Classic Kodama..

But how are you guys saying Mitsuki is horrible too? If we'll base on "Kodama" standard, then Mc is still normal.

She is not horrible, people are just tend to be over sensitive (PC bullshit and such). I loved these characters, and Mitsuki is absolutely relatable. "Anaerobic Love" remains my favourite from Kodama, but this is very good too!

I know the PC police culture can get pretty toxic, but a sober person pushing themselves on a reluctant drunk person is pretty bad. You might debate if it rises to a level of a sex offence, or not, but you have to admit it's a dick move.

I doubt there are many people in the forum like you who can accurately find the points in common between Die Dreigroschenoper and this manga. Color me impressed. I would quote here the "a person of culture as well" meme if it hadn't been overused to death, haha.

I think your interpretation is spot on. It's kind of tragic how Mitsuki is persuaded she has maneuvered things so well and scored some good points with Ayaka by taking her home for dinner and a sleepover, when in fact that night she has mocked and insulted Ayaka without even realizing it -- and even made her decide to cut all ties with Mitsuki. Thank goodness for a happy ending (to some extent, at least) where Mitsuki starts to savvy the errors in her judgment and the problems with her prejudices.

I'm probably just the only one willing to make an ass of myself by making such a comparison, haha. It's a bit of a stretch, but I've been listening to Tom Waits recently so his version of "What Keeps Mankind Alive" was on my mind.
And yeah, I think it's kind of funny how little Mitsuki understands Ayaka. The ending is so abrupt that it's hard to tell if she ever does understand her, but I think the combination of seeing Ayaka's room, being called out, and also learning how shy Ayaka really is maybe starts to get through to her.

I must also say that I don't see how "Mitsuki isn't interested in guys because she doesn't have to be." It's pretty clear that Mitsuki isn't interested in guys because she's interested in girls, which is not usually an indicator of unacknowledged privilege.

Based on how angry she gets about it, and that she says she's jealous Mitsuki can say she's not interested in men, I think Ayaka's probably a lesbian as well. Ayaka says that even if she's not interested in a guy, if he has something she needs, she forces herself to pretend to be interested. To her, not being interested in men is a luxury she cannot afford. It's not that being a lesbian is a privilege, it's that being able to follow your heart is a privilege.

I'm fairly sure Kodama wrote in an afterword or something somewhere that she likes writing terrible people

She actually wrote, "The more soap opera-like the better!" once, which is even funnier lol

And it really helped me forgive that manga for its horrible characters that I hated... Not gonna read it again tho XD

I don't think that's the afterword they were refering to. It's most likely this one. But Kodama doesn't exactly make a secret of her tastes, so she probably wrote about them elsewhere as well.

Oh yeah, she's definitely said things like that more than once... I was just saying that she once referred to her work as "soap opera drama", and I thought it was funny how self-aware she was.

Also, I just skimmed through the epilogue you linked and can I just say,
"I want to keep on drawing all sorts of yuri"
*Proceeds to make a dozen more cute girls with naturally bad personalities*

(I'm only kidding, she has actually made different kinds of stories)

Very Kodama. Her works are my guilty pleasure. Lol

mmm is this real life? :D

Non-consensual girl-on-girl sex is still rape, you know.

I just love Kodama Naoko-sensei so so much...

nothing gained, nothing lost

What the hell is up with these people complaining about the non-existent "rape" in the story? Do you think rape victims would actually be casually chatting with the rapist afterwards like that or something? Even the characters themselves are like "we had completely normal sex, nobody was traumatized or anything", but the commenters here must insist every few posts that "NO, GIRL, OBVIOUSLY you were raped because that's how I see it" ¯_( ͠° ͟ʖ °͠ )_/¯

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Do you think rape victims would actually be casually chatting with the rapist afterwards like that or something?

In a Kodama Naoko story, can I see someone having dead-eyed pillow talk with the person they just received emotionally violent sex from? Absolutely. It's a legitimate question of tone. Non-consensual sex doesn't just look one way. And this author loves depicting complex, painful emotions or relations between people.

