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Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Maki's getting more and more pitiable as every chapter goes by.

You think so? I mean, sure, Liz exploits Maki, but that seems to be just a part of their slave play. BDSM undertones are all over this story. And it's consensual as far as we can tell.

Putting that aside, Liz often behaves like a spoiled child, but Maki is basically the supportive girlfriend all along. And relationships are about trust, after all. In my personal opinion, Maki isn't pitiable for trusting Liz, it's Liz who fucked up.

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

it's Liz who fucked up.

Which is something we know since the "slave" contract she put up.

last edited at May 24, 2020 7:46PM

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

it's Liz who fucked up.

Which is something we know since the "slave" contract she put up.

I know couples who enjoy that dynamic.

Don't%20forget%20the%20best%20girl
joined Jul 22, 2018

oh wow okay gay
see you in 2021 for the next chapter, probably

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

it's Liz who fucked up.

Which is something we know since the "slave" contract she put up.

I know couples who enjoy that dynamic.

To each their own

Chinatsu%202
joined Jan 27, 2016

Maki's getting more and more pitiable as every chapter goes by.

You think so? I mean, sure, Liz exploits Maki, but that seems to be just a part of their slave play. BDSM undertones are all over this story. And it's consensual as far as we can tell.

Putting that aside, Liz often behaves like a spoiled child, but Maki is basically the supportive girlfriend all along. And relationships are about trust, after all. In my personal opinion, Maki isn't pitiable for trusting Liz, it's Liz who fucked up.

Pitiable just means it elicits feelings of compassion and sadness for the suffering of someone else, in this case Maki being a lovely partner and her partner turning around and cheating on her while she's none the wiser. Liz's treatment of her makes me feel bad for her that doesn't require Maki to be in any way responsible for her mistreatment.

joined Jan 19, 2017

Ugh. It had a good start but I was never a fan of this author's characters. That's not to disparage them, it's understandable why some of their characters would act the way they do, but regardless I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating. I guess I'll stick it out though to at least see where this goes. Also art is pretty.

And just to be fair, there is one main reason I'm sticking around, and that's because it's explicitly exploring being lesbian in what amounts to "the real world". Izumi's desire to change the world around her is nice to see in a fictional setting and not actually something I see often. Her song in particular was great.

It is disappointing that as of now Maki has been relegated to obedient, servile girlfriend and I hope she shows more character soon.

last edited at May 24, 2020 9:27PM

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

Ugh. It had a good start but I was never a fan of this author's characters. That's not to disparage them, it's understandable why some of their characters would act the way they do, but regardless I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating. I guess I'll stick it out though to at least see where this goes. Also art is pretty.

I know we use “author” as shorthand for a manga creator, but in this case Momono Moto is simply the artist; the writer is first-time manga creator/voice actress Kitta Izumi. I’m sure MM’s influence is substantial, of course, but credit/blame where it goes.

MM’s art is almost always at least good, and often better than that. Lotta dumpster-fire characters, though.

joined Mar 25, 2020

Yup. Never fall in love with someone who isn't finished loving someone else.

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating.

Yeah, Momono Moto is definitely not for you. Even if, as people have pointed out, she didn't write the script for this one, it's still a very Momono style story.

Also, you might wanna give Kodama Naoko a miss too.

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating.

Yeah, Momono Moto is definitely not for you. Even if, as people have pointed out, she didn't write the script for this one, it's still a very Momono style story.

Except Yuunagi Marbled. Everyone should read Yuunagi Marbled.

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Except Yuunagi Marbled. Everyone should read Yuunagi Marbled.

Oh, I can also recommend her one-shots. A girl in ultramarine is still one of my favorite yuri stories. But anything in her one-shot collections should probably be okay.

Edit: personally, as someone who does enjoy Momono's trademark schemes and drama, I think Yuunagi Marbled is a bit too bland. But as far as Momono's work goes, it definitely fits OP's taste more than, say, my personal favorite.

last edited at May 24, 2020 10:18PM

Rsz_1rsz_0232-006
joined Mar 16, 2018

Ughh every time I see a new chapter of this I’m like

joined Oct 25, 2014

The problem with this thing is not the drama. The problem is that the characters don't seem to react to it. Liz clearly felt bad after fucking around with asshole-senpai, bad enough to cry a few times afterwards. Yet, in the party she's letting senpai get close to her all over again. She's not reacting, she's not doing anything to change her situation. Then we have Maki, who has been a non-entity for while now. All this drama was basically passing around her without she even noticing that something was going on. And she's supposed to be the MC? This isn't how you write an MC. Anyway, now finally she might find out what's going on. The question is, is she gonna react to it and, I don't know, dump Liz's sorry ass, maybe? Or is she just gonna brush the whole thing off and keep being the passive non-entity she's been so far?

If the characters don't start doing something about all this shit, the drama is pointless.

Someone in a previous post said this manga was realistic and well-written. I won't comment on the realistic part, but I can tell you it isn't well written. It's pretty crappy writing actually.

last edited at May 24, 2020 11:51PM

joined May 25, 2020

well i think sumire is manipulating liz. i bet maki will dump liz and sumire uses this to make liz dependant on her to then dump her again to prove her point of girl on girl relationships wont work. atleast i hope something like this happen

Hana3
joined Mar 22, 2018

Delicious what, though? More salt?

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Ughh every time I see a new chapter of this I’m like

Not to sound rude, but nobody is forcing you to read it.

Liz clearly felt bad after fucking around with asshole-senpai, bad enough to cry a few times afterwards. Yet, in the party she's letting senpai get close to her all over again. She's not reacting, she's not doing anything to change her situation.

