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Bielna
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joined Nov 7, 2022

I don't really see the point of this manga.
It's not advocating for lesbians.
It's not advocating for trans women.
It REALLY doesn't seem written by someone who is queer, or even has close queer friends.
So the way I'm reading this is it's written for straight people, by a straight person, who just picked up a random-ass premise for shock value, and the mangaka has neither the artistic nor writing chops to pull it off.

Personally, not offended by it. It just seems. . . Dunno. Very hollow and very schlocky.

That's also the impression I have. Like someone wanted to make a transbian story, while having no personal or connected experience, doing no research, and having pretty bad misconceptions about both lesbians and transgender people.

I think that's the whole reason where I'm just thinking "Wow, that's shitty" rather than being angry at it. I've never been a huge believer of Hanlon's Razor, but this one actually feels like incompetence.

Not every work on our site has to be squeaky clean, nor does it need to "be redeemed down the line"

You don't have to read it.

The biggest issue is people coming into here to keep whipping themselves into a frenzy. Do not.

There's a difference between "squeaky clean" and "outright lesbophobic or transphobic". Which is certainly a possible reading of this first chapter, to be honest. I can't help but remember that work that was pulled (with the agreement of the scanlators) because a woman went on a date with "a man dressed as a woman" and the community rightfully treated it as a transphobic parody of transgender people.

This one, with its "guy transitions because s/he wants to bang a lesbian" plot, is... actually worse ? Sounds pretty normal that people are being concerned, voicing it, and discussing whether they think they should tolerate the lines being crossed or not.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Okay, but serious speculation aside, I'm wondering if "closest adjutants defeated" means we won't get to see the green-haired demon maid or if only Junna was high-ranking enough to stand in the "final battle". What can I see, her face looks so funny that it makes her look sympathetic !

Oh, and since I don't think it was mentioned - the haircut of the older MG matches Junna's, except her hair is bright instead of dark.

Bielna
Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Wow, talk about striking a bunch of "fumbling sensitive topic" flags at once.

The story sounds cute and may end up that way, but I don't think I ever saw a chapter handle this badly both the "lesbians are just women traumatized by bad men" and the "trans women are trying to trick other women" topics. It doesn't even sound like malice, just... really, really, really clumsy.

Honestly I'm wondering if this chapter won't have been removed in a couple of days.

Guess I might stay, though it's mostly just hoping that the conclusion ends up being "and then she was a girl and dating another girl and all was happy" even if we have to hide everything that comes before in the story for the catastrophic way it handled the way there !

last edited at Aug 11, 2026 8:33AM

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

I really like Takanashi's characterization. She's not calculating, evil for the sake of it. She's a teenage girl who loves her sister, and saw both her father and Eko's mother team up to abuse her.

Is the taser a good idea ? Probably not. Is it consistent with Takanashi's behavior ? Absolutely, she's not going to watch Eko and Risa get cute with each other while she can't find another way to save her sister.

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joined Nov 7, 2022

Man, y'all are harsh. Yeah, miscommunication plots can be annoying, but it actually makes sense here. (Psychologically, not saying it's a great idea.) Nana wants to support Lu, she thinks that if Lu knew everything she would refuse to go and risk Nana, thus Nana's keeping quiet.

I think it's because we know we'll have to go through an undetermined amount of chapters to resolve this communication issue. Communication issues can be a effective but I think a lot of us can't help but be in the mindset of here we go again lol

Yes, it's that in these romance manga specifically, these subplots are rarely original in any sense. What this means is it feels as though I'm rereading something in order to get back to what I'd originally found interesting. It therefore feels like my enjoyment was put on pause. That's not as fun. If the track record wasn't so bog standard then there'd be no issue.

So it's not a problem with having miscommunication, it's a problem with the very formulaic structuring of that subplot that these series tend to have. If this one does something unique or meaningful, I'll be happy; but I've made that bet often in romance manga and I've rarely been happy afterwards. In other series with miscommunication it works wonderfully. This is still only a minor issue anyway; so long as it's not super drawn out, it'll pass and be nothing really.

Not to mention that a plot that relies on the characters not knowing something the readers know is usually weaker. It can work wonderfully, of course. Generally with things that rely on tragedy, dramatic irony, or are heavily character-based, you may achieve things that wouldn't be possible otherwise. But to choose that path is a huge risk - and this story hasn't exactly shown it has the strength to pull it off.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

They're two interesting plotlines to tie together. There's the prejudice about a same sex relationship not being normal, and Aki's own sort of prejudice/idealization about things having to be perfect between Aya and Mitsuki. I guess he's going to have to learn that true normality is flawed and true heroes are those who keep pushing through rough patches.

I don't know, I see no interconnect between the two. What's the takeaway ?
You cannot put accepting that no couple is picture perfect next to accepting homophobia and draw parallels without it being an absolutely terrible message. One is fine and one is not. So the explanation is... "here are two different kind of problems that are completely different and unrelated and have a different and unrelated resolution" ?

