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And so it's off to a fresh start together. ^_^
Very hopeful ending. No need to see where they go. The decision to try for something new together is the point, considering where she was mentally before. Was the novel chapter included as part of the official release or was that added by the team? I enjoyed the added context. It made the ending even more positive and it was nice hearing more of her thoughts, especially about their relationship--made her feelings even more tender and ticked the last box I had about the two of them.
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Damn, human beings suck. If you wanna be self destructive and drag down someone else with you, at least have the decency to limit it to the people who hurt you in the first place. Don’t just pick a random stranger and dump a bunch of pain and trauma on them like that.
Saki is a stronger person than me. If I got that emotionally involved with someone about to take their own life, then they told me “eh, I never really cared about you. I just wanted to see if I could get you to care about me before I killed myself” I would be fuckin livid. It’d be a murder happening in there, not a suicide lol
That other manga about suici can end like this
And for the first time, I saw the weeping woman in front of me as a 'human being'. And I think it truly shook me.
Hot damn
Thanks for the translation! Grateful that you all translated the extra chapter as well, which really seals the tone of the story for me.
Was the novel chapter included as part of the official release or was that added by the team?
The extra chapter release was part of the official manga volume release. I assume it was also written by Ru, however I did not find it in their novel works on pixiv. The manga covers the original novel written by Ru which is all from Yumimaru's POV, but the manga also seems to incorporate parts of the separate prequel from Konno's POV into chapter 8.
Both characters have struggled with the experience of not being seen as the human beings they are while having lived in this city. And having lived devoid of meaningful human connection, they both take turns fumbling with this relationship they build together. Like Yunimaru, when she was given the necklace by Konno. And Konno with her desire to hurt Yunimaru with her death. Konno who seems to have failed to been seen as a human being during her life so far, seeming to throw things at the wall and hoping something would stick, in an attempt to continue to live.
The ultimately hopeful ending is still bittersweet in that aspect, I hope these two can continue to build upon their relationship and recover from the ennui they have experienced.
I don't get the ending and even though it's an open one so whatever.
The only interrogation I have is why did she slap her ? She was already trying to kill herself, did she have to hit her ?
You know when someone's acting crazy or delusional and you have to slap some sense back into them?
Man am I ever glad I picked this back up now that it's done. I'm very happy with the open ending we got. Could have seen it go either way and leaving it up to the reader's imagination works just as well for me.
Thanks to whoever commissioned SAD to finish this, and to SAD for finishing this.
This was fantastic, I love it. The symbolism in the whole final chapter is super well done. I feel kinda bad for the people confused, because imo this is an extremely clear and straightforward ending, if you can read between the lines. :P
To be clear for those folks: this is unambiguously a happy ending. They're ending their old lives but getting new ones by leaving town together. The point of Konno's inner monologue is to show that while what she thought she wanted was to hurt someone, to left a mark with her death, what she actually wanted was for someone to see her as a person and care about her. And in realizing that, she also realizes she feels the same way about Yunimaru.
There's a lot more past that, like Yunimaru's side of the ending, but what's in this post of enough to know the ending is happy.
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I, for one, I'm slightly disappointed, I think this ended up way less interesting that I thought it would be at the beginning. The story turned out to be very simple - Konno was suicidal because she was lonely, and no one cared about her. Someone finally does, things got better, the end :P The revelation that Yunimaru was essentially picked at random is a bit surprising, but doesn't change a whole lot looking at the story in retrospect. Nothing wrong with simple stories, but I feel like the authors tried their hardest to tell this is in the most roundabout way possible, I guess I just expected something more. It was okay :P
Glad Saki wasn't too late. :-)
I don't get the ending and even though it's an open one so whatever.
The only interrogation I have is why did she slap her ? She was already trying to kill herself, did she have to hit her ?I think the slap came from her own frustration. She was frustrated that Konno was trying to take her own life, and even more so when it turned out to be true. as seen on page 18.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/summer_lemon_and_overlay_ch08#18
I think Saki was, at some subconscious level, aware of Konno deliberately playing with her feelings all along, so that slap was a payback for the emotion pain she caused her. And, as @shrimpmayo said above, she may have also assumed that Konno was acting in extreme affect and slapped her across the face as a way to bring her back to reality.
Damn, human beings suck. If you wanna be self destructive and drag down someone else with you, at least have the decency to limit it to the people who hurt you in the first place. Don’t just pick a random stranger and dump a bunch of pain and trauma on them like that.