You're forgetting that Liz' senpai is also her band's sponsor. Keeping things cordial is not only sensible but also necessary. Besides, Sumire is a manipulative toxic bitch, and Liz still has feelings for her, which makes her even easier to manipulate. It's hard to deal with a situation like that.

As for the rest of your comment, well, same goes as above. You can just ignore this manga if you don't like it.

i bet maki will dump liz and sumire uses this to make liz dependant on her to then dump her again to prove her point of girl on girl relationships wont work.

I'm not going to risk any predictions because it's hard to tell with this author. But I don't think Sumire would dump Liz just to prove a point. If anything, she's aiming to make Liz her plaything, while, idk, getting married to some random guy on the side? Could happen.

last edited at May 25, 2020 3:18AM

dasjadaniels
joined Aug 21, 2015

Liz don't fall for that shit Maki love u that blonde hair bitch need to leave but I do like me some drama

dasjadaniels
joined Aug 21, 2015

I feel like Maki is going to leave because she hurt but Liz going to have tears n remind her of that contact

joined Jan 19, 2017

Ugh. It had a good start but I was never a fan of this author's characters. That's not to disparage them, it's understandable why some of their characters would act the way they do, but regardless I am not a fan of manipulative games, love triangles, zero attempts at communication, and cheating.

I know we use “author” as shorthand for a manga creator, but in this case Momono Moto is simply the artist; the writer is first-time manga creator/voice actress Kitta Izumi. I’m sure MM’s influence is substantial, of course, but credit/blame where it goes.

Will keep in mind. Actually the style of the starting story was different enough that I didn't realize Momono Moto contributed until I looked at who the authors were and assumed MM must have contributed to the story cause the above elements were very present.

Except Yuunagi Marbled. Everyone should read Yuunagi Marbled.

Oh, I can also recommend her one-shots. A girl in ultramarine is still one of my favorite yuri stories. But anything in her one-shot collections should probably be okay.

Edit: personally, as someone who does enjoy Momono's trademark schemes and drama, I think Yuunagi Marbled is a bit too bland. But as far as Momono's work goes, it definitely fits OP's taste more than, say, my personal favorite.

Funny enough, I actually did not like Yuunagi Marbled and from what I've read of Ignorance that's available on dynasty, I found there were some cringe, hope-nothing-bad-happens moments but I'm hopeful for it overall. So I guess Momono's works are pretty hit or miss for me and it varies for which ones I personally find enjoyable or don't.

Murcielago_reiko
joined Dec 9, 2019

This chapter just pissed me off...

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

Is it common to see lesbians who are still hung up by their ex-partner?

I mean, that depend on how you break up with your ex. Also that's something that doesn't concern specifically lesbians. Some persons still hang up with her exs if they didn't break up on bad terms.

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

Funny enough, I actually did not like Yuunagi Marbled

That's fine--I'm sure your life will be unchanged now that you are dead to me.

Mint
joined Jun 5, 2015

cecile posted:

Liz exploits Maki, but that seems to be just a part of their slave play. BDSM undertones are all over this story. And it's consensual as far as we can tell.

There's difference between BDSM dynamic/"slave" live and abusive relationship/being a shitty girlfriend/person. I'd argue most of Liz antics fall into latter category and Maki willingness to try BDSM doesn't give her license for doing anything she feels like. Also important thing to remember about contracts like that is that they're not legally binding in any way, shape or form and are more of a way for both parties to set on concrete rules and be able to recheck and revisit it every time they want. If someone actually forces you to sing something that could be taken to court cough 50 shades cough then it should be your biggest red flag to turn back, run and never look back.

cecile posted:

Also, you might wanna give Kodama Naoko a miss too.

Yes. Because she never, writes anything that's good or fluffy (and honestly most of her one-shots are fine). As was said many times. She can write happy, fluffy stories. She just isn't interested in doing so most of the time.

Lilliwyt posted:

Is it common to see lesbians who are still hung up by their ex-partner?

I mean, that depend on how you break up with your ex. Also that's something that doesn't concern specifically lesbians. Some persons still hang up with her exs if they didn't break up on bad terms.

I think Terry means more specifically still not being over your past lover, but yes, it's not something exclusive to lesbians, but more depends on the kind of person you are and how exactly you broke up. Especially if you were deeply in love or together for a long time, it can take a long time to stop caring for other person and you might even never really get over your love for them.

last edited at May 25, 2020 9:40AM

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Is it common to see lesbians who are still hung up by their ex-partner?

Honestly? Yes.

There's difference between BDSM dynamic/"slave" live and abusive relationship/being a shitty girlfriend/person. I'd argue most of Liz antics fall into latter category and Maki willingness to try BDSM doesn't give her license for doing anything she feels like.

Well there's an important distinction here. The "sleep on the floor to make room for the bear" and "using Maki as a horse" things are arguably just play.

On the other hand, Liz does behave like a spoiled child and often mistreats Maki simply because she can't handle her own emotions. The way she reacts to getting those earrings, for instance, is just childish. So yeah, she can be an idiot at times.

Also important thing to remember about contracts like that is that they're not legally binding in any way, shape or form and are more of a way for both parties to set on concrete rules and be able to recheck and revisit it every time they want. If someone actually forces you to sing something that could be taken to court cough 50 shades cough then it should be your biggest red flag to turn back, run and never look back.

I think we can both agree that Liz's "slave contract" is just a joke. It really doesn't have any legal value whatsoever.

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