Forum › A Lying Bride's Case for Same-Sex Marriage discussion

Ese%20len
joined Apr 26, 2017

it will be funny if same sex marriage is legalised in the next year and depening on the senate results could become more likely

joined Dec 20, 2020

Y'know, it needed details and room to breathe but the general idea that they got together after bride lady finalized her divorce and established her independence is actually a pretty good resolution. If she had started their relationship while still in a vulnerable position it would have probably been a source of tension and self depreciation even after she got back on her feet. Shame the series got cut (that's what happened right?)

joined Jul 8, 2019

If she'd moved out to stand on her own but they'd kept in touch, it wouldn't feel like an ass-pull. Or even if she'd reached out after a while. Instead they run into each other two years later, at just the right moment, both still available. Lame coincidence plot.

Fair points, but have two counterpoints:
- They NOT being in contact is actually the key point of the resolution (allow me to quote Jumbo_Senior, "rushed ending but complete resolution"), because Gotou (do we ever learn her first name?) needed to get her shit together on her own, without Reis help; if they had been in contact, that wouls0t have been the case.
- They both being still available is... not a coincidence; is more or less obvious it would be the case. One of them (Rei) is stated to be horribly bad at scoring at lesbian bars- errr, I mean, to have a long history of not finding partners. The other has quite recently discovered she likes women; she still being alone right after a divorce is... quite realistic. Both of them not finding a couple in a while is quite aceptable.
And given the FIRST counterpoint, they finding eact other by sher chance was basically the only "not asspulled" outcome.

They finding each other RIGHT AS THE GIANT TV SCREEN SAYS "OK, YOU CAN MARRY NOW?" I concede you the point, that is the biggest asspulled coincidence ever! :-)

Capturar
joined Jun 27, 2018

Kodama Naoko has been really mellow as of late, huh.

joined Jan 14, 2020

needed to get her shit together on her own, without Reis help; if they had been in contact, that wouls0t have been the case.

I dunno, I don't see how having phone calls or social media or even coffee dates would compromise her going independent.

Golden Brown
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joined Jul 10, 2016

This series is officially no longer kosher (nor halal, for that matter), not after that ridiculously ham-handed deus ex televisia.

Subtlety? Artful exposition? The fuck are those? Not anything on that two-page spread, that's for sure!

Pretty all right manga otherwise.

1pixel
joined Dec 3, 2010

Gotou san, I personally think that you aren't taking advantage. You cooked meals for her too. See, she could only eat bread for breakfast when you left laughs
Oh but Miki san found love in the bar instead haha

She even got herself a fiancee ..
Oh! Is that what the first page refers to? Ah haha!

Oh..
A happy ending for the manga
That's nice ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

And Nodama sensei's works are mostly end with happy ending, ok.
points at Renai Manga

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Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

needed to get her shit together on her own, without Reis help; if they had been in contact, that wouls0t have been the case.

I dunno, I don't see how having phone calls or social media or even coffee dates would compromise her going independent.

The reason she left in the first place was because if she stayed, she didn't think she'd have the willpower to resist relying on her.

I do think she could have been more direct about "I'm going to go home, divorce my husband, and get my own shit together" but I do feel like she probably was worried about making Rei wait for her.

The fact that they happen to cross in the street is a coincidence, but it's a deliberate one. It's how they "got together" the first time, so it's reinforcing that sense of fate. I saw the TV saying "You can get married now" as just for our sake, you could already see from Miki's post on social media that Rei's gay friends are starting to marry off in the aftermath of the law, so it's not like it's news to them.

I dunno, it's a little clunky, but I don't have any serious problems with it.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

Gotou san, I personally think that you aren't taking advantage. You cooked meals for her too. See, she could only eat bread for breakfast when you left laughs

Yeah, but the important thing is that she felt like she wasn't a functional person. She needed to be able to stand on her own before she could stand with someone else.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017
  • They both being still available is... not a coincidence; is more or less obvious it would be the case. One of them (Rei) is stated to be horribly bad at scoring at lesbian bars- errr, I mean, to have a long history of not finding partners. The other has quite recently discovered she likes women; she still being alone right after a divorce is... quite realistic. Both of them not finding a couple in a while is quite aceptable.

Gotou also was probably explicitly waiting for this specifically.

