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White%20rose%20index
joined Aug 16, 2018

Ok, so I have no intentions of going back and rereading previous chapters, but senpai was being a total bitch before, right? Like, I'm not just misremembering am I? And now she totally wants to get back together with Liz? Is this more screwing with her or has her character changed drastically as a result of their hookup?

The simplest explanation is usually the best. Imho, sempai is an example of that super classic, super typical trope: the lesbian who decided to turn straight after graduating from high school (because she didn't know better, and thought it was the "adult" thing to do) and only realized she was making a huge mistake many years later. We've seen in a flashback that sempai dumped Liz after telling her they both should find boyfriends in college, and then moved out of Japan (to America or something). The way I see it, she must have discovered in the West that there's nothing wrong with being a gay woman and having a female lover... and this led her to realize that she still wants Liz.

But, really, she's being a bit heavy-handed about it. She should start by offering explanations and apologies, instead of acting as if she had never done anything wrong.

(Btw, the reason this trope is so common is that it's a gigantic case of truth in fiction, y'know.)

y i k e s , what is with the hostility towards momono. damn

Tsunderes, tsunderes everywhere. (´∀`) They love this stuff, they lap it up, they don't miss one chapter, then they come here and talk about how they hate it so much. Jeanne was right about how the ol' closet is getting really overcrowded these days... ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

y i k e s , what is with the hostility towards momono. damn

Tsunderes, tsunderes everywhere. (´∀`) They love this stuff, they lap it up, they don't miss one chapter, then they come here and talk about how they hate it so much. Jeanne was right about how the ol' closet is getting really overcrowded these days... ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯

Fun isn't it?

Image
joined Feb 23, 2016

Wtf :D

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

y i k e s , what is with the hostility towards momono. damn

Tsunderes, tsunderes everywhere. (´∀`) They love this stuff, they lap it up, they don't miss one chapter, then they come here and talk about how they hate it so much. Jeanne was right about how the ol' closet is getting really overcrowded these days... ¯⧹_(ツ)_⧸¯

Fun isn't it?

How you could know you hate something if you didn't read it entierly ? Maybe it's bad now but it get better after or the opposite it'sgood at first but it progressivly get worst.

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1478_nogirlsallowed
joined Oct 26, 2018

i see nothing wrong with the story, if the author wants to write about netorare or cheating, go for it.

Ektzupnxsaihbgy
joined Aug 19, 2019

Alright so what i'm getting here so far is blond bitch made Liz fall in love with her, bought her nice gifts, took her out on dates, had her completely on cloud 9, just to ditch her in the worst possible way absolutely crushing her feelings, ruining her reputation, and mentally fucking her over for years to come? and despite knowing all that decided to ask for a second chance and treat her feelings of "being afraid to fall in love" like a silly petty game? and then there's poor MC that has to deal with Liz aggressively dumping everything onto her, has this really been going on for 3 years now? I hope to god Liz doesn't choose blond bitch over Maki plz

432027e9-d7bf-4855-8947-d2e8c86accea
joined Jun 3, 2018

Maki's getting more and more pitiable as every chapter goes by. Going to need to read a bunch of fluffy crap just to purge the thought of the continuous drama that I know is coming.

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Maki's getting more and more pitiable as every chapter goes by.

You think so? I mean, sure, Liz exploits Maki, but that seems to be just a part of their slave play. BDSM undertones are all over this story. And it's consensual as far as we can tell.

Putting that aside, Liz often behaves like a spoiled child, but Maki is basically the supportive girlfriend all along. And relationships are about trust, after all. In my personal opinion, Maki isn't pitiable for trusting Liz, it's Liz who fucked up.

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

it's Liz who fucked up.

Which is something we know since the "slave" contract she put up.

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Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

it's Liz who fucked up.

Which is something we know since the "slave" contract she put up.

I know couples who enjoy that dynamic.

Don't%20forget%20the%20best%20girl
joined Jul 22, 2018

oh wow okay gay
see you in 2021 for the next chapter, probably

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

it's Liz who fucked up.

Which is something we know since the "slave" contract she put up.

I know couples who enjoy that dynamic.

To each their own

Chinatsu%202
joined Jan 27, 2016

Maki's getting more and more pitiable as every chapter goes by.

You think so? I mean, sure, Liz exploits Maki, but that seems to be just a part of their slave play. BDSM undertones are all over this story. And it's consensual as far as we can tell.

Putting that aside, Liz often behaves like a spoiled child, but Maki is basically the supportive girlfriend all along. And relationships are about trust, after all. In my personal opinion, Maki isn't pitiable for trusting Liz, it's Liz who fucked up.

