Look it's not like I'm trying to be the bad guy here, but she just told this girl, who is supposedly her best friend and who she has been living with for a year, that she had a girlfriend this whole time and she never said a word because she was scared she would treat her like a creep. That's just mean.

I repeat: when was it ever implied that Fukami was Kaze's best friend?

It wasn't really implied, Kase says so herself. And people have been commenting on it, because I don't think any one of the readers saw them as best friends? So it's a bit ironic to have Kase randomly say that, while not having shown them act as friends at all.

I don't think that this arc is that bad at all.

You think Kase putting her long-term relationship up for a bet isn't bad?

I would say something like "it's not a bet if you know you're going to win" but I need to caveat the fact that that's also the gambling addict's motto

Very nice. ^_^

Kase-san sure had some harsh things to say about Kase-san. :P

Look it's not like I'm trying to be the bad guy here, but she just told this girl, who is supposedly her best friend and who she has been living with for a year, that she had a girlfriend this whole time and she never said a word because she was scared she would treat her like a creep. That's just mean.

I repeat: when was it ever implied that Fukami was Kaze's best friend?

It wasn't really implied, Kase says so herself. And people have been commenting on it, because I don't think any one of the readers saw them as best friends? So it's a bit ironic to have Kase randomly say that, while not having shown them act as friends at all.

Yep, basically that. Literally no one would have called them best friends... except Kase apparently, for some reason. Maybe it's a translation thing? Doesn't change much, anyway.

Does Fukami even know who Yamada is?

Probably not lol. But poor Yamada is always treated like the story's punching bag. She does have very squishy-looking cheeks...

I mean, that's a pretty reasonable (and common) fear for someone in the LGBT community, that someone that thought they could trust would do a complete 180° on them and become actively hostile. Forget friends, it's even happened in family. I have cousins who are LGBT, and I have relatives who suddenly shifted to looking down on them when they stopped hiding themselves.

Kase has done a LOT of stupid things this arc - a LOT- but for Kase to be worried about losing someone she considers a friend over something that still continues to be divisive for the intolerant? Not just losing them, but risking them possibly becoming actively hostile? Nah, THAT is reasonable. And real.

It's 100% valid if you think that. For me it's odd that she wouldn't tell someone she calls her best friend, and who she's lived with for a year, such an important part of her life, especially with so much time to suss out how she feels about queer ppl; but then again I've been openly trans in a pretty socially progressive country for a year or so now, my perspective might be different.

At the same time, I think it was too real for a blink-and-you-miss-it comment. I understand that this series is light-hearted, but that was some mighty bomb that Kase dropped with a cheery smile on her face.

I don't think that this arc is that bad at all.

You think Kase putting her long-term relationship up for a bet isn't bad?

Not to mention it's on the heels of some other stuff, like when she assaulted some guy for being too close to her girlfriend. These two are cute, but I have a hard time agreeing with a LOT of things Kase does in the sequel series.

Look it's not like I'm trying to be the bad guy here, but she just told this girl, who is supposedly her best friend and who she has been living with for a year, that she had a girlfriend this whole time and she never said a word because she was scared she would treat her like a creep. That's just mean.

I repeat: when was it ever implied that Fukami was Kaze's best friend?

It wasn't really implied, Kase says so herself. And people have been commenting on it, because I don't think any one of the readers saw them as best friends? So it's a bit ironic to have Kase randomly say that, while not having shown them act as friends at all.

Taking into account that Kase is rather a dolt, and that she doesn’t actually have any real friends (she has Yamada as a lover and she has senpai and fangirls on the team), I can see why she might think that Fukami, who she has lived with and sports-bonded with, would count as her “best friend.”

That’s surely far different from how people here are conceiving of a “best friend,” but neither Kase nor Fukami are exactly communication specialists, and I can certainly imagine that Kase thought that she and Fukami have been getting along great.

And by “creeped out,” I don’t think Kase is saying that she thought that Fukami would react negatively toward her if she knew she was dating a girl, but that telling her could make Fukami personally uncomfortable. As others have said, this is the first time that Kase has actually come out to anyone, as opposed to people figuring out that she and Yamada were together. So it can be seen as a form of (clueless, doltish) personal growth.

