they are not objectively the same when one caused physical pain and the other didn't

like, that goes against the very idea of something "objectively" being the same

i am very smart

I didn’t say both are the same, I said both are objectively bad on the same level. One physical the other sexual. We differ on the balance of which one we consider a greater offender than the other. I personally don’t think one is worse than the other (in this specific case) and you on the other hand think one is worse than the other, that is ok, no need to be sarcastic. I don't care enough about this tbh, and don’t want to drag it either. I will leave it at that.

I think you need to look up what the word "objectively" means. But I get your point, and that's fine. I wasn't trying to say people had to agree with me. Not to point fingers, but it was other people that kept interrogating why I hated his ass and telling me or someone else to have a son or whatever, idk what that was all about.

I already have a son and his name is Mio from "I'll Cheer On My Yuri Onee-chan."

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they are not objectively the same when one caused physical pain and the other didn't

like, that goes against the very idea of something "objectively" being the same

i am very smart

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What I hate most about this argument is that in the process to explain why the girl's actions are “different” from the boy's, people turn the fetish/kink into something boring, into nothing despite being the appeal of the story.
Yarai forced herself on Ritsu, that’s why it’s hot lol

This same discussion happens every time there is agep-gap teacher x student het vs age-gap teacher x student yuri, accepting that you like one because is yuri and hate the other because is het is much more honest and cooler than repeating this discussion forever.

Look, if you check my comment history, you'll see I have absolutely no problem with women carving each other up and oneeloli and I recognize it's totally "muh toxic" or "muh problematic" and whatever because toxicity and mental illness is hot. Moreover, I'm perfectly happy acknowledging moments where I apply a double standard. But this isn't one of them.

It's not the forced kiss/attempt at the forced kiss that bothered me here and tbh, I wouldn't even bother explaining myself and just shitpost like I did originally about hoping he'd be a victim, if people didn't start throwing imaginary concepts like misandry around because of that, so I feel compelled to explain myself because apparently people only read the last two words when I said "dragging her forcefully somewhere to kiss her."

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I need adachi mom x shimamura mom

if you call that assault then Yarai sure also did that.. multiple times. whats your point? misandry? hope you'll have a son

Yarai never dragged Ritsu around by the wrist where she explicitly tells her it hurts but she just doesn't gaf or apologize because she needs that kiss. That's because Yarai is cool and based.

Even on the first page I'm explicitly clear that the forceful dragging to get the kiss was what bothered me, not just him trying to kiss her. If all he did was lean in and say "hey can we kiss" to Ritsu and going for it without a verbal answer, then sure that's being awkward, except that's not what happened. Sorry, but guys even inadvertently using force to dictate a scenario hits a little too close to reality for me even if this story is supposed to be lighthearted.

I'm totally ok with being a misandrist mean bitch though if that counts as being a misandrist mean bitch. If I have a son I hope he doesn't grab women and start pulling them somewhere without an explanation of where he's taking them. I'll disown his fucking ass I stg.

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Seems mean to say about a chill guy.

I talked shit about him from the first page of the comments so at least I'm a consistent mean bitch if nothing else

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If this kid doesn’t have a secret gf or something he’s just a poor victim of his cheating girlfriend and I dont think the author would wanna cast the main character in such a unfavorable light lol

I hope he's a victim because fuck him anyway

On the Meguru and Azuki bit, I agree completely with it. These things they had been fighting and confronting can change overnight in real life, as I have gone through several of these fucking things by having actually dated horrible and good people.

People are complicated and I can see a good ending happening for those two, I see that even though we ended up with a "Oh no, the couple presented at the beginning aren't together by the end" we were never gonna get that because well, they weren't a couple. Remu is simply not into human beings. Would I have liked a longer bit with Meguru and Azuki understanding each other and so on? Yeah I would, but Meguru was never just a plainly horrible person and Azuki has an ally to her to overcome the baggage, she's not alone. Meguru and Azuki's arcs are fine, Meguru and her sister (Remu) are fine.

WHAT ISN'T FINE IS WE GOT NO RESOLUTION AT ALL WITH NIJI. Niji just felt like this horrible selfish character that gets one crying scene at the end and Remu saying "Can we become friends again?" And the answer is "fuck if I know" and that's it. I'm sorry to say but the weak link of this story is not Meguru and Azuki getting together, your views are narrow, it's Niji. Niji is the weakest link, she's not a person, she's a plot point, her disgusting side appears and is sincerely not nearly as sympathetic as anyone else's and she doesn't confront it, she looks her friend in the eye and say "You aren't real." And leave and cry. That's her character, that's her. Out of everyone, she's the truly disgusting one.