That's why I find putting the plots in parallel is huge stretch and feels more like we're trying to find excuses of why the story is stretching itself into four different, almost completely unrelated directions (abandoning music, couple tensions, Shu-chan, Aki), rather than observing any meaningful correlation between each of them.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Kind of light on the explanation. Like yes we got some miasma lore, but the specifics of what happened and why she thinks these two have a better chance than most, we were kind of told very little. Where the miasma came from seems not that important right now.

Yeah, pretty much. Right now it feels like the only reason those two would have a chance at succeeding where others, talented mages failed is plot armor. "If it's you too, I believe you might be able to create the perfect seal... for some reason."

I get that the story needed to infodump on Sol Oculus to progress the plot, but it was clumsy.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

"How do you know about NTR but not self-insert fics?"

I mean, she's got a point.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Have you considered that if you just go "hnnng" at the cute yuri parents hard enough, you can't hear the plot holes?

You can even forget that the story doesn't have any idea of what to do with Michi at this point and just quietly erased her. Incredible !

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Locking humans out ? Sounds like those elves are pretty smart, to be honest !

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Honestly I don't even know anymore who I'm shipping with who ! I mean, probably still Yanagi x Mizuki because Yanagi is my favorite and she's pretty clear on her love for Mizuki... But just because I recognize Yanagi's in love doesn't mean it's not a really really bad idea. And I do like Shion too.

Actually, Shion, don't you want to fall in love with the girl no one's paying attention to and who goes to theme parks alone ? Because that'd be really helpful in disentangling the love polyhedron, just sayin'.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

My mouth dropped when I see Ooma's date clothes. Holy damn. When Yuuka said she was gonna dress her up cutely, she wasn't lying.

Hard to tell yet, but the face shape and strands of hair of "him" could match Zai. If that's the case, it would be interesting to see what role a former retainer will play (hopefully an interesting one...).

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

You know, I'm really glad Kyouko turned her (him ?) down and walked away. She outright said she can't stand being around men, then Yuuri comes out and says "I'm a man". Any other reaction would have been disrespectful.

  • Actually, Kyouko doesn't know what she's talking about when she speaks of herself and can be fine around men.
  • She's scared of men, but Yuuri is "special" so Kyouko's boundaries don't count.
  • She cares about what Yuuri looks like, not how Yuuri identifies.

None of those would have been an acceptable outcome.

I think your wrong about no cis man would give up identifying as a man, for a woman. I'm a cis man, but I have no loyalty to my gender. The way I feel is I'm a man only because I was born male, if I magically woke up in a female body tomorrow I would just try to learn to be a woman. I'm sure it would suck for a while but I think I would eventually get use to it And if a woman I loved was rooting for me to be a woman. I think it might end up being an incentive to push me along.

the most cis-brained post ever

I have a suggestion.

last edited at Jun 15, 2026 5:43AM

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

That page two, though. I love it.

"Hachiko, is there something you'd like to tell your readers ? You have one page."
"I know just the right words..."

last edited at Jun 13, 2026 7:14PM

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Poor Nanao continues just get flat out used by the scum that is Asumi

It’s entirely her own fault. She was the one who was too cowardly and set the terms of their relationship. Asumi is just doing what Nanao said she wanted.

Also, we already know Asumi doesn't want a committed relationship with Nanao. It's up to Nanao to decide whether she's okay with having a fwb relationship with someone she has a crush on. She said she was, and honestly, she doesn't seem to hate the arrangement.

One thing that bothers me about a lot of comments in the same vein as the one you replied to is that they feel like they come from the angle of "Nanao has feelings for her, so Asumi should reciprocate". That's not how romantic attraction works, even if a lot of people seem to think that way (toward real-life women too). And if the angle of the comments is instead "if they're not dating, they shouldn't have sex", then... I guess people missed the point of the story ?

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

I still thinks is silly that Ooma should have confessed and made the advances, this chapter implies that it was “improper” for either side to make moves but if Riri is annoyed by Ooma not asking her out on their previous lives and Ooma says she was insecure then that mean there was enough flexibility for either side to ask for a date (and confess) then Riri could but she didn't confess or take the initiative either. I get that is gap-moe characterization for Ooma but still silly lol

In a monarchy, no matter how good the relationship is it would have been absolutely impossible for Riri to actually ask Ooma-sama out, and it would have been purely at the whim of the monarch himself. Unless she herself could be a candidate for a legitimate marriage, at best she might have ended up a consort and at worst, been executed for being a weakness/"handle" for others to use to manipulate the demon lord.

I'm absolutely convinced Ooma was just too chicken to ask her out directly... And her first reflex was to do the same again. It really fits everything we know about what their previous relationship was like.

I suspect it's more that in her previous life, there was an excuse to pretend the dates were something else. Now she doesn't have that excuse anymore and she's actually trying to move forward.

last edited at Jun 9, 2026 5:36PM

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

It's alright, little sis. Your plan was 90% great, that's definitely a passing mark.