What the hell is up with these people complaining about the non-existent "rape" in the story? Do you think rape victims would actually be casually chatting with the rapist afterwards like that or something? Even the characters themselves are like "we had completely normal sex, nobody was traumatized or anything", but the commenters here must insist every few posts that "NO, GIRL, OBVIOUSLY you were raped because that's how I see it" ¯_( ͠° ͟ʖ °͠ )_/¯

Everytime there is drunk sex, there is a commetn about consent. Honestly the problem with that is that every manga/doujin/os with Drunk and NSFW could fir in that description.

Daddy indeed

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/pretender#37

"marketing majors am I right guys"

Hahahahaha Kodama really drove in her taste for horrible, cute women with how many times she mentioned it in this one. It was fun.

This is true. Idk, no matter what people say about her works I always find myself digging for more. She really grow in me haha

The thing is, Kodama is such a controversial mangaka that it almost pulls you in to her works. But yeah, she herself has admitted that she likes the toxic plots and characters in her works and purposefully leaves her story endings as such.

uwaaahhh hooking up with 17 boys.... no wonder she always got tired, all that sex and date must be really tiring. idk why everyone seeing this as good story but what i see just a cheap trick using "sentence of : nerver have sex" and "sex between woman in ending" for yuri lover.

this slides definitely more to married my best friend territory in comparison to how dark she can get

uwaaahhh hooking up with 17 boys.... no wonder she always got tired, all that sex and date must be really tiring.

She said she hadnt had sex with any of them

Idk but It reminds me of gunjo alot

What the hell is up with these people complaining about the non-existent "rape" in the story? Do you think rape victims would actually be casually chatting with the rapist afterwards like that or something? Even the characters themselves are like "we had completely normal sex, nobody was traumatized or anything", but the commenters here must insist every few posts that "NO, GIRL, OBVIOUSLY you were raped because that's how I see it" ¯_( ͠° ͟ʖ °͠ )_/¯

Everytime there is drunk sex, there is a commetn about consent. Honestly the problem with that is that every manga/doujin/os with Drunk and NSFW could fir in that description.

It some king of PC bull, no need to pay attention to it. Also just FYI, drunk sex isn't rape, if she gets drunk and makes a mistake, that's it. (Unless, you know, she's unconscious drunk. There are limits to everything.) You don't get to blame your mistakes onto others, by the magic of alcohol. Just like drunken driving, its still your responsibility.

What the hell is up with these people complaining about the non-existent "rape" in the story? Do you think rape victims would actually be casually chatting with the rapist afterwards like that or something? Even the characters themselves are like "we had completely normal sex, nobody was traumatized or anything", but the commenters here must insist every few posts that "NO, GIRL, OBVIOUSLY you were raped because that's how I see it" ¯_( ͠° ͟ʖ °͠ )_/¯

Everytime there is drunk sex, there is a commetn about consent. Honestly the problem with that is that every manga/doujin/os with Drunk and NSFW could fir in that description.

It some king of PC bull, no need to pay attention to it. Also just FYI, drunk sex isn't rape, if she gets drunk and makes a mistake, that's it. (Unless, you know, she's unconscious drunk. There are limits to everything.) You don't get to blame your mistakes onto others, by the magic of alcohol. Just like drunken driving, its still your responsibility.

Your simile doesn't work. A drunk person can't consent, and a sober person should know better than to make advances on them. If someone realized that you had sex with them when they couldn't consent, it's rape, yes. That's how it works in the real world, even in my country, which isn't some kind of women's rights paradise.

Very wholesome, for Kodama.

Oh yes daddy.

she should have told her to marry her.
It goes to my favorites

I want a psychological explanation why humans are attracted to bitches and bad boys (for heteros). I've experience this at work too, there's this annoying client that even though they're not that important I was so eager to get them sign up?

Idk if you got your answer since this is kind of a late reply, I mostly can speak from a woman perspective more than a man but in general is that woman have this thing called "magic thought" or "hero syndrom" where they think they can change bad people with love but of course thats just extremely unrealistic as you only get yourself destroyed. Toxic people are "attractive" mainly because of their negativity and so you want to help them. Be a hero. For "empty" people specially, being awknowledged as someone who has been a mess they think to themselves "one day they might thank me for what I'm doing" and that is a very addictive thought. I guess that would mainly be it. As woman we are very close to emotions as well so yea there is really a lot I could elaborate about, but that would mainly be it. Hopefully this is helpful.

Kodama’s art style have really come a long way, eh? It’s so polished now