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20220118_232511_50
joined Jun 3, 2015

No. More likely she has tachycardia caused by anxiety and dehydration.

Edit: It should be noted that Aya had gone from walking outside in February cold, to entering a very warm subway car. The sudden shift in temperature caused her blood vessels to undilate, creating a normal drop in blood pressure. Her heart had to increase its beat rate, and because of her stress levels and irregular diet, it went beyond a normal rate.

I dunno. I live somewhere where it gets to -35C, even -40C is not unheard of, every winter, and I've never heard of such a thing. And I go outside for a walk every freaking day.

You'd be surprised, shifts in temperature really do have large effects. Heart attacks are more common in winter, because the cold will raise blood pressure which can be harder on the heart and also loosen plaques that can cause blockages.

last edited at Jul 13, 2025 1:43PM

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

If people in works of fiction talked like sane people, half the books, movies, TV shows, and gay-ass manga in the world wouldn't exist.

And we would all be better for it. These kinds of contrived "conflicts" always feels like low quality fanfiction where the author either don't know how to create compelling communicating characters or they are out of ideas.

What is contrived about this situation exactly? Someone feeling insecure and stressed doesn't discuss their insecurity and stress with loved ones. That feels not only incredibly common, but as evidenced by the first time Aya avoided Mitsuki, very in character.

The argument that open communication is "normal" in real life and the lack of it contrived in fiction often comes up, maybe because readers are so used to seeing both the exterior actions and interior motivations of fictional characters that the solutions to fictional conflicts seem to be so "obvious" and "straightforward"--"Just tell [MC] what's going on!"

Meanwhile, back in real life, the number one issue in couples and family counseling is--wait for it--"communication issues."

Yeah communication issues are normal between people in every kind of relationship. That's why my frustration with the lack of communication here is acknowledging that it's coming from an audience perspective, and how the solution is right there and we're powerless to help the character(s) reach that point. From an in-universe and character perspective it makes sense that the character is having a hard time reaching that point.

Img_0057
joined Jan 2, 2021

God, this drama is so forced it’s painful.

Touhou%20autismo
joined Nov 2, 2023

God, this drama is so forced it’s painful.

I really don't agree there, this shit that just happens regularly irl and it's not contrived

joined Feb 22, 2018

No. More likely she has tachycardia caused by anxiety and dehydration.

Edit: It should be noted that Aya had gone from walking outside in February cold, to entering a very warm subway car. The sudden shift in temperature caused her blood vessels to undilate, creating a normal drop in blood pressure. Her heart had to increase its beat rate, and because of her stress levels and irregular diet, it went beyond a normal rate.

I dunno. I live somewhere where it gets to -35C, even -40C is not unheard of, every winter, and I've never heard of such a thing. And I go outside for a walk every freaking day.

You'd be surprised, shifts in temperature really do have large effects. Heart attacks are more common in winter, because the cold will raise blood pressure which can be harder on the heart and also loosen plaques that can cause blockages.

Anxiety is the main problem here. I know this from personal experience having had a couple of panic attacks in my student days with an accompanying accelerated heart rate. These happened after days of little sleep and irregular eating/limited fluid intake. Aya is pushing herself to physical exhaustion and her heart is in a borderline state. The sudden transition from a cold to hot environment simply pushed her over the edge.

This kind of anxiety related condition is very common in students. During the February exam periods, hospital ERs in Japan are probably full of students suffering from anxiety attacks, stress related conditions like hypoglycemia and anemia, and accidental overdoses from stimulants or other substances that people overindulged to stay awake etc..... In any case despite her embarrassment, Aya would have found plenty of company in the ER waiting area. The ER procedure for her is pretty straightforward: she would given an EKG by hospital staff as a precaution, and upon discharge she would have been sent home with either orders to get a normal amount of sleep, or been prescribed an OTC sleeping medication like diphenhydramine HCL (better known in the States as the active ingredient in Benadryl, Nytol, and Unisom, among others).

Providing of course that she has a normal EKG readout. But this isn't that kind of manga. Expect plenty of angst over her perceived failure to "keep up with" Mitsuki.

last edited at Jul 14, 2025 3:22AM

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

If people in works of fiction talked like sane people, half the books, movies, TV shows, and gay-ass manga in the world wouldn't exist.

And we would all be better for it. These kinds of contrived "conflicts" always feels like low quality fanfiction where the author either don't know how to create compelling communicating characters or they are out of ideas.

What is contrived about this situation exactly? Someone feeling insecure and stressed doesn't discuss their insecurity and stress with loved ones. That feels not only incredibly common, but as evidenced by the first time Aya avoided Mitsuki, very in character.

The argument that open communication is "normal" in real life and the lack of it contrived in fiction often comes up, maybe because readers are so used to seeing both the exterior actions and interior motivations of fictional characters that the solutions to fictional conflicts seem to be so "obvious" and "straightforward"--"Just tell [MC] what's going on!"

Meanwhile, back in real life, the number one issue in couples and family counseling is--wait for it--"communication issues."

Yeah communication issues are normal between people in every kind of relationship. That's why my frustration with the lack of communication here is acknowledging that it's coming from an audience perspective, and how the solution is right there and we're powerless to help the character(s) reach that point. From an in-universe and character perspective it makes sense that the character is having a hard time reaching that point.

Understood. I was just making the further point that the idea that a failure to communicate in fiction seems “contrived” or “forced” to some people is because we as readers have access to what’s going on inside the characters, and therefore we think we know what the (simple) solution would be—“Just talk to each other!”

