It's probably been said before but this really has that "need an anime feel" to it!

Iro-chan knows her tropes and is well prepared.

And these two useless lesbians should just kiss already.

Alright so now I'm pretty sure Izumi was intentionally trying to gaslight Fujishiro out of jealousy and not just in deep denial about her own feelings and projecting.

Iro-chan knows her tropes and is well prepared.

Geek level OVER 9000

TBH Iro is a welcome mood-lightener and contrast in general. The others are all tangled up in messy relationship issues and personal insecurities and whatnots and she basically just wants to have fun "living her manga-like highschool life" to paraphrase Watamote :d

Sweet, foolish Kanade.
You should feel blessed, Kanade. Being an I-cup is a nightnare, finding bras is hard af.
Nope, Nanaki, end this right now, she is not the one you need to chase after.
I feel for you... Girl whose name I don't remember but I know she loves Nanaki.

For your own sake Loralei, stop reading this story already. You clearly hate it for really personal reasons and have a bad understanding of what's actually going on.

PS: That's not an I-cup. Holy shit, does anybody understand bra sizes?

I am an I-cup.

Plus, I don't hate the story for personal reasons. Nanaki nad Kanade do not look cute together. Their constant arguing makes me sick. Plus, I ask myself with every chapter why they have never thought how good their lives were before they got "together"?

EDIT #2: I don't like abandoning mangas before end. Unless the plot just screams "absurd" looking at you, I'll cheer on my Onee-yuri" or sth

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I am an I-cup.

Plus, I don't hate the story for personal reasons. Nanaki nad Kanade do not look cute together. Their constant arguing makes me sick. Plus, I ask myself with every chapter why they have never thought how good their lives were before they got "together"?

EDIT #2: I don't like abandoning mangas before end. Unless the plot just screams "absurd" looking at you, I'll cheer on my Onee-yuri" or sth

By what standards? Japanese? They always go one size farther than most of the world. Either way, my condolences to your back.

They barely argue. You complained about them every single chapter for superficial reasons like "Oh no, Kurokawa is trying to improve her looks, but she shouldnt do that." or "Fujishiro is just in a different world, you don't belong there." Sounds like a very personal experience to me.
And now you make the ridiculous argument that they were better off without each other, even though the plot entirely contradicts that. Like I said, you don't get the story. Kurokawa wants to improve her looks. She enjoys it. Fujishiro doesn't need friends who backstab her or are mean to someone she likes. Kurokawa lost her clique of friends who were just as superficial as Fujishiro's. They raised each other up, brought out the best out of each other and clearly have feelings for each other. Only someone who ignores everything that has been happening could deny this.

Abandon things you don't like. You are just frustrating yourself.

They raised each other up, brought out the best out of each other and clearly have feelings for each other. Only someone who ignores everything that has been happening could deny this.

Abandon things you don't like. You are just frustrating yourself.

Well said, BugDevil. I’m glad that there are people who see my girls for what they are. Two people improving each other’s lives. Seems like any manga I read now, the plot or characters are misunderstood and people want to drop the manga or instead of just dropping it, going on a tangent continually about how much they dislike it.

fun fact, the manga industry is legally allowed to shut down any series that doesn't include at least one scene where a girl is jealous of the size of another girl's boobs

Learn something new everyday. Didn't think a manga could go bust over something like that.

Bravo! Well played!

Iro-chan knows her tropes and is well prepared.

And these two useless lesbians should just kiss already.

I agree to both points, except in the official publication, sadly, they must be referred to as "Failed" lesbians... :(

Alright so now I'm pretty sure Izumi was intentionally trying to gaslight Fujishiro out of jealousy and not just in deep denial about her own feelings and projecting.

Yep. I was pretty sure that was the case before. Now it is certain. It's a bit sad, since these four make a fairly strong group of friends and Iro-chan doesn't seem to be an actual romantic rival for Kanade's affections. It's also fairly clear that Izumi doesn't feel she has a shot at this point. She is better at reading the room than either of the useless ones...