Pitiable just means it elicits feelings of compassion and sadness for the suffering of someone else, in this case Maki being a lovely partner and her partner turning around and cheating on her while she's none the wiser. Liz's treatment of her makes me feel bad for her that doesn't require Maki to be in any way responsible for her mistreatment.

joined Jan 19, 2017

Ugh. It had a good start but I was never a fan of this author's characters. That's not to disparage them, it's understandable why some of their characters would act the way they do, but regardless I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating. I guess I'll stick it out though to at least see where this goes. Also art is pretty.

And just to be fair, there is one main reason I'm sticking around, and that's because it's explicitly exploring being lesbian in what amounts to "the real world". Izumi's desire to change the world around her is nice to see in a fictional setting and not actually something I see often. Her song in particular was great.

It is disappointing that as of now Maki has been relegated to obedient, servile girlfriend and I hope she shows more character soon.

last edited at May 24, 2020 9:27PM

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

Ugh. It had a good start but I was never a fan of this author's characters. That's not to disparage them, it's understandable why some of their characters would act the way they do, but regardless I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating. I guess I'll stick it out though to at least see where this goes. Also art is pretty.

I know we use “author” as shorthand for a manga creator, but in this case Momono Moto is simply the artist; the writer is first-time manga creator/voice actress Kitta Izumi. I’m sure MM’s influence is substantial, of course, but credit/blame where it goes.

MM’s art is almost always at least good, and often better than that. Lotta dumpster-fire characters, though.

joined Mar 25, 2020

Yup. Never fall in love with someone who isn't finished loving someone else.

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating.

Yeah, Momono Moto is definitely not for you. Even if, as people have pointed out, she didn't write the script for this one, it's still a very Momono style story.

Also, you might wanna give Kodama Naoko a miss too.

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating.

Yeah, Momono Moto is definitely not for you. Even if, as people have pointed out, she didn't write the script for this one, it's still a very Momono style story.

Except Yuunagi Marbled. Everyone should read Yuunagi Marbled.

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Except Yuunagi Marbled. Everyone should read Yuunagi Marbled.

Oh, I can also recommend her one-shots. A girl in ultramarine is still one of my favorite yuri stories. But anything in her one-shot collections should probably be okay.

Edit: personally, as someone who does enjoy Momono's trademark schemes and drama, I think Yuunagi Marbled is a bit too bland. But as far as Momono's work goes, it definitely fits OP's taste more than, say, my personal favorite.

last edited at May 24, 2020 10:18PM

Captureefef
joined Mar 16, 2018

Ughh every time I see a new chapter of this I’m like

joined Oct 25, 2014

The problem with this thing is not the drama. The problem is that the characters don't seem to react to it. Liz clearly felt bad after fucking around with asshole-senpai, bad enough to cry a few times afterwards. Yet, in the party she's letting senpai get close to her all over again. She's not reacting, she's not doing anything to change her situation. Then we have Maki, who has been a non-entity for while now. All this drama was basically passing around her without she even noticing that something was going on. And she's supposed to be the MC? This isn't how you write an MC. Anyway, now finally she might find out what's going on. The question is, is she gonna react to it and, I don't know, dump Liz's sorry ass, maybe? Or is she just gonna brush the whole thing off and keep being the passive non-entity she's been so far?

If the characters don't start doing something about all this shit, the drama is pointless.

Someone in a previous post said this manga was realistic and well-written. I won't comment on the realistic part, but I can tell you it isn't well written. It's pretty crappy writing actually.

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joined May 25, 2020

well i think sumire is manipulating liz. i bet maki will dump liz and sumire uses this to make liz dependant on her to then dump her again to prove her point of girl on girl relationships wont work. atleast i hope something like this happen

Hana3
joined Mar 22, 2018

Delicious what, though? More salt?

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Ughh every time I see a new chapter of this I’m like

Not to sound rude, but nobody is forcing you to read it.

Liz clearly felt bad after fucking around with asshole-senpai, bad enough to cry a few times afterwards. Yet, in the party she's letting senpai get close to her all over again. She's not reacting, she's not doing anything to change her situation.

You're forgetting that Liz' senpai is also her band's sponsor. Keeping things cordial is not only sensible but also necessary. Besides, Sumire is a manipulative toxic bitch, and Liz still has feelings for her, which makes her even easier to manipulate. It's hard to deal with a situation like that.

As for the rest of your comment, well, same goes as above. You can just ignore this manga if you don't like it.

i bet maki will dump liz and sumire uses this to make liz dependant on her to then dump her again to prove her point of girl on girl relationships wont work.

I'm not going to risk any predictions because it's hard to tell with this author. But I don't think Sumire would dump Liz just to prove a point. If anything, she's aiming to make Liz her plaything, while, idk, getting married to some random guy on the side? Could happen.

last edited at May 25, 2020 3:18AM

dasjadaniels
joined Aug 21, 2015

Liz don't fall for that shit Maki love u that blonde hair bitch need to leave but I do like me some drama

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