The MCs of your romance story are too passive/shy/closeted/whatever so that there’s no progress. Solution: introduce another character.
The bad way: introduce a nuisance rival to create a love triangle.
The good way: introduce a relative/friend that ships them.

This also works in real life!

wow... chapter 3 was so.... wow

So the thing about the way Subaru says her name is that, in the raws, when Subaru says "Uno-san", it's written in katakana rather than hiragana. I'm not the translator so I can't comment on the specifics of why - but I believe sometimes katakana is used for writing native Japanese words for emphasis, or to indicate a difference in tone, or an unfamiliarity with the language, etc.. In this case, we kind of interpreted it as her saying it in a "teasing" way, as she is generally pretty mischievous, and we decided that emphasizing it was the best way to convey that.

Regarding if she knew Uno-san was a girl - no idea. It's ambiguous in the native text, I believe.

You're not wrong about the use of katakana for that, among other things. :)

You ended up quoting my post before I saved some edits I made. Absolutely think she was being playful, just doesn't care that by happy circumstance she gets to meet the mystery Uno and she happens to be a lady. :)

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ah gawwwwd I want this to be an OVA someday it reminds me a bit of Our Dining Table

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shadesofgreymoon posted:

arch99 posted:

Hoooly shit. This is incredibly relatable. Even beyond the yuri, this is like, such an excellent representation of executive dysfunction and the difficulties of interacting with society while being neurodivergent (I literally don't give the slightest fuck whether any of you think they're neurodivergent at not, please don't start an argument, it's that it rings true to my experiences with that). This is really hitting me different, I quite love it so far.

You need to get out of my head. ~_^

... Yep. (I called it painful for a reason...) The depiction of loneliness can be found in other stories, especially romance stories, but the feeling of being stuck in a role (that feels) forced upon you by society (which is actually largely self imposed and self policed). Even more so, not knowing how to move out of that mental entrapments. The cognitive dissonance and stress (pain) this character is holding... Being trapped in yourself in the worst.

--Ugh. Anyway, (I need to get off a depressing train of thought) Satou-san seems to represent balance. She's alone at work, but she has a warm relationship with her sister. Her work desk is neat, but she's a clumsy home keeper. She's a straight arrow that will break through the MC's mental cage. (I hope.) The MC needs to learn to reconcile her "self" and her role in the world. Seeing someone live and experiencing their seeming (surface-level) contradictions will help, but more valuable (and scarier) ... Here in chapter 3 she spoke aloud, "What should someone like me do?".

I'm so glad she felt comfortable enough to ask that, but I knew she was unaware at the time. (The question wasn't fully directed at Satou-san.) So it was painful (for me) but unsurprising when she criticized herself ("I really made myself look pathetic").

Whatever happens with Satou-san, Uno-san can cherish those moments of having a safe space to connect with herself.

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I think setting up Satou-san purely on how she can help the MC isn't quite right, she has some of those same issues as the MC.

Cleaning the room make a good first step, indeed.

I like this so much that I'm afraid of what's to come, that mother and co-worker situation will come soon and I'm scared.

amazing chapter, I think imouto didn't know Uno was a girl at first but she probably already knew or suspected her sister liked girls

Wow, I really love the way this is going

Just noticed theres a typo in the chapter title on the site.

One Smal Step.

Just thought I should point that out.

Friendship alert!!!!!

Fun chapter.

The first chapter had me expecting quite a lot but not this much. One of the most relatable things I've read here.

Just noticed theres a typo in the chapter title on the site.

One Smal Step.

Just thought I should point that out.

Yup, should totally be Smol instead

loooovin this. imouto is cute.

LOOOOL I had the same thing, only I was like 15 or 16. I didn't realize till much later just why I privately shipped Gabrielle and Xena so hard XD. (And that I totally had a crush on Gabrielle.)

lol omg yes xena and gabrielle.