I am an I-cup.

Plus, I don't hate the story for personal reasons. Nanaki nad Kanade do not look cute together. Their constant arguing makes me sick. Plus, I ask myself with every chapter why they have never thought how good their lives were before they got "together"?

EDIT #2: I don't like abandoning mangas before end. Unless the plot just screams "absurd" looking at you, I'll cheer on my Onee-yuri" or sth

By what standards? Japanese? They always go one size farther than most of the world. Either way, my condolences to your back.

They barely argue. You complained about them every single chapter for superficial reasons like "Oh no, Kurokawa is trying to improve her looks, but she shouldnt do that." or "Fujishiro is just in a different world, you don't belong there." Sounds like a very personal experience to me.
And now you make the ridiculous argument that they were better off without each other, even though the plot entirely contradicts that. Like I said, you don't get the story. Kurokawa wants to improve her looks. She enjoys it. Fujishiro doesn't need friends who backstab her or are mean to someone she likes. Kurokawa lost her clique of friends who were just as superficial as Fujishiro's. They raised each other up, brought out the best out of each other and clearly have feelings for each other. Only someone who ignores everything that has been happening could deny this.

Abandon things you don't like. You are just frustrating yourself.

I entirely agree with BugDevil's analysis of the two (useless) protagonists. It might also be noted that Fujishiro thoroughly enjoyed the manga she borrowed from Kurokawa earlier in the story, even if she hasn't become an otaku over it. They have both shared their interests with each other and benefited.

Nanaki and Kanade do not look cute together.

So are you a member of the gyaru group of bitchy girls or the otaku group of bitchy girls?

I'm glad I'm giving this a second chance. After the first two chapters, I dropped it so fast. Helps that I pretty much ran out of yuri to read so here I am, queer & invested.

I have zero sympathy for the third wheel. I hope we can just graze by the triangle plot. ٩◔̯◔۶

I'm here for more cuteness, awkwardness, etc., etc. ヽ(´▽`)/

Somebody's SALTY

Just kissssss

EDIT #2: I don't like abandoning mangas before end. Unless the plot just screams "absurd" looking at you, I'll cheer on my Onee-yuri" or sth

You find I'll cheer on my Yuri Onee-chan droppable?

Somebody's SALTY

Turks salty at Wonder flashbacks

Kurokawa wants to improve her looks.

Sure not for herself. She got hella nostalgic when she looked at her glasses.

Fujishiro doesn't need friends who backstab her or are mean to someone she likes.

But that's the point: Nanaki doesn't understand what Kanade likes. All the time she looks at her through her popular eye. And I am certain Kanade just says okay to not make Nanaki mad again.

clearly have feelings for each other

Had no idea screaming at every potential threat and then blurting it all out into face of the other is positive feeling. Plus, they both have better matches around.

I'll end this conversation now before they will ban me. I will not abandon this manga because I went too far already. If there were like three chapters maybe I'd leave it.

Plus, they both have better matches around.

Eh ?Who is a better match for Fujishiro ? Her ex gyarus friends are bitchs and Izumi is a freaking sleeping psychopat.

Kurokawa wants to improve her looks.

Sure not for herself. She got hella nostalgic when she looked at her glasses.

Oh really? Being nostalgic for glasses somehow means all the other things she liked doing... she didn't do for herself?

Fujishiro doesn't need friends who backstab her or are mean to someone she likes.

But that's the point: Nanaki doesn't understand what Kanade likes. All the time she looks at her through her popular eye. And I am certain Kanade just says okay to not make Nanaki mad again.

