If you are allowed to comment and criticize something, then so am I. A lot of stories get criticism, like Citrus, NTR etc despite people knowing what these stories are about too, before commenting/reading.

Doesn't this go against your own argument of "you can't treat the forums as your own blog and expect no one to disagree with you"

Why should loli be an exception? If loli is just like every other category, why should there be special rules about it?

I dunno, just block the Lolicon tag and don't read Itou Hachi. What even the point of reading something you know you don't like and come complain after that you hate what you have read when knowing you hate it ? Just ignore the damn thing.

What's the point of reading and replying to a comment you don't like?

Althought if we go back on that one, i wasn't talking to you either. I was talking to Sanrai. My first answer wasn't even about you block the tag, i was asking about the grooming thing (which at the time you didn't bother to explain just "look it up"). You kinda fired up yourself for no reason when i did nothing against you really.

I really do appreciate how every Itou Hachi work's comment section immediately catches fire.

I really do appreciate how every Itou Hachi work's comment section immediately catches fire.

we need more piss play to extinguish it

I was dreading reading the comments and I was right. If distinguishing fiction from reality is so hard for you, maybe don't consume fiction at all.

Again, you are completely missing the point, so maybe think twice of who you call retarded. It was a rhetorical question to the logic of "if you don't like something don't read it". Need more explanation than that or you still don't get it? Cause I'm really over this argument.

No, your reasoning is faulty, because forum posts don't have tags to tell me if I'm going to actually want to read it or not. Unlike, say, this manga, which is tagged Lolicon and Age Gap so you know what's coming, a riveting oneeloli age gap tale from the based goddess Itou Hachi.

So I have a proposition, that'll make both of us happy. From here on, anyone that complains about oneeloli in an Itou Hachi work tagged Lolicon or NTR in a Kodama Naoko work tagged NTR is required to start their posts with "Tags: [Uninformed] [Dumb] [Rant]."That way, your logic will hold and it will be my fault for reading said uninformed dumb rant when I knew it was an uninformed dumb rant before reading it, in the same exact way that it is those people's fault for being mad about reading a oneeloli manga tagged Lolicon from Itou Hachi. Thus, you will be correct in your currently bad analogy, and I will never have to read a stupid comment ever again in my life.

It's fucking perfect.
I am a fucking genius.

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I don't understand how this artist can go from wholesome well written yuri, to borderline pedophilia in some cases

I don't understand how this artist can go from wholesome well written yuri, to borderline pedophilia in some cases

Have you ever considered that borderline pedophilia is well written yuri?

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MacySan posted:

If you are allowed to comment and criticize something, then so am I. A lot of stories get criticism, like Citrus, NTR etc despite people knowing what these stories are about too, before commenting/reading.

Again you're missing the point. There's difference between criticizing storytelling and content of the story. We're talking about knowing story is about subject you don't like and yet you reading it anyway, just so you can complaining about that subject. That's when it gets pointless, because you're no longer talking about quality of the work. You're just venting about thing you don't like, which has nothing to do with story itself. If someone hates cheating, reads NTR knowing it's about cheating and then complains how cheating is amoral, then yes, I would have issues with them too.

Doesn't this go against your own argument of "you can't treat the forums as your own blog and expect no one to disagree with you"

The whole issue is that, people like that are only derailing the thread. We heard those arguments 100 of times. They're irrelevant to the story. We're no longer discussing merits of the story alone. We're talking about some bigger topic that can be discussed unrelated to given story. Whatever lolicon is child porn, or mangas normalize rape or whatever, it has nothing to do with story and how it handles its topic. But everytime work with those kind of elements shows up, it's the same shit. People who are offended by it and hate it read it, predictably hate it, go into forum writing how offended they are and how works like that has no right to exist and how it's bad, which has nothing to do with quality of work itself, and then people who actually likes it or at least don't mind it are forced to defend it for the umpteenth time, while people who hate it don't care because nothing will convince them and they're not even reading thread anymore. And just like that any conversation that could happen about actual work is dead. And it happens every single time. So sorry for being sick to death and fed up with this and people like you who think it's constructive criticism shitting on concept you find disturbing or illegal or whatever. Nobody gives a fuck if grooming is illegal or not. They're fictional characters. Talk about actual story.