Uhm... sounds like you grew up on the early 90s or something. I'm sorry, are we not talking about current times? This manga takes place in the present and she is in her early 20s. That means she was born at the end of 90s and grew up in the early odds. By the time she was old enough to care about porn, the internet was far enough to make that easily available.
And even the manga aside, everyone who is in their early 20s right now is in the same boat, so I think my view is pretty justified...

Japan has strong skinship culture, India is extremely open about this stuff, I hear similar things about Malaysia and Indonesia. I'm not saying every region is the same, but overall the cultures in Asia are far more open to such things than the Western ones. Of course there is Eastern Europe where nudity is also seen as less of a taboo in quite a few countries, so it's just going to be more rather than less.

Well good thing I didn't say that then. I quite clearly stated that one experiences an episode of attraction - not figure out ones sexuality. This was never about realizing that one is gay. I don't know what to tell you, that is literally what I said.
And my example of someone figuring it out through comics is just a fact. There is a link a few pages back. Everyone has a different trigger moment.

It is far more out of the ordinary to assume this manga for no reason whatsoever takes place 2 decades ago. Especially because she owns a Smartphone.
Seriously, I think most of your rebuttal is based on the fact that you didn't properly read what I said. I said it is unlikely. How can I possibly impart this any more clearly than I did in my previous post?

lol you keep bringing that one single person who figured out they are gay from comics like it's a template. my whole argument started because ppl were saying o.m.g. how does one not know they are gay by the time they are twenty? so i was telling them why. even in this day and age, for places all over the world there are thousands of reasons why someone wouldn't know, and saying it's unlikely is being narrow minded, and frankly a little rude. and for the record, i never said i thought this manga took place 2 decades ago. maybe you're not properly reading.

@xxcindybeexx: Thanks for sharing your experience. It made me happy and also made me laugh. I think my experience was similar (though it sounds like I discovered the manga a bit earlier, heh).

I was a child in the 90s, one of my peers was verbally harassed and the source of many rumors after announcing her crush on our 6th grade teacher, and I crushed on a number of smart, lanky boys as late as my 20th year.

Your ability to frame your emotions and interactions is vital; so it is not at all unlikely for someone to reach early or even late adulthood depending on their environment and exposure.
Calling it weird or "out of the ordinary" can feel dismissive an hurt (however unintentional).

Many people still don't have regular , high-bandwidth internet access. (Mind-blowing, right?)

Anyway, all I wanted to say was thank you, @xxcindybeexx, for sharing your experience, and I'm still really curious as to how this story will unfold. (It feels honest, raw and ...painful. I'm here for it. ..for now ^^ ;)

P.S. I'm not a porn fan, but how that is treated with respect to girls watching it versus boy is just one of the many still strong sex/gender-based double-standards. Progress feels as slow as ever some days. :D

yea here in alaska, we still only get 30GBS net speed, and this is one of the bigger cities.

and the whole reason i started the argument was because of the "what kind of idiot doesn't know they are gay by the time they hit 20" vibe a lot of ppl were giving. i mean i really don't think the author even thought beyond this is what he/she wanted her character to be like, and ppl trashing on her for the "unlikeliness" of it. like no, it's not, if you spend 5 mins thinking about it. though tbh as we go into chapter 3, we can clearly see why she's never considered it, if you read the conversation between the MC and her mom. but what would i know i guess /shrug ;)

Edit: and from the amount of comments saying how relate-able this manga is, pretty sure tells how likely this whole thing really is.

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Oh, yaay! A little progress AND a wingwoman character!

Ayanami Rei

More than anything, I'm impressed by how Uno-san's been characterized. Her overall attitude and point of view, her flaws and the way she sees herself, her impulsive buying and the self-defensive way she kind of says things she doesn't mean, her desire to fit in at her own expense, etc. - It's all very realistic and true to life for lots of people. I'm almost (almost) let down by the rest of the manga, which, so far, feels more cliche and flat.

little sister MVP!

This author's works usually disappoint me, but this has a lot of potential. I like the characters, especially the imouto, and the overall vibe the story has. Let's see where this goes.

