Holy shit, Xiao-chen is so cool

All the people going "why is this character even here", maybe she was put on this earth so we can see Xiao-Chen knock her down like a bad bitch? Ever thought of that?

If the sole purpose of a character is to make another character looks cool, this is bad writing imo. But it's a webcomic, so I guess I should be more tolerant.

Meguru is close to age of majority, remember? And how is Kasane acting like a predator, when she keeps resisting her urges and Meguru's advances?

She is, but she is also a high schooler under the influence of an adult. Their dynamic is not good. Generally speaking, when there is that kind of age gap, the older female is pretty naive, and inexperienced, which makes the relationship more genuine and pure. In this instance, the MC is creepy and irresponsible.

You are right though, I've reread the serie, and actually, it is true that Kasane is not predatory. But she is extremely creepy and cringe imo. She acts like an otaku, always fantasizing weird stuff (just in this chapter, the first thing that comes to her mind is yuri and look at her face, she looks like a creepy old dude), acting like a fan with her oshi instead of considering Meguru as a real person, which makes me think she is not serious about Meguru and she is playing with her feelings. Not that I think she is doing that intentionally, but again, she is the adult, in front of a vulnerable teenager. She should be the responsible one.

All of that makes me think their relationship is unbalanced and unhealthy, even without the age gap. The age gap just makes it creepier.

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This character should just disappear, I don't think her inclusion made any better to the series and atp her existence is only to humiliate her like it's some sort of fetish for the author and doesn't add anything to the story itself

It's just a bit of fun, like most of the series. What's it detracting from?

I don't like character like that, that are unidimensional, just created to add tension and to be hated. I think it's a pretty cheap trope to use honestly and it doesn't add anything interesting to the story. It's written "plot device" all over their face.

That's the weirdest side story I've ever read.

She's also trying to be responsible and mindful of the age gap. And maybe some low self esteem at work too.

I can only see her as a predator. Funny how we can get such different view of the MC. I don't mind age gap that much when it involves two girls and one of them is a close to majority. But in this case, she just act like a predator, taking advantage of a girl that is hurt and uses it as a leverage for her own good, whether she is aware of it or not (but as the adult, she as a duty to be aware of it). I can only think of her as despicable honestly.

This is like a hot cocoa on a cold winter day. I'll favorite this one to re-read it when I'll feel down.

Bounding? Piss? Humiliation? Oh this is what peak looks like, adorable little scene where Io runs to clean her mess as soon as she's free.

I know nothing about SM relationships, so I actually felt bad for Io when she ran up crying to clean up. How is that supposed to be adorable? (Genuinely asking, not being sarcastic).

(CW: actual disscussion of SM topics)

Thanks for all the explanations, I wasn't aware that masochist could also refer to emotional pain.

As for the CNC (I didn't know that term as well) and for the limits a couple must established in a SM relationship, the way I read it, is that they both discovered with one another that they were into that. So they have no experience and they are discovering their limits/what they are into together. Which makes sense to me. Had I been in a similar situation, I don't think I would have googled what is the optimal way to do it, I would have just go with the flow, even if it means being hurt in the process.

im guessing their lvl means age right... i know they had an age gap but i thought she was 24 max sighhh

Yup.. 18/26 is kind of creepy territory for me... The problem is not the age gap, but that one of them is just 18.

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I liked this chapter, but I can't help but think that it's a bit too comedic/light-hearted after all that build up.

Same feeling as well. I feel a bit cheated in a way. As if all that angst was for nothing. But in itself, it was still a great chapter.

Bounding? Piss? Humiliation? Oh this is what peak looks like, adorable little scene where Io runs to clean her mess as soon as she's free.

I know nothing about SM relationships, so I actually felt bad for Io when she ran up crying to clean up. How is that supposed to be adorable? (Genuinely asking, not being sarcastic).

Shitposted too close to the sun...

As stupid as the association of Nanase with nazi is (Nanazi lol that's a good one), it got me a good laught. This thread is as entertaining as the manga.

I feel there's three possible points people who defend Nanase miss:

Not quoting the entier post but the more backstory we got from Yuni and Fuuko, the more we got to understand them. Even though they act in a shitty way, we can at least understanding why they act that way. They both had difficult/traumatic experience and despite they awful action, they both have a lovely side. Fuuko is very caring and seems to truly love Yuni, and the way Yuni loves and cares for her mother is also very touching.

On the other side, Nanase is just super self-centered, and doesn't have anything good to balance that. So sure, she is not as bad, but she has nothing going for her, really. Honestly, she looks like a NPC with no inner thoughts. Enhanced why I think of her as just a plot device.

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At least the other girls are aware of their shortcomings.

That's a very fair point. While Yuni can be infuriating as well, we can see she is still struggling with the situation, feeling bad both for both girls. And while it doesn't excuse what she is doing, it makes her human. But Nanase doesn't have an inner voice (or at least, not that I remember so far), and she seems not preoccupied at all with her actions. Which makes her look like a very self centered person that doesn't reflect on what she is doing.

In a way, while she is central to the story, she is not supposed to be a main character. Since the beginning, I mostly saw her as a device plot.

Funny how lots of people were defending Nanase at first. But I'm glad that everyone seems to be on the same page now!

I didn't quite get the significance of the letter in Shiratori's pocket -- anyone's got an idea?