D5aad09a-7f7c-4c16-aad1-2b0b94587149
joined Nov 13, 2022

This was a satisfactory ending :)

Edit: wanted to see a non-angsty kiss tho

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joined Oct 20, 2017

This was a satisfactory ending :)

Edit: wanted to see a non-angsty kiss tho

Yeah it's the ending I wanted basically. Maybe the volume 2 extras show a bit more flirting?

autumnwillow
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joined Aug 24, 2024

I’m not clear that there’s any cheating going here, or for that matter any lying…

Eat%20ass
joined Aug 18, 2015

I was hesitant to read this at first, what with the title and tags, but it was so much better than I expected. I don't know if Kodama Naoko was drawing from personal experiences when writing this, but it all feels very real and true-to-life.

Gotou, especially, was very well written. She had a very satisfying (and personally quite relatable) story arc.

She accomplished things by making herself into what others wanted from her, being who people wanted her to be. When finally faced with a demand she was literally unable to meet, having a child, she was faced with the fact that she didn't know how to live if she wasn't just serving other people.

This scene in chapter 2 sets up her character arc. She coasted by, doing what was asked of her because she believed that was just how things were for women in the workplace. Shigisawa defied that assumption by being proactive and successful in her work, planting the seed that would later lead to Gotou's development as an individual capable of doing things for herself rather than only living to please others.

Chapter 8 states all this more plainly. Gotou doesn't know how to put herself first. That's why she doesn't contact Shigisawa after leaving. She was determined to become self-sufficient and learn how to take care of herself without relying on others. Was it necessary to fully cut Shigisawa out of her life for that year before they met again? Maybe, maybe not, but there's a reason she did it that I consider fairly reasonable.

All in all, a well told story, perhaps held back by being just a bit short. Another few chapters might have helped, but that ends up backfiring about as often as it helps, so maybe it's better to go a bit short.

Tron-legacy
joined Dec 11, 2017

I’m not clear that there’s any cheating going here, or for that matter any lying…

People have different thresholds for what they consider cheating, so milage may vary, but I think almost anybody would classify trying to make out with another woman while married to a guy that is calling you qualifies.

I mean, It gets stopped before going too far, but this is definitely an attempt.

I don't think it's very contemptable, honestly, she and her husband are at least separated at this point, it's not like there's much trust being broken, and she's obviously struggling with emotions she hasn't fully processed. But I'd still call it cheating.

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joined Jan 18, 2021

This series is officially no longer kosher (nor halal, for that matter), not after that ridiculously ham-handed deus ex televisia.

Subtlety? Artful exposition? The fuck are those? Not anything on that two-page spread, that's for sure!

Pretty all right manga otherwise.

I agree. I really liked the manga, but the ending was absolutely lame. It had the appearance of a final episode for a series that had been canceled.

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joined Jan 18, 2021

it will be funny if same sex marriage is legalised in the next year and depening on the senate results could become more likely

In my dreams. I mean that in a positive way, but I doubt that it will happen.

autumnwillow
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joined Aug 24, 2024

I’m not clear that there’s any cheating going here, or for that matter any lying…

People have different thresholds for what they consider cheating, so milage may vary, but I think almost anybody would classify trying to make out with another woman while married to a guy that is calling you qualifies.

I mean, It gets stopped before going too far, but this is definitely an attempt.

I don't think it's very contemptable, honestly, she and her husband are at least separated at this point, it's not like there's much trust being broken, and she's obviously struggling with emotions she hasn't fully processed. But I'd still call it cheating.

Hm, it honestly never crossed my mind that making out with someone could be cheating… but that does make sense when you explain it that way. Is more about how the mysterious husband would regard it.

RileysticDani
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joined Aug 23, 2022

Great message: find your place in life, doesn't matter how scary or how hard it is, until same sex marriage is legislated.

I'll always love Kodama Naoko.

Ese%20len
joined Apr 26, 2017

https://x.com/powder705/status/1928185325173567945 the real version of the cat hoodie

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joined Mar 25, 2019

Man being a mangaka must be tough as fuck. That's why it always bothers me when readers go for personal attacks on authors, especially considering a lot them read it for free on sites like this one. It's just vile to me.

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joined Sep 10, 2022

Man being a mangaka must be tough as fuck. That's why it always bothers me when readers go for personal attacks on authors, especially considering a lot them read it for free on sites like this one. It's just vile to me.

Same. It annoys me as well. I typically try and say something when that happens.

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