I focused on Meguru and Azuki because there's at least a conclusion to their story. I'm not even going to comment on Niji because as far as I'm concerned it's just a completely dropped plotline, victim to the axe. There's no resolution so there's nothing to say about it besides a shrug because it literally went nowhere in the end, as you said.

For what it's worth, in all seriousness though, Meguru was probably my favorite character so I don't mind a Meguru end at all. I just think it was too clean to feel like a real resolution.

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Late to the party, but this one hit me right in the heart and left me in tears. Sorry about the incoming blogpost for anyone reading this.

I lived in a car with my wife for a while in my life when I was pretty much running away from my responsibilities in college. We couldn't really afford food or gas so we couldn't go anywhere and just ate a single cup ramen every day and snacked on free sugar packets from Starbucks. At night, we'd just lay in her car, just talking to each other about things or playing dumb games like 20 questions until we fell asleep, and wake up to find my feet in a puddle water because her car was a piece of garbage that was only barely hanging together by a thread.

I think back about those times and how happy I was despite objectively having almost nothing besides each other. "An empty stomach, scraps of food, an empty purse, and the fill of her heat," I guess. And just like them, eventually I had to face reality and go back to college, but graduated without a job, stressing over feeling worthless, until eventually found myself at a job (in Japan, no less) that also ruined me further mentally, while my wife constantly asked her self what would make things easier on me so I can just smile again, while we both agonized about how our personal failures were making the other person suffer. She really is the Hii-chan to my Haru, I guess.

I don't even really know what I'm getting at but I loved this manga, honestly. I don't think the ending is hopeless. I'm living through it right now, really, and I have hope, I guess. Society is fucking awful and soul rending, and a world that won't recognize just how beautiful their relationship is a twisted world, yeah, but I don't think the message of the story is just to submit and accept your fate. I mean, certainly, the truth is there isn't really much they can do to change it, and running away and living on the fringes of society is just a fantasy for most people that were that were raised by that very society. But the fact that they have each other, is enough. It's enough to be happy, even if everything else fucking sucks. Even if nobody will recognize them, or us. That's my takeaway, at least.

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nbr is still better than nothing

so I did do a bit of re-reading in no small part because a lot of people unhappy with Meguru and Azuki getting back together are saying her arc was rushed. And like that's just not what happened? Like she came to a resolution with Remu in the last three chapters that allowed her to fully accept both Remu and Azuki and herself for having sexual desires. But Meguru's breaking point was in chapter 10 and 11 where she tested Azuki for sexual desire (disgusting), Azuki passed (she acted as if sexual desire is digusting and didn't do anything), and Meguru found herself deeply unhappy about it.

Like that's the point she started truly working through her issues and she had all of volume three to do so. Yes her confrontation with Remu was chapter 15 and 16, three chapters before the end but by that point she'd already changed a lot from who she was at introduction. the idea that that is the moment she started to resolve her issues is just wrong, though I can see how it would be remembered as it was the big confrontation.

overall Meguru is a recurring character throughout the story and starts really working through her issues at the end of volume two pulling about a third of the focus on the entire series. I'd say that's not exactly rushed. Honestly it has me arguing she's not just an important character but one of the protagonists. So, ultimately I'm not going to say you're not allowed to like the idea of Remu and Azuki better than Meguru and Azuki but I don't it's fair to argue Meguru is underbaked.

When people say "rushed" they don't really mean the physical amount of chapters dedicated to the issue - otherwise every oneshot would be rushed.

When I hear "rushed" I think it generally refers to whether something feels earned on an emotional level - whether characters went through enough adversity or if it feels like they simply skipped to the endpoint of their character development. It's true that Meguru resolved her issues over time just by thinking about it more deeply and reflecting on her own points of view, but personally, I think the idea that she is self aware enough to realize that her own rejection of sex was just her forcing her own trauma onto other people just isn't very convincing. If she was that kind of person, she wouldn't have done what she did to Azuki and vanished all those years back in the first place.

I don't think the series was especially terrible or anything but I certainly think the ending feels unearned. Everyone sat around and exposited their motivations out before wrapping them up in a neat bow and it's just hard to imagine someone upending their whole worldview so painlessly. Of course, the axe probably had everything to do with that, so it is what it is.

Anyway 0/10 manga, no incest threesome, dropped, unsubscribed, blocking usui shio on twitter.