That’s the incredibly privileged position readers are put in as compared to real life—we hear what Aya is thinking, we see her exhausting herself as she studies, our attention is drawn to the detail of her damaged fingers, we even are shown a symbolic image of her interior physical pain, none of which the other characters can know. Then, at least to some readers, the absolutely most common single everyday interpersonal dysfunction is regarded as an abnormal and unrealistic failure of characterization.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

If people in works of fiction talked like sane people, half the books, movies, TV shows, and gay-ass manga in the world wouldn't exist.

And we would all be better for it. These kinds of contrived "conflicts" always feels like low quality fanfiction where the author either don't know how to create compelling communicating characters or they are out of ideas.

What is contrived about this situation exactly? Someone feeling insecure and stressed doesn't discuss their insecurity and stress with loved ones. That feels not only incredibly common, but as evidenced by the first time Aya avoided Mitsuki, very in character.

The argument that open communication is "normal" in real life and the lack of it contrived in fiction often comes up, maybe because readers are so used to seeing both the exterior actions and interior motivations of fictional characters that the solutions to fictional conflicts seem to be so "obvious" and "straightforward"--"Just tell [MC] what's going on!"

Meanwhile, back in real life, the number one issue in couples and family counseling is--wait for it--"communication issues."

Yeah communication issues are normal between people in every kind of relationship. That's why my frustration with the lack of communication here is acknowledging that it's coming from an audience perspective, and how the solution is right there and we're powerless to help the character(s) reach that point. From an in-universe and character perspective it makes sense that the character is having a hard time reaching that point.

Understood. I was just making the further point that the idea that a failure to communicate in fiction seems “contrived” or “forced” to some people is because we as readers have access to what’s going on inside the characters, and therefore we think we know what the (simple) solution would be—“Just talk to each other!”

That’s the incredibly privileged position readers are put in as compared to real life—we hear what Aya is thinking, we see her exhausting herself as she studies, our attention is drawn to the detail of her damaged fingers, we even are shown a symbolic image of her interior physical pain, none of which the other characters can know. Then, at least to some readers, the absolutely most common single everyday interpersonal dysfunction is regarded as an abnormal and unrealistic failure of characterization.

I agree, sometimes things can feel a bit forced and that can vary person to person depending on their perspective, plus tolerances. I should also apologize for confusing the conversation, I jumped into the response chain kind of out the blue since I had expressed some frustrations of my own with the lack of communication before you and others were discussing it.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

I agree, sometimes things can feel a bit forced and that can vary person to person depending on their perspective, plus tolerances. I should also apologize for confusing the conversation, I jumped into the response chain kind of out the blue since I had expressed some frustrations of my own with the lack of communication before you and others were discussing it.

No apology necessary at all--just an ordinary, everyday glitch in communication. :-)

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

I agree, sometimes things can feel a bit forced and that can vary person to person depending on their perspective, plus tolerances. I should also apologize for confusing the conversation, I jumped into the response chain kind of out the blue since I had expressed some frustrations of my own with the lack of communication before you and others were discussing it.

No apology necessary at all--just an ordinary, everyday glitch in communication. :-)

Fair, thanks. Yeah I figured I should at least give a friendly heads up that I wasn’t who you were responding to previously, just since I jumped into the convo so suddenly lol

BeanBeanKingdom
Ms_icon
joined Nov 3, 2018

I wouldn't want to meet that Mitsuki in a dark alley, I'd get the hell polished out of my nails.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

Time for nail therapy

joined Mar 23, 2022

Mitsuki being thoughtful at it's finest.

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

Oh also I have a question, for the Yen Press release I was wondering if anyone knows how many chapters volume 1 covers and volume 2 as well. Is there a good estimate to how far volume 3 will get? I'm curious how many volumes we'd need to reach to catch up to this present chapter.

S-l225
joined Jun 28, 2016

Oh also I have a question, for the Yen Press release I was wondering if anyone knows how many chapters volume 1 covers and volume 2 as well. Is there a good estimate to how far volume 3 will get? I'm curious how many volumes we'd need to reach to catch up to this present chapter.

Well last chapter in book 2 of the series is web episode 72. So its about 36 chapters per book, so todays chapter would be in book 4.

last edited at Jul 20, 2025 4:52AM

Leaping%20cow
joined Sep 27, 2017

Oh also I have a question, for the Yen Press release I was wondering if anyone knows how many chapters volume 1 covers and volume 2 as well. Is there a good estimate to how far volume 3 will get? I'm curious how many volumes we'd need to reach to catch up to this present chapter.

Well last chapter in book 2 of the series is web episode 72. So its about 36 chapters per book, so todays chapter would be in book 4.

Thanks! That's good to know, from my understanding we'll get the first kiss in volume 4 then, so that's something to look forward to in terms of the print reaching that milestone.

X2(edited)2
joined Jan 2, 2022

God, Aya crying really got to me. My poor baby! Mitsuki! Give her all the hugs!

joined Jul 8, 2019

134 - 3: Been there, done that. Like many others have. Part of marriage. Congrats, ladies: you can start choosing courtains now

last edited at Jul 20, 2025 8:51AM

1453e55cc3ab545974cae651c20afaf3
joined May 28, 2021

Mitsuki knows her so well by this point! Everything is going to be just fine ^_^

Roody
joined Feb 11, 2022

Mitsuki once again being a good girlfriend

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

Clever girl.

Img_0215
joined Jul 29, 2017

I think that at this point we need to just trust that even the angst and drama are going to end up being adorable.

Aoi%20nagisa%20-%20s
joined Aug 17, 2012

Looks like Aya's mum could do with a little reassurance and comfort as well - with three kids it's easy to miss signs. It doesn't make her bad, just human.

Nobody
joined Aug 17, 2019

Girlfriend material right there

3737720892d1604e82a1e6a88a44b5f5
joined Jul 29, 2024

Fuck they are too good together. My girl ran all the way there with just a shirt, that's true dedication.

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