I'm not good at picking up hidden meanings but I interpreted it as shiratori realising that the girl had romantic feelings for her and had she passed the exam she would have confessed, as in she realised her actions made the student fall for her/push herself just to end up heartbroken

I'm not sure about it as well, but I got the same interpretation.

Nya-chan: > > Sleepyhead posted:

Here's to hope they would communicate for real and not just via musical instruments. T-T

Rock is their form of communication. Always has been.

Absolutely—these two always connected via music playlists, sharing earphones, home-made albums, etc. A lot of readers seem to want to be mental health/healthy relationship counselors, with some defining anything other than textbook optimally mature social behavior as “toxic.”

It’s remarkable how many people have gotten this far in the series and still think of very-special-episode-drama heart-to-heart sit-downs as the only real mode of communication.

Sure, in fantasy land, that is something that could work. But Arai-sensei have been showing us some real life problems, so I expect some real life solutions. Depression, self image issues, miscommunication, jealousy... Sure, let's play some music and do as if none of that ever happens... Honestly, it's almost an insult to people dealing with those issues.

It's not like I expect them to go to therapy, but some acknowledgment about what have been happening would be a start. You can't in one hand presenting to the reader real problems, in a realistic fashion, and expect them to accept a resolution such as "let's play music and get married".

Well, actually you can expect that. But that's cheap imo.

I do acknowledge that there have been some conservation about the "toxicity" of their relationship (damn I don't like that word), and it has gone way to far, but they have been dealing with issue serious enough that music communication can't magically solve. Mitsuki have had issue with self image since the beginning of the manga for example. Given it has resurfaced again, it's worth addressing this issue properly.

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Don't talk to this woman. She's a monster

Buuut she's hoooooot!

She can come haunt me wherever she wants.

Mitsuki's problem is that she can't play the music she wants in Japan. Out of Japan, the problem is solved.

I don't know why people assume that because rock is not mainstream in Japan, it's not popular. The indie scene is super active. She could definitely find her place there, especially in the underground/indies communities.

It's entirely possible that the next arc will be about them in the US. But it wouldn't be because of that.

I'm a bit afraid of the resolution of this arc thought. Because I could see Mitsuki picking up the guitar, start playing and then... Well that's it. Trauma resolved, no discussion. Next arc. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know why, I have this feeling.

Well, quoting myself there. I didn't think she would propose, but it feel like that unfortunately, I was right, there won't be any discussion. Guitar picked up. Problem resolved. As if marriage was a solution to a lack of communication...

weirdly this chapter i have a positive impression of mizuki. she's clingy and insecure but looks out for ren in her own weird way... even if she grumbled about ren not answering her 1 billion messages due to work she reasons ren is tired and tries to cook for her, and may have later on noticed ren wanted the macaron she was eating.

don't think these two will end up being a good fit for each other but mizuki would probably do fine with a girl who likes her clinginess

When I read the chapter, all I could think about is how Mizuki is borderline psycho, controlling and manipulative. I'm honestly amused (and baffled lol) that someone else can have such a different opinion of the character. It feels like we haven't read the same chapter.

The way I see it, she asked to cook for her as a way to know where she lives. I'm pretty much sure she will end up being a stalker. I can see her showing up during one of Ren's professional date, and play it as if it's just a coincidence. I mean, it's already implied that she looked at Ren's phone...

And damn, that chapter's end ... I don't know what to think of the piercing girl now. It was my favorite character so far, but Ren was clear about the fact that she didn't want to date her. She should respect her boundaries and choice. Forcing Ren to meet her because it's her job is really unfair and unethical imo...

The chapter was great. One of the reason is that Araij didn't try to cram everything in one chapter, like usual, with a begining and an end. It looks like next chapter will continue right after page 4.

I'm a bit afraid of the resolution of this arc thought. Because I could see Mitsuki picking up the guitar, start playing and then... Well that's it. Trauma resolved, no discussion. Next arc. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know why, I have this feeling.

I'm glad that Ai went to meet Kaeda and was able to see through her. If she didn't, I think it would have haunted her the rest of her life. I still wished she threw away the pendent though. If not her herself, then for Gon.

I could see that for Kaede's sake but keeping the pendant is a powerful decision as well. It shows how little meaning it has for AI now. Throwing it away could carry the feeling of AI needing to distance herself from something she can't resist.

It makes sense. I get that throwing it away would give it too much value. But If it has no meaning to her, keeping it doesn't make sense as well (might just be me, but I don't like to keep useless/meaningless stuff). She could sell it and buy something nice for Kon for example.

I'm glad that Ai went to meet Kaeda and was able to see through her. If she didn't, I think it would have haunted her the rest of her life. I still wished she threw away the pendent though. If not her herself, then for Gon.

Can't wait for the final. A full chapter seems enough to wrap things us nicely.

anyone know where can I read the LN?

Here's one for the first novel.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eQDP6Fn8axTADXNwqW4y_v2h0uCF6Plqtmfv767AD9w/edit?tab=t.0

This is the only one that's been human translated. The second novel has a "refined MTL" somewhere on the internet but the site that used to host it went down. The third novel has not been TL'd in any capacity that I'm aware of.

Is the story finished in 3 volumes ?

How long do I need to stare at a girl from afar before she falls for me?

She will probably call the police before she develops feelings x)