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I don't think that this arc is that bad at all.

You think Kase putting her long-term relationship up for a bet isn't bad?

I would say something like "it's not a bet if you know you're going to win" but I need to caveat the fact that that's also the gambling addict's motto

Well, athlete, gambling addict . . . it's kind of similar really.

The "best friend" line surprised me, but it didn't ring that weird once I thought about it. I mean, Kase thinks more like a typical guy athlete than like a modern ordinary person of either gender, let alone like a typical Japanese young woman. For her, spending time with someone and running a lot of races with them = friends. Doesn't matter if they've never said a meaningful word to each other, what's that got to do with friendship?

And that attitude in turn explains why she considers this person a friend and yet had never before considered telling her anything much about herself . . . to her, that's kind of irrelevant. What makes them friends is that they spend time trying to run faster than each other. And to be fair, that in doing so they sort of passively absorb a sense of the other person's character. Communicating facts with words isn't really part of the deal.

Hopefully Fukami finds a girlfriend of her own

Hopefully Fukami finds a girlfriend of her own

Maybe this is just me wearing my shipping goggles, but I definitely feel there's been some hints of her and that other girl who self-proclaims herself as Kase's rival.

Oof that last page just ugh my heart, it felt like a funeral.

I really hate this sequel

KASE-SAN!!!
When your adorable girlfriend who has a heart of gold and is as pure as a child wants to buy kigurumi pajamas for both of you to wear in a pair-look style, you indulge her! You do NOT try to dress her in sexy see-thru lingerie!

Go to horny jail, you wretch.

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Man this is supposed to be an emotional chapter but sadly this manga is so lost in the drama unreasonable tension sauce it doesn't go through the reader. I just can't feel anything. But if you add a vine boom in your head after every line Kase-san becomes much funnier

I have not found this particular arc as stressful as others have found it, but I am quite glad it's over. It would be nice if we could go back to the diabetes-inducing WAFF of the earlier series, but I fear that "We've never fought" line is straight-up foreshadowing.

It's official, Kase-san is just an idiot. Which is good news, we can all like her more.

I fear that "We've never fought" line is straight-up foreshadowing.

It's worse than that, at least as translated: "Like we'd ever fight!" is the jinx to end all jinxes. If this were an anime, there'd be a cut-away to Yamada looking furious and throwing dishwares at the wall and ranting "KASE-SAN!!!"

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If the line "Like we'd ever fight" turns out to be a jinx, that might not be a bad thing. Kase's behavior has been calling for a fight for a while and she's taking many things for granted, while Yamada's consistent refusal to voice her thoughts is also a source of problems. So them fighting for those things once and for all and setting things right might be a good way to clean things up.

This arc was a good example. The issue isn't "just" with Kase and Fukami' behavior, it's how everyone accepted and normalized their actions and didn't take a step back, look at things in a new light, then go talk to them and tell them their actions aren't right.

Of course, the alternative is to pretend the drama didn't happen, Kase and Yamada would never fight, and they'll live together and everything will be fluffy in the future. I'm not gonna pretend I would mind that.

Very nice. ^_^

Kase-san sure had some harsh things to say about Kase-san. :P

For the briefest moment, I considered that maybe, just maybe, when Kase blew off the obvious romantic confession as "Oh, she just means as friends!" that she might have been doing so intentionally to try and let her down easy.

(...A thing which never works, just in case anyone here thinks it does...)

But nope. She is actually that stupid. I mean I guess that's not surprising per se, but still?

The "best friend" line surprised me, but it didn't ring that weird once I thought about it. I mean, Kase thinks more like a typical guy athlete than like a modern ordinary person of either gender, let alone like a typical Japanese young woman. For her, spending time with someone and running a lot of races with them = friends. Doesn't matter if they've never said a meaningful word to each other, what's that got to do with friendship?

Well, not only that, they also live together, occupy the same space throughout both days and nights, and contrary to what you're saying here, actually have shared some meaningful conversations, and taken care of each other? That's why Fukami fell for Kase in the first place, it's not that weird that some of that sense of closeness would develop both ways.