The MCs of your romance story are too passive/shy/closeted/whatever so that there’s no progress. Solution: introduce another character.
The bad way: introduce a nuisance rival to create a love triangle.
The good way: introduce a relative/friend that ships them.

I wish more and more stories would do that, actually. Sick and tired of the love rival plot. Nowadays I don't have the patience and instantly drop a story if it introduces love triangle bullshit.

@arch99 posted:
I think setting up Satou-san purely on how she can help the MC isn't quite right, she has some of those same issues as the MC.

Ah, yeah, I was just focused on Satou-san's perspective and potential developmental direction. I agree with you.

@mei is waifu posted

The MCs of your romance story are too passive/shy/closeted/whatever so that there’s no progress. Solution: introduce another character.
The bad way: introduce a nuisance rival to create a love triangle.
The good way: introduce a relative/friend that ships them.

I wish more and more stories would do that, actually. Sick and tired of the love rival plot. Nowadays I don't have the patience and instantly drop a story if it introduces love triangle bullshit.

Love triangles are also one of the things that lead me to drop or immediately like a manga less. (Bloom for You, Useless Princes -- all of them are dinged for that in my head.)

It is nice to have a sibling or close friend support you in your relationships. I prefer to say supportive rather than shipping. (I attribute a negative valence to the concept. ¯_(ツ)_/¯) And I do think this relationship brought some needed color to UnoSatou-san. Hopefully, the author will add more depth to her character; as much as I like what I've seen so far, she's still paper thin to me (mainly a person on whom the MC is fixated).

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And I do think this relationship brought some needed color to Uno-san. Hopefully, the author will add more depth to her character; as much as I like what I've seen so far, she's still paper thin to me (mainly a person on whom the MC is fixated).

I assume this is in reference to Satou-san, not Uno-san, judging by your last sentence?

In which case, I would've agreed prior to chapter 3, but I think chapter 3 told us quite a lot about her in very little time. We get to know her family circumstances, her apparent dedication to raising her sister, and presumably as a result, her not wanting to invite the idea of "falling in love" into her life. We see that she puts on a bit of a facade at work, same as Uno-san. We see that she's surprisingly interested in Uno-san as well, and is unusually thoughtful toward her (relative to how she normally is, according to Subaru). We see that she probably has some emotional issues to work through, given how some of the same signs of depression that are present in Uno-san (lack of motivation to clean her room) are present in Satou-san as well.

She hasn't had a ton of focus thus far, and I'd like to see her character be further fleshed out, but I don't think it's fair to call her paper thin, either.

Why this manga doesn't have a romance tag? I try to suggest it but the mod didn't approve

And I do think this relationship brought some needed color to Uno-san. Hopefully, the author will add more depth to her character; as much as I like what I've seen so far, she's still paper thin to me (mainly a person on whom the MC is fixated).

I assume this is in reference to Satou-san, not Uno-san, judging by your last sentence?

In which case, I would've agreed prior to chapter 3, but I think chapter 3 told us quite a lot about her in very little time. We get to know her family circumstances, her apparent dedication to raising her sister, and presumably as a result, her not wanting to invite the idea of "falling in love" into her life. We see that she puts on a bit of a facade at work, same as Uno-san. We see that she's surprisingly interested in Uno-san as well, and is unusually thoughtful toward her (relative to how she normally is, according to Subaru). We see that she probably has some emotional issues to work through, given how some of the same signs of depression that are present in Uno-san (lack of motivation to clean her room) are present in Satou-san as well.

She hasn't had a ton of focus thus far, and I'd like to see her character be further fleshed out, but I don't think it's fair to call her paper thin, either.

I agree, she was a tpical laconic character before this chapter but some things changed with chap 3.

I feel like her family situation has deep meaning on the way she acts, and the fact that imotou was not surprised by Uno-san being a woman tells me that maybe, satou has already adressed it with her, maybe with her late parents too.