Forum › Yuri SM de Futari no Kimochi wa Tsunagarimasu ka? discussion

joined Aug 29, 2019

I kinda dont like it, i mean forced stuff its always a no and she is doing it to her, she clearly saw her scared and decided to continue, i know she wont stop but i hope Mio wakes the hell up.

Wat. She saw that Mio was uncertain and scared and offered her a way out through taking off the collar herself. When Mio said "Stop", she stopped and verified how to proceed. Mio was more curious, intrigued and progressively horny than she was scared and decided to continue the play.

last edited at May 12, 2021 8:01PM

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joined Jan 15, 2020

I don’t think I ever read bdsm anything before sooo I’ll give a try. Plus it’s Mira so I don’t see a downside.

Linterdiction
Kiarasmall4
joined Sep 6, 2018

I kinda dont like it, i mean forced stuff its always a no and she is doing it to her, she clearly saw her scared and decided to continue, i know she wont stop but i hope Mio wakes the hell up.

Wat. She saw that Mio was uncertain and scared and offered her a way out through taking off the collar herself. When Mio said "Stop", she stopped and verified how to proceed. Mio was more curious, intrigued and progressively horny than she was scared and decided to continue the play.

Yeah, agreed. I feel like people’s reads of the energy in this work are all over the place even though, to me, it’s pretty clear that Sarasa is giving Mio lots of outs and Mio is going into things because she really actually likes them.

EnjoyTheNoise
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joined Feb 8, 2018

Compared to "Corruption's finale" this one simply feels lame. Come on Mira, you can do better. Out of curiosity, is this new work, or just scanlated recently?

Soralaylaff
joined Oct 16, 2013

I'm liking it so far even though it was a bit iffy how Mio got involved. Also it didn't feel that great when Sarasa just continued even after Mio flat out said she was scared....But not gonna think too hard about it because I know the author just wanted to get the "consent" part out of the way so they can write the juicy stuff they really wanna write.

I like the two mcs dynamic a lot, and I hope the lil sis doesn't interfere much after the story picks up the pace. I was already pretty meh with her inclusion, but I do like how they show her relationship with the sister isn't romantic and that she's prob gonna have a thing with her classmate instead.

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joined Dec 13, 2020

I'm liking it so far even though it was a bit iffy how Mio got involved. Also it didn't feel that great when Sarasa just continued even after Mio flat out said she was scared....But not gonna think too hard about it because I know the author just wanted to get the "consent" part out of the way so they can write the juicy stuff they really wanna write.

I like the two mcs dynamic a lot, and I hope the lil sis doesn't interfere much after the story picks up the pace. I was already pretty meh with her inclusion, but I do like how they show her relationship with the sister isn't romantic and that she's prob gonna have a thing with her classmate instead.

^^^definitely agree with everything especially the lil sister part. The classmate looks like she'll be with her.

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joined Jun 13, 2012

I see Mira, I see S&M, I feel blessed! Thank you translators!

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joined Oct 4, 2018

Is Mira back?

Was never gone, her most recent series "Dream-Colored Replica" just got picked up by Irodori.

In english? where can you find this official translation, is irodori on a site or somethin?

https://irodoricomics.com/collections/mira

Costs money ofc. And yes, it's in English.

IIrc, Mira also sells some of her English translated doujins over at Fantia.

joined Feb 1, 2017

I really like this pair actually, and I think Mira has done a pretty good job with their characterisations. Now I’m just waiting for the younger sis to scoot off and find her own romantic partner (unless this is going down the polyamory route) so that the main couple can progress without obstacles.

joined Jan 14, 2020

Mira delivers again!

So when is someone gonna point out all the masochists character names start with M and the sadists with S?