Why should loli be an exception? If loli is just like every other category, why should there be special rules about it?

No one ever said loli should be exception. It applies to everything. Loli just comes under the attack the most often.

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Every thing itou hachi puts out is just more and more blatantly pedophilic, you ever think one of these days maybe it should just not get uploaded on here anymore

Fiction is fiction.

This is turning into the Hino-san comment section 2, oh my God

A lot of people want to force their morals on to others and prevent them from having any morals counter to their own.

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I was dreading reading the comments and I was right. If distinguishing fiction from reality is so hard for you, maybe don't consume fiction at all.

Lovely comment!

Fifteen years of this and it never gets old.

Every thing itou hachi puts out is just more and more blatantly pedophilic, you ever think one of these days maybe it should just not get uploaded on here anymore

LMAO uhhhhhh i do believe softcharm has already pretty much published the worst of the worst, there is nothing that can be put on this site that that's worse that what softcharm has already done XD even i won't touch softcharm no matter how bored i get XD

Every thing itou hachi puts out is just more and more blatantly pedophilic, you ever think one of these days maybe it should just not get uploaded on here anymore

LMAO uhhhhhh i do believe softcharm has already pretty much published the worst of the worst, there is nothing that can be put on this site that that's worse that what softcharm has already done XD even i won't touch softcharm no matter how bored i get XD

I can't pretend to speak for others, but can only speculate that, while (as far as I can tell) softcharm's work is what it is and is always that and nothing more, Itou Hachi is a mankaga who works both sides of the NSFW/morally objectionable boundary (and, I would add, makes wildly appealing characters and scenes, even in the "problematic" stories), so her work somehow seems more transgressive than the straight-up loli hentai stuff.

Hence the accusations of "normalizing" behaviors--people want to like Itou Hachi's work, or end up liking it despite themselves, so it makes them feel worse than the stuff that can more easily be dismissed as trash.

Mere speculation, of course, but that's my guess.

Waiting for a kid to be of age to start dating them is still illegal and the person in question still a pedo.

Hey what ? How waiting for her to in age to date legally is illegal ? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Like I said, grooming. Look it up.

You both have extremely valid points! Technically, in this fictional manga, this isn't grooming. Waiting to date someone legally that isn't already legal is not grooming. Imagine someone being 17 in the US and their partner being 18 in the US. Does that make the partner over the age of 18 a pedophile that grooms minors? Not particularly. Don't look too far into fiction, pedophilia sucks but grooming happens in a much more drastic way in reality! :)

can i call the cops now?

can i call the cops now?

What do you plan to tell them?

Murderers have their wet dreams put into fictions andenjoyed by common folk, I want pedos and all their kindred have their own too. I don't see the difference.
If things like Itou Hachi is enough to induce in people changes of heart and the will to change laws, then our moral values are ridiculously fragile, and not worthy of respect.
Hachi is love, Hachi is life !

Imagine being this upset by drawings.

I think the art styles and presentation should also be considered. Softcharm's works are so wild and ridiculous that nobody would ever take them seriously. They take place in unrealistic settings where nobody seems to question why there are kids masturbating or having sex publicly. Sure, they're very fetishistic, but that's porn for you.

However, Itou Hachi has a very pretty and soft art style, they don't draw porn exclusively but often make actual stories. Somehow, a sweet, "wholesome" atmosphere mixed up with what is evidently pedophilia comes off as creepier than mere loli porn. I don't think one is worse than the other when it comes to morally questionable content, but I admit that this manga disturbed me more than Softcharm's due to the pedo implications presented in such a cutesy, non-threatening way. The fact there's a character that clearly sees the woman's actions as predatory only made it worse.

this is just grooming