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you want them together, either they are both already lowkey fucked up, obsessed with each other, and become even more fucked up

this. I want this.

damaged couples are the most romantic ones.

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I'm loving this story, it hurts in all the right ways. Obviously they shouldn't get together, but as long as Nina can get her feelings across (and maybe even boost Mao's ego a bit) I'll count it as a good ending.

speak for yourself, they 100% should get together

i fucking love it when a girl who harbored intense jealousy towards another girl she believes is better than her in every way realizes that the girl who's the target of their jealousy loves her and then starts deriving her self worth from the idea that someone they believed to be so perfect and superior loves them

directly attack my life points with that shit

Wait why's everyone sad i don't get it (i haven't watched AoT)

one of them died for the sake of the other who got forced into a het marriage so she can make babies for the royal bloodline

fuck aot btw

Rinne is a national treasure

Wish Norika got undressed too.

Such an overlooked but fundamental truth spoken here.
I hope the next chapters feature Ririka topping Norika. Onee-san is a good girl too, after all.

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You know, it's actually sweet that Norika is nothing but supportive towards Rira and her emotional baggage. There's no "you're a bad girl" or "you're dirty for liking this" - Rather than attempt to isolate her with shame, humiliation and guilt, Norika from the beginning has only told Rira that she's a good, hardworking and honest girl that shouldn't be ashamed about wanting things. It's exactly the kind of praise, affection and encouragement that Rira clearly lacks at home, yet craves more than anything else.

Therefore, I elect that this manga should get the wholesome tag.

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Uika did nothing wrong, but unironically.

Yes, I'm also a SayoHina fan, how did you know

I don't think the mutilation is extra - it's something that represents physical proof of their bond, that they're exclusive to each other, and probably why Mizuki can accept that Sayori won't tire of her even when they are apart, like what happened to the couple in their novel.

Much more romantic (and painful) than rings!

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I think in a weird way, their relationship absolutely is wholesome.

In setups like this, most of the time the couple becomes more and more dependent on each other. The typical development would be that Sayori gives up on the idea of going to another college for the sake of their love. But really that's just accepting the fact that in the end, there's a lack of trust between the two in that hypothetical scenario.

But that's not how this situation ended up playing out - because they irrevocably marked each other with those scars, it actually resulted in a greater degree of trust between the two. Mizuki accepts that Sayori has to independently do certain things for her own sake (which is what going to a separate college effectively entails in this scenario) and is perfectly happy, currently betraying not a single hint of doubts that Sayori has become disinterested in her. At some point they had to have sat down and talked the situation out, coming to some kind of compromise about what Sayori needs to do to realize her full potential.

I think it's also hilarious to imagine them having the most passionate fucking session after cutting each other up, and then, while they're lying in each other's blood and other fluids, Sayori going "ok fr tho im not going to your college its shit ngl" and Mizuki being like "uuuuuuugh fine no you're right this place is shit."

If you think about the future the two of them share together, it's happy. They trust each other. They're realizing their own goals, even if it means they will have to spend time apart. They have the approval of their families to live together. Of course, the incident that triggered this was twisted, but in some weird way they actually benefited from it. It's like, super romantic.

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all the cowards who preen on about how much they love toxic yuri, now avert their eyes when things get properly spicy

Not sure if the author was processing something or just wanted to write a fairly bad main protagonist of this short story but her cognition of the world is totally backwards. Azu is the fake one and the people trying to get their revenge on her were fairly forthright and honest about it.

Everyone here kinda sucks and not even in an endearing or hot way, just kinda annoying

I don't know how you define "honest" and "fake" but that's absolutely not true, if you go by what Rena defines as honesty.

Rena can trust Azu's words at face value. Azu would never lie to her, if only because she's so shameless she doesn't care enough to deceive her. In Rena's view, this is honest because she can trust Azu will say whatever she genuinely thinks to her.

Rena cannot trust her classmates' words, however, and the example given in the story is their attempt to feign concern over Rena when they really just want her as a tool to get revenge on Azu. One of them tells Rena, "Just let me know next time she pisses you off!" but she isn't saying that because she cares about Rena's feelings as much as using it as pretext to attack Azu, deserved or not.

Also Rena is so fucking attractive I swear to god.

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Damn, I love every character in this.

I don't get it, this isn't a trans manga. I think about wanting to be a woman and in a lesbian relationship all the time, but that doesn't make me trans.

Yeah, I only fantasize about being a woman the normal amount.

Is this another "I want to be a cute girl but I'm definitely cis, you guys" thing?

I hope not, the protagonist explicitly wishes to have been born as a woman.