:O

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Linterdiction
Kiarasmall4
joined Sep 6, 2018

I’ve been thinking more vis a vis the consent issue, and why some people are bothered by their relationship while others are fine. To even know that Sarasa offered Mio a way out during the leash play you definitely had to read between the lines, as it wasn’t really explicitly stated. She was saying basically that she wouldn’t remove the leash and collar herself because what they were doing wasn’t just a casually on-and-off thing, like “wearing a pretty choker”—basically that this was something more than what they had been doing on the ride to school, and that Sarasa wouldn’t take the collar off Mio herself if she was feeling some big feelings because that was part of what they were doing; that Mio had to decide to stop it. If you didn’t catch that implication (and frankly I’m not 100% sure I’m not reading it into the story for my own comfort), her ignoring Mio’s fear is obviously super fucked up, but of course even beyond that what they’re doing would be a super unsafe way to do BDSM IRL—no discussion of limits, no explicit statement that Mio controls whether the scene stops, etc. so I totally understand people that say this is all fukt, especially if you were looking for a more realistic BDSM relationship.

With regards to people feeling uncomfortable about Sarasa saying she couldn’t control herself and thinking that means she’s just inflicting her desires on Mio, I think there’s more textual evidence to prove that’s not the case. She frequently checks in on Mio and is attentive to her in various ways; she makes sure the collar isn’t uncomfortable or hurting her, she assures Mio that what they’re doing isn’t shameful or bad (just a secret between them), and she helps Mio not drown in herself by helping her ground when they’re on the bus. I think her statement about being unable to control herself is more in the context of what type of love she wants vs. needs—in that scene she’s talking about how since she loves Mio, she can’t help but want to do more BDSM stuff with to express the way she cares and wants. Personally, I think that exploration of being true to your desires is really sweet. The whole chapter is, in a certain way, about how all this is her version of the fluffy yuri scene in her book, and I think it’s cool to see BDSM framed as a way for people to express their love.

So yeah I can definitely understand now why people are uncomfy or disappointed with this. I think that to tell the story Mira wanted to tell—about two girls who can’t directly communicate their feelings to each other doing it through the exchanges of BDSM—it would be tricky to work in a way for them to establish good boundaries and consent, but not impossible, and I think the fact that the work fails to do that means that it earns the reception it has gotten. Personally I’m really enjoying it, but I have a better appreciation now for how valid that different perspective is.

joined Jan 14, 2020

I think there’s more textual evidence to prove that’s not the case. She frequently checks in on Mio and is attentive to her in various ways; she makes sure the collar isn’t uncomfortable or hurting her, she assures Mio that what they’re doing isn’t shameful or bad (just a secret between them)

It's kind of like "It's impossible for two girls..." There's aggressive boundary pushing, there's not "enthusiastic consent" with explicit discussion of limits, but there's space to stop and get out if the 'passive' really wanted that, without a power imbalance that could hollow out a putative "get out" capability[1].

[1] I note that the reactions here to "Cat Maid and Mistress" and "Snake Woman and Miss Offering" are almost overwhelmingly "aww, so sweet!" but the former is someone literally fucking her maid and the latter is a snake-god-queen playing with her powerless human sacrifice. Much worse power imbalance than some teen girl being incrementally pushy with a peer. Granted, they're also more fantastic settings than a couple of high school girls in modern Japan.

joined Aug 29, 2019

@Linterdiction
Well said. I may have taken too much for granted my interpretation of Mio having control literally because she's the sub. It's my "default assumption" I guess.

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Psyduck
joined Jun 17, 2015

I hate how easily I fall out of mangaland nowadays lol. I'm just thinking when reading the first chapter that it's totally weird for siblings to be fulfilling each other's BDSM fetishes and how is the MC girl just completely unfazed by seeing that. Curse you real world logic.

OrangePekoe Staff
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joined Mar 20, 2013

PraiseYuri posted:

I hate how easily I fall out of mangaland nowadays lol. I'm just thinking when reading the first chapter that it's totally weird for siblings to be fulfilling each other's BDSM fetishes and how is the MC girl just completely unfazed by seeing that. Curse you real world logic.

