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joined Aug 21, 2017

I think the author has gotten better at these serious parts. Early in the manga, the way they switched between comedy and drama was like whiplash. Now they've given it its own place as nearly an entire chapter. I still prefer comedy, but I think they've done the drama pretty well this time.

Sleepyfrogwaifutiny
joined Sep 25, 2019

There's a very simple reason why Hiiragi is getting more backlash from the audience than Tsubaki.
• Tsubaki: tries to be nice to her sister out of good will but hurts her on accident.
• Hiiragi: tries to deceive her sister out of malice and hurts her on purpose.

"Deceive: a statement or action to mislead, hide the truth, or promote a belief or idea that is not true. Often for personal gain. A major relational transgression that often leads to feelings of betrayal and distrust."

This times 100.

Tsubaki was innocent the whole time and literally did nothing wrong. Literally the whole conflict between them is on Hiiragi not just talking to her sister about her issues and instead choosing to go out of her way to hurt her incredibly deeply out of mere spite.

She's been incredibly cruel towards her sister for the whole series but I'd been holding off on judging her too harshly until we knew what their deal was, but now that we know what it is; there's just no defense. Hiiragi REALLY IS a gigantic bitch to her sister for no good reason.

joined Jun 11, 2016

I'm wondering how Tsubaki has gone from mind broken to a total siscon. I mean Yokoe didn't change that much after geeting érejected" because she was already a bit of a goofball before but Tsubaki wasn't that much of a siscon before Hiiragi choose another school.

do you not understand chapter 91 at all? Tsubaki was ALWAYS dependent on Hiiragi since the god damn start. Tsubaki has always looked up to Hiiragi, idolized her even. In Tsubaki's mind, she and Hiiragi are inseparable, Hiiragi would always be next to her side and vice versa, "our whole world consisted of just the two of us". If anything, she was a siscon from the start.

joined Jun 11, 2016

That was a great chapter actually, love it when this manga suddenly has a serious chapter. This author has potential

bruh the series has over 90+ chapters now. If the author had no potential it wouldn't be this long. Seriously what's with the amount of people suddenly realizing that the author writes good stories?

Dang, what with the hate on Hiiragi ? What she does is pretty understandable. Imagine having your twin who always relied on you suddendly becoming better than you at everything but still thinking she is worthless without you. Hiiragi is just angry that her sister can't realize how good she is and instead insist on puttting herself down. Imagine how frustrating that is, having someone who is better than you but insisting on telling she is bad, it's extremlyfrustrating.

The reason for the hate is because, well, it's something that could really have been solved by any amount of communication at all. Even yelling or screaming about it would be a wake-up for Tsubaki. But instead, Hiiragi just lets everything happen and keeps it secret and even makes their parents keep things secret. It's frankly ridiculous, at least IMO, that neither parent would have the two sit down and talk.

I agree with both of you. Hiiragi was in a bad place but it doesn't excuse her terrible actions. And yes, if they just talked it out then all would be good, but as someone who was in Hiiragi's situation (didn't tell sb my frustration with them for 3 years+), I still can't hate Hiiragi completely.

Akarin%20idk
joined Jan 2, 2017

I genuinely teared up at that last chapter. I find it hard to blame either of them, or clear either of them of blame either. A bad situation for both overall - I hope, eventually, it's settled.

F4x-3lwx0aa0tcu31
joined Apr 20, 2013

You know, if the reason of the separation had been that Hiiragi caught Tsubaki sniffing her underwear in 4k it would've made perfect sense haha, in fact for a while I thought it would be something like that, it explains everything except Hiiragi's antisocial behavior with everyone. Even Tsubaki who only cared about her sister is able to open up with others... Well, that's changing lately fortunately.

If this is the whole story, I hope that all the stories that follow would be about fixing the relationship from both sides... at least until she finds her sniffing the panties and is ruined again lo/

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joined Jul 29, 2017

You know, if the reason of the separation had been that Hiiragi caught Tsubaki sniffing her underwear in 4k it would've made perfect sense haha, in fact for a while I thought it would be something like that, it explains everything except Hiiragi's antisocial behavior with everyone. Even Tsubaki who only cared about her sister is able to open up with others... Well, that's changing lately fortunately.

If this is the whole story, I hope that all the stories that follow would be about fixing the relationship from both sides... at least until she finds her sniffing the panties and is ruined again lo/

Twins sniffing each other’s panties is just normal. The panties fit them both and you have to check if they’re clean ones.