I agree that what Konno did was morally reprehensible, but I can also understand where she was coming from. Judging by her words, she has spent three decades obediently exorcising every last bit of her agency and self-efficacy from herself. She then had an early mid-life crisis and began breaking bad, trying to experience everything she had missed up on within three months. Konno effectively has the mindset and emotional maturity of a nine-year old child paired with means and power of a well-off adult in her prime. There is a reason why kids should learn social responsibility and boundaries while they are still kids, because if you grow up like Konno, without empathy for pain that your actions can cause, you will hurt people. And while I think Konno's manipulation of Saki was wrong, I think that her family is partially at fault for causing this entire situation in the first place.
I think Saki was, at some subconscious level, aware of Konno deliberately playing with her feelings all along,
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/summer_lemon_and_overlay_ch06#26
so that slap was a payback for the emotion pain she caused her.
we see her in pain already, before the slap.
that's imo the climax of chapter 7.
Konno has already left a mark on Saki.
maybe she's just returning the favour?
Uhm, am I the only one who doesn't necessarily see this as a happy ending at all?
"I wanted to run away, go as far as possible."
"...and what would you do once you get there?"
"What do you think?"
"...then, let me come with you."
Their happy faces as they run away isn't at all indicative of a bad ending, but I don't know, I feel like the author could turn it around at the drop of a hat if they wanted to.
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Yeah but they don't want to. They're throwing away their bad old lives to build a new happy one together, that's unreservedly a happy ending
I think it's okay for everyone to have their own interpretation of this ending-- and whether it's satisfying or not to you will depend on a lot of factors.
Personally, both characters weren't happy with their lives and this whole whirlwind of an experience I feel is helpful for them to shed their past lives and try and look forward to experiencing new things together. I think that's a decent ending for me, given that the alternative would be Konno dying and Saki being sad and guilty at her funeral etc.
What Konno did, was definitely manipulative and horrible, but I think her plea for help and care was sincere, and ultimately I think despite Saki's reservations, she made her own choice to chase after Konno. I think Saki's admission about pride is partly about wanting Konno to ask her about her name herself, but also likely her realization that asking Konno to live (thinking that she could save Konno herself) was prideful of her.
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Maybe it worked better as a novel but I feel like it was a bit rushed as a manga.
Yeah but they don't want to. They're throwing away their bad old lives to build a new happy one together, that's unreservedly a happy ending
It's two people running away who-knows-where, urged on by a sudden wave of euphoria, after one of them tried to literally hang herself. The amount of happiness being dispensed here seems pretty conservative to me. Which is fine! I think trying to lock down the ending to unambiguously happy does it a disservice.
Very hopeful ending. No need to see where they go.
I accept and appreciate the creative decision to end it here, but I do wonder what happened after this. This woman just tried to kill herself and explained her previous plan to go on a trip to a random destination and then kill herself, and the very next thing she does is go on a trip to a random destination because the woman who saved her offers to accompany her. Sure, Yunimaru's offer to tag along can be read as her giving Konno a chance to blow off some steam while keeping her safe, but the story does not actually spell out that the trip to nowhere does not end in suicide. An optimistic mood is signaled in flower language like the color of the sky, but I believe "is Konno planning to attempt again on the trip" is a question with a bit more weight than e.g. "will they get a cat or a dog when they move in together", and not answering it in a straightforward way is the story intentionally leaving a thorn under the reader's skin.
I, for one, I'm slightly disappointed, I think this ended up way less interesting that I thought it would be at the beginning. The story turned out to be very simple - Konno was suicidal because she was lonely, and no one cared about her. Someone finally does, things got better, the end :P The revelation that Yunimaru was essentially picked at random is a bit surprising, but doesn't change a whole lot looking at the story in retrospect. Nothing wrong with simple stories, but I feel like the authors tried their hardest to tell this is in the most roundabout way possible, I guess I just expected something more. It was okay :P
I'm not confident in assuming Konno is better. Nobody is fine fifteen minutes after a suicide attempt, and considering the issues concerning Konno specifically (most of which remain unresolved), putting her being suicidal in past tense is also overly optimistic. (As much as I enjoy how thirsty Konno sounds in her narration in the extra chapter, she doesn't exactly sound stable.) I also would not assume Yunimaru is fine; desperately promising Konno anything to stop her made sense as an emergency response of sorts, but being responsible for sustaining another person's will to live would put a lot of pressure on her. Maybe taking a trip together can stabilize both of them, but we never get to see the trip itself, much less the end result.
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