It's interesting to see how Rachel speaks/feels about Elysia yet is also the most dense person in the world after the night before. It is making it seem like she didn't think sex and her feelings coincided with each thing

Her perspective is particular given their background, and has a lot of factors are playing into it. For example, the vow she won't betray. Little sis heard this as wedding vows, but it's not what Rachel was referring to. Rachel also has affection for Elysia, but knowing Elysia was a captive, might never have been able or willing to expect that to be reciprocated.

last edited at May 30, 2026 9:21AM

Bielna
Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

Lily-chan's face on page 4 : "Did I get introduced just to be a third wheel ?!"

Bielna
Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

It's honestly a weirdly immature mindset to me. Like yes, the manga portrays it as being so mature. But to me it really feels like the childish urge to come across as so special and unique, "our relationship isn't friendship or romance, it's special and unique, you wouldn't understand, we are so much more enlightened than all those people who would just call it dating".

Honestly yeah, that might be the most reasonable take on it.

I did try to assume the characters know their situation best and their relationship is firmly established and understood, hence why I said "taking what Sakurako says at face value" and looked at the tags in that light. I've now changed my mind.

The easiest and only reasonable way to read this manga is that they are indeed girlfriend (how they live their relationship is up to them, "girlfriends" encompasses a lot of things after), and the refusal to use labels because "muh special" comes from immaturity from either the characters or the author.

The readers replying in the comments saying "they're a romantic couple, but they're not girlfriends !" just emphasized and made me realize the nonsense of the premise of this chapter (refusing "labels" as if there's only one type of romantic relationship, or as if they'd lose something if they called themselves girlfriends) and made me realize trying to go with what the manga says isn't mature, it's just silly.

Whether the author got tunnel vision and tried to maintain a "they're not girlfriends" narrative while writing them as girlfriends, or it's all an elaborate meta-joke about "they're roommates", I don't know. Nor do I think it's particularly smart, as there doesn't seem to be a theme or message being sent there other than "they're special". Either way, at some point, it's not worth trying to stick to what the author or characters say, over what the actual story itself says.

last edited at May 25, 2026 12:34PM

Bielna
Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

'girlfriend' 'dating' 'relationship'
all of these are DESCRIPTIVE terms, not prescriptive ones

Yes, that's the point. Sakurako explicitly rejects her relationship with Kasumi being described as 'dating', 'girlfriends' or anything similar. Hinako's intent hardly matters here when Sakurako explicitly says they're not dating, so the term should not apply, either prescriptively or descriptively.

(One might argue that they are "girlfriends in denial", and I can see how one would feel they're girlfriends in all but name, but at this point, with their relationship clearly established and the "progress" part of the manga clearly over, it seems it would be the reader claiming that who's in denial. I'm assuming we should take what Sakurako says at face value. This would not apply if we were still in the middle of the story or the relationship was still taking shape.)

Given that the manga explicitly rejects them being girlfriends, it honestly seems weird that Dynasty would apply to their relationship the tag Couple Life (it's debatable what makes a 'couple' but generally that assumes two people are dating ; though I suppose roommates could be described as a couple too), and especially Romance (after explicitly denying they're girlfriends).

As it stands, it feels like the tags are claiming something the text explicitly rejects, and honestly, it feels weird - like we're forcing our interpretation of their relationship onto them against the characters' own words.

last edited at May 24, 2026 11:33AM

Bielna
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joined Nov 7, 2022

Wasn't expecting the manga to actually explicitly confirms there isn't anything more going on or to be expected "behind the scenes". They're not dating, not girlfriends and not planning to get married, just friends who love each other and live together. And good for them, because it really summarizes the vibe of the story, but...

Kinda feels like the tags should reflect it. I'm not as familiar as some others with the tags on this site but there should be some better combination than those presently used, like romance and/or couple life feeling off when they're explicitly not dating, and something else to replace it and better characterize their relationship, no ?

It seems a bit strange that a story where them not being girlfriends is the point would have the exact same set of tags as other stories where the characters are girlfriends. Something something trying to apply little boxes (tags) to a relationship that doesn't fit in them.

last edited at May 24, 2026 10:01AM

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joined Nov 7, 2022

USD 5 that Shouya-kun has his own, unexpected news to share.

Raising that on him having a boyfriend.

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joined Nov 7, 2022

Both moms' radars are way too strong for their daughters to avoid.

last edited at May 17, 2026 10:50PM

Bielna
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joined Nov 7, 2022

I'd say all three have the rich and beautiful as common archetypes, and there are certainly great manhua that have nothing do with the upper class, I think it's more the perfect person archetypes that are less interesting to me. Like having no flaws is to me a boring character type.

At least that doesn't apply here, Lin Yan is far from flawless.

Couple_under_the_stars
joined Nov 7, 2022

"Evie would be proud of me, right ?"

Yvonne : planning three moves ahead after realizing her opponents just made a powerful political move.

last edited at Apr 27, 2026 6:17AM