Happens all the time.

joined Dec 14, 2021

Okay, I don't know if this was already discussed at one point but I really have gut-feeling that Kaname and Yatsude know each other/were a thing at some point in the past.
CHapter 39: Kaname made a 180° turn + her expression after the older twin showed what club shes talking about. Pretty sus.
Chapter 77: Yatsude being all mysterious about know a similar situation like our main pair.
Chaper 82: Kaname talks about her preferences. Someone who looks stern and angry alot. Yatsude open-eye expression is the perfect example of this.

joined Jul 26, 2016

Okay, I don't know if this was already discussed at one point but I really have gut-feeling that Kaname and Yatsude know each other/were a thing at some point in the past.
CHapter 39: Kaname made a 180° turn + her expression after the older twin showed what club shes talking about. Pretty sus.
Chapter 77: Yatsude being all mysterious about know a similar situation like our main pair.
Chaper 82: Kaname talks about her preferences. Someone who looks stern and angry alot. Yatsude open-eye expression is the perfect example of this.

Sure was. Basically immediately when each of those chapters came out as the dots to connect are fairly conspicuous.

(y)
joined Jan 9, 2017

All that and we still dont know what Hiragis problem is

...the general gist of it really should be fairly obvious by this point. But I'd say the lower right frame here encapsulates an important part of it.

A broken feeling of superiority over her sister is unlikely to be the whole story

"The one who's not Tsubaki" is the key phrase there.

Even at that point she is being treated Better than Tsubaki was when she wasnt performing

Tsubaki was "the sister"
Hiragii later was "the still very smart sister"

And if Hiragii hates Tsubaki for not being her inferior then thats just makes her Terrible, which isnt something that would fit this story

joined Jul 26, 2016

Even at that point she is being treated Better than Tsubaki was when she wasnt performing

Tsubaki was "the sister"
Hiragii later was "the still very smart sister"

And if Hiragii hates Tsubaki for not being her inferior then thats just makes her Terrible, which isnt something that would fit this story

I'm getting a distinct impression we have not been reading the same chapters.

joined Jan 3, 2020

All that and we still dont know what Hiragis problem is

...the general gist of it really should be fairly obvious by this point. But I'd say the lower right frame here encapsulates an important part of it.

A broken feeling of superiority over her sister is unlikely to be the whole story

"The one who's not Tsubaki" is the key phrase there.

Even at that point she is being treated Better than Tsubaki was when she wasnt performing

Tsubaki was "the sister"
Hiragii later was "the still very smart sister"

And if Hiragii hates Tsubaki for not being her inferior then thats just makes her Terrible, which isnt something that would fit this story

It is probably something really dumb in order to redeem her character. Like... Hiragii lost her purpose in life when Tsubaki wasn't as dependent on her anymore and now she hates herself for being inferior and bringing Tsubaki down, so she decides to leave Tsubaki's side for her own good so that Tsubaki isn't associated with such a failure or something.

That's the sort of tortured rationale you need in a manga to appear as though you are a bad person.

joined May 23, 2017

If this chapter has the angst tag I hope chapter 49 has it too

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joined Aug 19, 2019

I'm gonna be honest, Hiiragi didn't really do anything wrong, it would have all gone to shit even if she had told her to back off considering Tsubaki was completely obssesed with her. It's one of those situations where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't

(y)
joined Jan 9, 2017

I'm gonna be honest, Hiiragi didn't really do anything wrong, it would have all gone to shit even if she had told her to back off considering Tsubaki was completely obssesed with her. It's one of those situations where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't

Giving a reason for your sudden drastic change in relationship is the Least you can do, But the one thing we know about Hiragii is that She isnt sociable so...

joined Jul 26, 2016

Giving a reason for your sudden drastic change in relationship is the Least you can do, But the one thing we know about Hiragii is that She isnt sociable so...

It's bit of a plot point in the twins' larger character arc that their insular co-dependence growing up has left both with badly underdeveloped social skills, though in contrasting ways that play on their wider Sibling Yin-Yang themes.

Tsubaki is shy, timid and can just about go into panic attacks around strangers - but once the initial ice is broken actually very sociable and open, and seems to find it naturally easy to establish meaningful relationships with others. She's also something of a fascinated observer of people though normally too shy and timid to ask personal questions; she was positively rapturous when she had an explicit permission to do so during the sleepover with the gyaru pair.

