of time to see what happens next + me thinking bout this comic somewhat regularly (which makes it feel like the conflict is goin on longer than it is) + expecting that this won’t be resolved in next chapter, which means more waiting … and waiting things to get better between them

Tumblr_6092d594b3a92296a4d35bac1b1a474c_c2d1131f_400
joined Apr 4, 2022

Failed Reversal should be a tag

Avatar
joined Aug 29, 2019

reversal²

That was a cute interlude.

Khancrop
joined Feb 18, 2013

Wait, is this really the next plot beat?! Or is it going to skip back and cover the intervening period?

joined Mar 23, 2022

Lol the moment Evie mentioned it's not the right place I already new they have different neurons running in their brain XD....I almost double check the chapter title if this is an extra, or not canon in the story.wow with the fan service please keep them coming XD.

joined Mar 23, 2022

I just wonder if we skipped a chapter?? Since the chapter title of 126 has (II) on it?

543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

I just wonder if we skipped a chapter?? Since the chapter title of 126 has (II) on it?

The chapter opens up by telling us this is sometime significantly farther in the future and it's title is a second vignette chapter. It's a special side chapter.

That "misunderstanding" at the dining hall was great. The role reversal was then reversed back again lol

last edited at Aug 25, 2025 6:34AM

Nyarin
joined Mar 20, 2012

They're going to be arrested for public indecency.

Subaru
joined Jul 31, 2019

Last time we got this kind of chapter, it felt like an apology in advance before the stuff that was about to unfold, I wonder if it's similar here :P

Img_5712
joined Jan 3, 2022

bro is so happy he got to witness that LOL

Was not expecting a time skip into (kinda kinky) maid-mistress RP after two chapters of pain (idk how I feel about that TBH)

Unless you’re eating the cake off the floor, 95% of it has been wasted (unless the cake somehow landed on Elsa’s feet??)

Idk how Elsa can go from not trusting Evie at all, thinking that everything she says is a lie made to use her, to maid-mistress RP fluff

So… if they’re gonna go back and show us how the convo went down… I’m assuming when Evie tries to talk to Elsa— maybe asking where the lack of trust came from/the idea that Evie was just using her— they have a back and forth and maybe Evie asks what she can do to regain that trust but with trust, but as there’s not anything specific a person can do in that situation— other then wait— so the plot of helping pinkie become the queen takes priority in the story? Or maybe Evie tells Elsa she’ll do whatever she wants, answer every question without holding back as a way to build that trust back?

Last time we got this kind of chapter, it felt like an apology in advance before the stuff that was about to unfold, I wonder if it's similar here :P

There are rocky times ahead of us ;-;

last edited at Aug 25, 2025 8:11AM

joined Jan 14, 2020

It's a flashforward chapter, like the sex chapter 57.5 or so. I predict a long divorce arc.

I'm told the raws have a note saying "3 chapters".

last edited at Aug 25, 2025 10:57AM

Enanano
joined Oct 16, 2020

i think we're about to get shot 37 times in the next chapters after this

543633_50
joined Sep 10, 2022

It's a flashforward chapter, like the sex chapter 57.5 or so. I predict a long divorce arc.

I doubt that. She's upset but not that upset. It's more the principle. She was already reminiscing last chapter. One discussion could easily be enough to clear the air. It's a discussion that has been long coming anyway, so I'm not expecting anything crazy but we'll see.

last edited at Aug 25, 2025 10:12AM

Aizawa-san
joined May 25, 2018

I just wonder if we skipped a chapter?? Since the chapter title of 126 has (II) on it?

it says (II) because it's the second vignette (the first one being chapter 57.5)

the weird part is numbering it as a "proper" chapter rather than as a side thing

Annotation%202020-07-02%20193122
joined Apr 19, 2018

Chise, I kneel.
I was wrong about you, I didn't know your game.
Please keep on putting random conflicts in the future too if we'll be rewarded with chapters like these.
Amen.

Personal rant: it was almost perfect if it was a Victorian maid outfit and not a miniskirt one.

last edited at Aug 25, 2025 12:28PM

Internet_lied
joined Jul 15, 2016

"I tried so hard and got so far, but in the end, it doesn't even matter." -- Elsa, probably

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

She sure was enjoying herself, at least until the reversal at the end. And even then... :D

As was the yuri knight.

To reply you must either login or sign up.