I mean, I was surprised that Kase considers her a best friend, because I was surprised Kase thought of herself as having a best friend, since she seems so independent, (and Yamada-focused,) but if she has one, it would definitely be Fukami.

That line actually made this whole arc make...a little more sense to me, from Kase's perspective? I still think basically every decision she's made throughout was objectively the wrong move, but it makes more sense if she's trying to preserve what she considers a close friendship that seems like it's in jeopardy.

And that attitude in turn explains why she considers this person a friend and yet had never before considered telling her anything much about herself . . . to her, that's kind of irrelevant. What makes them friends is that they spend time trying to run faster than each other. And to be fair, that in doing so they sort of passively absorb a sense of the other person's character. Communicating facts with words isn't really part of the deal.

I do think the fact that Kase has considered Fukami her personal rival almost since they met has a lot of bearing on it as well. Kase is the kind of person that respects and admires the people she competes with.

I kinda want to re-read this series with hindsight now, actually.

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Look it's not like I'm trying to be the bad guy here, but she just told this girl, who is supposedly her best friend and who she has been living with for a year, that she had a girlfriend this whole time and she never said a word because she was scared she would treat her like a creep. That's just mean.

I repeat: when was it ever implied that Fukami was Kaze's best friend?

It wasn't really implied, Kase says so herself. And people have been commenting on it, because I don't think any one of the readers saw them as best friends? So it's a bit ironic to have Kase randomly say that, while not having shown them act as friends at all.

Wow, okay, I completely missed that. Certainly didn't feel like they were besties in their previous interactions.

I have not found this particular arc as stressful as others have found it, but I am quite glad it's over. It would be nice if we could go back to the diabetes-inducing WAFF of the earlier series, but I fear that "We've never fought" line is straight-up foreshadowing.

It may be. At this point, they kind of need to have a fight because this whole arc seems to show that she takes her relationship with Yamada for granted. She was so wrapped up in herself that she cost her girlfriend the apartment that she wanted. At this point, she kind of needs something to snap her out of this and make her realize that she needs to take Yamada's feelings into consideration alongside her own and that she can't just do as she pleases anymore.

It doesn't help that Fukami has essentially been strung along by someone who she thought was single.

Wrong, Fukami knew since the beginning that Kase was dating someone.

Does Fukami even know who Yamada is?

Probably not lol.

She does, they've interacted a few times (when Kase had a cold, then in multiple chapters during the summer trip arc).

It doesn't help that Fukami has essentially been strung along by someone who she thought was single.

Wrong, Fukami knew since the beginning that Kase was dating someone.

Does Fukami even know who Yamada is?

Probably not lol.

She does, they've interacted a few times (when Kase had a cold, then in multiple chapters during the summer trip arc).

Right, and if I recall correctly, the first time they met Fukami gave Yamada the “who tf is this?” eye.

KASE-SAN!!!
When your adorable girlfriend who has a heart of gold and is as pure as a child wants to buy kigurumi pajamas for both of you to wear in a pair-look style, you indulge her! You do NOT try to dress her in sexy see-thru lingerie!

It is an amusing truth that Kase is, in fact, the more adult of the two. Yes, even after betting on a race her moving out of the dorm. (As people have explained before, in Japan putting your workplace and workmates -- or in this case studyplace and studymates -- before your significant other is considered a sign of maturity and responsibility.)

For Yamada, conjugal bliss means dress in cute teddy bear pajamas, have dinner together, talk about how your day went, watch tv, maybe cuddle and kiss if the mood is right. For Kase it's more like sex, sex, sex. Getting Yamada to wear erotic lingerie? Even better.

Go to horny jail, you wretch.

If lusting after Yamada is reason enough to be sent there, she should think about making it her permanent residence.

Right, and if I recall correctly, the first time they met Fukami gave Yamada the “who tf is this?” eye.

I had totally forgotten about those moments amid all the weirdness that was surrounding them. Fukami clearly didn't realize Yamada was Kase's girlfriend though.