That kind of thing is totally normal between sisters tho.

joined Aug 29, 2019

PraiseYuri posted:

I hate how easily I fall out of mangaland nowadays lol. I'm just thinking when reading the first chapter that it's totally weird for siblings to be fulfilling each other's BDSM fetishes and how is the MC girl just completely unfazed by seeing that. Curse you real world logic.

That kind of thing is totally normal between sisters tho.

Can confirm, siblings tormenting each other is completely normal. These two are actually even being nice about it since they both enjoy it...

joined Jan 14, 2020

I hate how easily I fall out of mangaland nowadays lol. I'm just thinking when reading the first chapter that it's totally weird for siblings to be fulfilling each other's BDSM fetishes and how is the MC girl just completely unfazed by seeing that. Curse you real world logic.

She seemed pretty fazed to me.

Felixwtf-min
joined Jun 4, 2018

Honestly wish our girl put up SOME resistance at the start. It's like "oh my god this is so weird stop it why are you doing this okay I'll wear a collar and be your sub this is fun"

Just a weird progression for me to really feel into it. I think this is the first Mira work where I'm not really feeling it.

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Sena
joined Jun 27, 2017

^it comes across kinda porn-plot level but then isn't actually porn (yet, anyway), so, yeah. It's not that interesting to me either.

RadiosAreObsolete
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joined Mar 6, 2021

I’ve been thinking more vis a vis the consent issue, and why some people are bothered by their relationship while others are fine. To even know that Sarasa offered Mio a way out during the leash play you definitely had to read between the lines, as it wasn’t really explicitly stated. She was saying basically that she wouldn’t remove the leash and collar herself because what they were doing wasn’t just a casually on-and-off thing, like “wearing a pretty choker”—basically that this was something more than what they had been doing on the ride to school, and that Sarasa wouldn’t take the collar off Mio herself if she was feeling some big feelings because that was part of what they were doing; that Mio had to decide to stop it. If you didn’t catch that implication (and frankly I’m not 100% sure I’m not reading it into the story for my own comfort), her ignoring Mio’s fear is obviously super fucked up, but of course even beyond that what they’re doing would be a super unsafe way to do BDSM IRL—no discussion of limits, no explicit statement that Mio controls whether the scene stops, etc. so I totally understand people that say this is all fukt, especially if you were looking for a more realistic BDSM relationship.

Now that I read this and went back to reread the scene, I guess I kinda see your point about Sarasa saying that it should be Mio who decides to put a stop to it, if she feels uncomfortable. Honestly, when I first read it, to me it sounded like "You decided to wear this yourself, so you've already consented to all of this", which was very uncomfortable to read (and pretty much the impression I get from almost all bdsm stories I've come across).

But either way, I didn't like the typical, oh this is scary and uncomfortable, but I actually like it. It's exactly this:

^it comes across kinda porn-plot level but then isn't actually porn

But I can't say I was disappointed either, since I didn't really have any expectations. I was just, ah this is how it's going to be after all, huh

Minami
joined Jun 25, 2019

So we go full hentai logic and everyone is ok with BDSM without hesitation ? I mean, there is no way you gonna tell me she is not gonna smack her here, it's like asking for it to happen.

Ssdfew
joined Jun 19, 2014

Lol high schoolers doing BDSM is somehow hilarious.
When I was in high school, we were too busy being absolute immature dumbasses and only starting to get a grasp on our sexualities, and these high schoolers are literally galavanting around school grounds wearing dog collars. You couldn't even say the words 'Moby Dick' without someone giggling hysterically.
I would consider university to be a more appropriate setting, honestly but I still love Mira's stories.

Edit: Actually i forgot there's also middle schoolers in this LOL

last edited at May 23, 2021 10:28AM

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joined Aug 14, 2020

Cut to next chapter where she slaps the everloving piss shit outta her

OmegaBlue0231
joined Jan 11, 2018

Little sis sounds pretty messed up in the head.

Jamal_Williams69
joined May 13, 2018

Little sis is going to need a new ass next chapter.

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