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we should form opinions about fictional characters as if they were work of fiction. Yes, they simulate real life human experience but an enjoyable Character / good character is not the same as a real life good person/ enjoyable person.

This is a facile argument. Characters are analyzed on multiple axes. We are not in any way obligated to analyze every character purely on the dispassionate intellectual basis of how well or how poorly the character works within a piece of fiction. Especially since this isn't academia and nobody here is doing anything other than giving their thoughts about a work like a neighborhood book club.

Indeed, part of analyzing how well or how poorly a character works within a piece of fiction involves the emotional reactions that character produces within the audience. Dolores Umbridge was a fantastic villain who expertly served her specific literary purpose within Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. And part of the reason she worked so well is because people absolutely hated her. She provoked a strong emotional response within the audience, and that is usually the sign of a well-written character. If she had been a bland character to whom people were mostly indifferent, she wouldn't have worked nearly as well.

So the idea that we can't react to a character as though they were a real person is abject nonsense. Nobody turns off their emotions when they engage with media, not even you.

 

We need antagonists, we need villians, we need fictional characters that manipulate, that we cant trust, that we disagree with so that the story becomes interesting, so that there is room for development and conflict and to keep us on our toes.

Yes. And that's exactly what happened. Kishi gave us a character that is unlikeable and untrustworthy. So, not surprisingly, a lot of readers don't like her and don't trust her. Insert ShockedPikachuFace.jpg here.

If the author himself (implicitly) says "you can't trust this character", well, who am I to argue?

If he changes his mind (which he seems to have done as the overall tone of the comic has become softer) and is willing to do the heavy lifting to change mine (which he is mostly doing with her interactions with Mask), then I'll change my mind.

Nana8
joined Jul 27, 2018

i see so much hate towards KaoKao... i am aware of what she had done in the past but can't we enjoy KaoMayo without judging her because of her past actions..?

It's a minority, in all the polls done on twitter (x) of kishi mask and kaoru are among the favorites.And hey, we have the impression that kaoru murdered someone ^^ some people would still have to take a step back, his rest of the teenagers and god knows that in high schools it's not just kiss kiss and tenderness as we see on this fiction.
But I join you this duo brings a lot of fun and surprises, it's even difficult each time to know how their meetings will evolve. It seems that mask decided to really make kaoru a close person, giving her the honor of a kaokao...
Even kaoru who is usually impatient seems to have understood that she will not achieve anything with mask without changing and not rushing things, her reaction when mayoi takes off her mask shows that she is completely still under the spell .

literally my thoughts, thanks:) i really find them hilarious and i am glad at least they are receving some love on the polls! ^_^

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joined Oct 4, 2016

Kishi-sensei attacking the audience with this mini-chapter!

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joined May 28, 2021

Welp, I'm now both insulted AND aroused. Thanks I guess :P

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joined Mar 4, 2018

Yuu just casually, yet personally, insulted us. Praise from Caesar.

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joined Oct 7, 2020

Looks like this forces me to post a link to verbal abuse by... verbal abuse... :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2mYDwS5l5E

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joined May 12, 2020

I wish I could Yuu. I wish I could.

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joined May 18, 2019

She didn't need to add that last part man...

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joined Aug 4, 2018

This reminds me that time in Azumanga Daioh when the winter holidays had arrived and all the girls were making plans for Xmas and New Year. They would party together! Go to fun places together! Maybe travel to an onsen together! Lots and lots of stuff! It would be so great!

Then Osaka asked: "Nobody has a boyfriend?"

A long awkward silence punctured by many death stares followed.

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joined Dec 9, 2021

Oh hell.....

Marion Diabolito
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Now I need to see the original, because when I run into odd-talking characters like SumiSumi of Sakura Trick I need to see what they actually say. Nico Yazawa (PV version) was a real revelation - a total chatterbox and her language is quite similar to the Cat in Soseki's "I am a Cat" The english scans/subs/dubs just give you some "Nico thinks" and "nico-nico niis" but she's really wordy, arguably you could transcribe her like "MayoMayo" here or the girls in Chuunibyou.

On Edit: one quirk is sentence + saremashita (it was done) and I think it's one thing translated as sentence + is indeed

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joined Apr 25, 2020

Yuu got that lightskin stare

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joined Jun 10, 2023

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I didn't know the Dynasty forum had a Twitter account. o3o

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joined Mar 20, 2016

Now I need to see the original, because when I run into odd-talking characters like SumiSumi of Sakura Trick I need to see what they actually say. Nico Yazawa (PV version) was a real revelation - a total chatterbox and her language is quite similar to the Cat in Soseki's "I am a Cat" The english scans/subs/dubs just give you some "Nico thinks" and "nico-nico niis" but she's really wordy, arguably you could transcribe her like "MayoMayo" here or the girls in Chuunibyou.

On Edit: one quirk is sentence + saremashita (it was done) and I think it's one thing translated as sentence + is indeed

So, Nico's kinda like Jan Kandou in that regard.

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joined Mar 12, 2014

The initial "are you an idiot" made me laugh so much

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joined May 7, 2018

WOOHOO! Another Haruka x Kanae chapter, and it's a good one. These 2 goofballs are my favorite pair

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joined May 31, 2020

HARUKA AND KANAE i've missed them so much it's been so long since i last saw them

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joined Jun 25, 2023

An Haruka and Kanae chapter! Thank you I will savor this till the next time they get a chapter!

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joined Sep 21, 2020

Nice to see Haruka x Kanae again, been waiting for further development ever since Haruka wrote the “I love you” letter.

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joined Jan 18, 2014

I love that it's not the flirting that the teacher it's mad about, but that is in the middle of class

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joined Jun 25, 2023

The metaphor for Haruka's dissatisfaction with where her and Kanae's relationship is at is pretty genius. She isn't satisfied with just droplets of affection, but that Kanae soaks her with affection.

Or maybe Haruka just wants Kanae to make her wet
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joined Sep 6, 2018

HaruKana shipper have a banquet tonight!!!
we've waiting for one frickin' year! ToT

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joined Mar 31, 2018

Oh wow Haruka's got it BAD

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joined May 27, 2019

page 4 is so fucked up

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