Contrariwise, Hiiragi is willful and outspoken but also extremely reticient and "closed off" - by her own agonized admission she doesn't have the slightest idea what a friend even is never mind now how you'd go about making one. (Utsugi definitely had to do all the heavy lifting there, and Akutami-sensei still had to spell it out to her...) Compare how Tsubaki could lay out the whole mess to Yatsude literally on their first meeting while it took Hiiragi months of familiarity and hitting critical mass rock-bottom self-loathing depression to unburden herself at Akutami who was basically the closest thing she had to a confidant at the time. And even after she got the worst of her personal demons exorcised and accepted Utsugi's overtures for what they are she, tellingly, appears to have a very consistent "don't ask, don't tell" approach to personal matters much to the shorter girl's frustration - not that Utsugi herself was exactly volunteering such details mind you. (It's been rather implied the Manic Pixie Dream Girl has her own baggage.) One rather gets the impression Hiiragi just baseline isn't interested in other peoples' business - though she's an astute observer when she has a reason to pay attention, something of a shared trait of the twins - and accepts them, or doesn't, as-is.

'Course it hardly helps matters that by all indications by the end of middle school Hiiragi was basically a bitter, depressed, self-loathing wreck who just desperately needed to get away from her sister one way or another. Niceties were far and away the very last thing on her mind, all the more so as given she was just as co-dependent forcing the very much necessary break oughta been about the emotional equivalent of gnawing off a trapped limb if you pardon the gruesome analog. Note how for all the carefully studied poker face she's in her Dull Eyes of Anguish mode through that entire scene.

joined Jul 26, 2016

It wasn't actually all that "sudden and drastic change" by the by. If you look at the narration it's clear Hiiragi's behaviour and attitude were changing quite noticeably over time, growing increasingly distant and irritable in ways that scream trouble.

Tsubaki just failed - or unconsciously refused - to pick up on that because for all her astuteness she has a MASSIVE blind spot when it comes to her sister, something she's these days aware of on the intellectual-analytic level. Doesn't really translate into the emotional-intuitive level or behaviour though, which is the proximate cause of most of their fights in the narrative present.

My theory is a lot of that is wound up in that bizarre self-depreciating hero-worship thing she still has going (and which triggers ALL of her twin's issues like nothing else). In a pretty real sense when she looks at Hiiragi she isn't seeing her actual flesh-and-blood sibling but the idealized fantasy that's on a pedestal inside her head and this dissonance is a major factor in a lot of the trouble between them.

D05536d6-01d1-4527-9102-4cc772fad5ed
joined Jul 6, 2020

it is just talking nonsense

It's not. Go match up the Unicode and Shift-JIS representations of the characters in the original text and you'll find out what it says. If anything, the way I made my text corruption is way easier to decipher especially since I pasted the whole text up there.

So are we allowed to just ask what this means yet? I have no idea what you are even talking about. I literally spent an hour trying to do whatever it is you're telling us to do and I got

Ebllcspsaetll!aIsplspv°'emesp!Ebllcspsaetll~a

So can you please grace us with the meaning of this sentence?

Ezisrudvkaylvds
joined Jan 19, 2021

For those who didn't manage to convert yokoe's gibberish from ch88p11 she says "Bell Castella! I love'em! Bell Castella~"

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joined Apr 4, 2014

Any chance of a translation of the new relationship chart or is that only for people who purchase volume 4?

Far out this chapter gave me post manga depression and its not even finished lol.

joined Sep 30, 2018

just noticed: shouldn't chapter 59 have a "pocky game" tag? she's stealthy, but from page 71 through page 74, kaname seems to be playing (toying?) with piyoko.

joined Jul 26, 2016

she's stealthy, but from page 71 through page 74, kaname seems to be playing (toying?) with piyoko.

...not sure what's supposed to be "stealthy" about Kana's regular flagrant yanking of Piyo's chain. It's front and center enough that Tsubaki called her out on it, a conversation that tells us that A) Kana is a hueg troll in case there was any doubt about it before B) the elder Hinase really needs to develop a bullshit detector one of these days.

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joined Mar 31, 2017

Any chance of a translation of the new relationship chart or is that only for people who purchase volume 4?

No, it's free for everyone. This'll be part of the eventual next extras compilation.

joined Jul 26, 2016

pet

sounds about right lmao

E-iue9kvqaa8rk1
joined Mar 29, 2019

Any chance of a translation of the new relationship chart or is that only for people who purchase volume 4?

No, it's free for everyone. This'll be part of the eventual next extras compilation.

It amuses me that Tsubaki is the one with the most links

And I also like that Piyo's arrow towards Tsubaki is "red", I'll take what I can get for this ship

last edited at Dec 23, 2021 3:42PM

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