Of course the fact that Fujishiro actively went out of her way to understand Kurokawa better or the fact that Kurokawa several times said thank you to her for helping her to become prettier are just not good enough for you. Inner monologue on Kurokawa's side that explicitly stated that she is happier this way and that being like Fujishiro is her way to become more courageous. She was trapped in just helping other girls to be the "princess", but Fujishiro is giving her the strength to also believe in her own beauty.

clearly have feelings for each other

Had no idea screaming at every potential threat and then blurting it all out into face of the other is positive feeling. Plus, they both have better matches around.

I'll end this conversation now before they will ban me. I will not abandon this manga because I went too far already. If there were like three chapters maybe I'd leave it.

You also don't seem to have any idea what is actually going on in general. That's not even a coherent argument.
What "potential threat" are we even talking about here? What feelings were blurted out? Are you actually complaining that the characters are honest with each other and actually solve conflicts through talking?
They don't have "better" matches around, because better doesn't matter. They are in love with each other. Love does not work on a point system.

Do whatever you want, but your constant misrepresentation of the story is not beneficial.

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^ BugD, I actually resist reading the the subtext of other readers’ comments to infer what they’re “really” saying, but it’s clear there’s a pattern with this reader of a peculiar form of shipping, or rather “anti-shipping”:

“They aren’t cute together, there are better matches, they should each go back to their own worlds, their constant arguments make me sick,” etc.

And you know there’s no arguing with a shipper—even a funhouse mirror one.

And you know there’s no arguing with a shipper—even a funhouse mirror one.

I can't really deny it, but when someone claims they have actual good reasoning to their points I feel like it's worth discussing them.
Sadly Loralei hasn't revealed any good reasoning yet and instead seems to base this dislike on personal bias/experience, so it does start to feel futile.

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Blastaar posted:

And you know there’s no arguing with a shipper

I suppose I'm a "shipper" and you can argue with me all you want. Then again, I can't blame you for that generalization. There's plenty of them with who you can't discuss anything and they tend to be the most vocal.

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Blastaar posted:

And you know there’s no arguing with a shipper

I suppose I'm a "shipper" and you can argue with me all you want. Then again, I can't blame you for that generalization. There's plenty of them with who you can't discuss anything and they tend to be the most vocal.

Well, anyone who comes at this one from the POV that FujIshiro and Kurokawa “don’t get along, don’t belong together, and aren’t cute together,” they’re pretty much going down with the ship.

Or in this case, the anti-ship.

Blastaar posted:

And you know there’s no arguing with a shipper

I suppose I'm a "shipper" and you can argue with me all you want. Then again, I can't blame you for that generalization. There's plenty of them with who you can't discuss anything and they tend to be the most vocal.

Well, anyone who comes at this one from the POV that FujIshiro and Kurokawa “don’t get along, don’t belong together, and aren’t cute together,” they’re pretty much going down with the ship.

Or in this case, the anti-ship.

So, to carry on with the metaphor, we literally got a ship made of anti-matter, and the crew (in this case, Loralei) presumably wearing clothes and equipement made from anti-matter resistant materials.

GOD! I'm really suffering from not having watched the Rat of Mapping for well over half a year!

Or in this case, the anti-ship.

The Lorelei is a famous German poem/song about a Siren that sank ships.
One letter off. Just food for thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorelei

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Or in this case, the anti-ship.

The Lorelei is a famous German poem/song about a Siren that sank ships.
One letter off. Just food for thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorelei

Wow! Ships, pause Loralei pause AND Germany! Though you're replying to Blastaar here, it kinda seems fitting with my own reply to Blastaar, too (since the Rat of Mapping is a German, more precisely, a Hessian).

Or in this case, the anti-ship.

The Lorelei is a famous German poem/song about a Siren that sank ships.
One letter off. Just food for thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorelei

*Facepalm* I have this nickname from my teenage obsession with game League of Angels. A guardian out there was named Loralei. #justsayin

Before you start attacking me by my nationality, I live more to the east from Germany.

EDIT: I mostly use nickname InessaMaximova. I don't remember why I haven't used it here.

EDIT #2: I said teenage, as I turned 22 few days ago.

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