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Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

So hard-boiled! :D

Ykn1
joined Dec 20, 2018

These guys made a big mistake...

GestalRoyale
Hj
joined May 3, 2020

Next time on Tadakoro-san: Some punks die in an alley

joined Sep 4, 2016

Well, that escalated quickly.

Don't much care for this trope either. I get yuri is all about the ladies, but I hate it when manga make guys look like total assholes for no reason other than what seems to be sour feminist grapes. Yes, there are some really shitty dudes out there, just like there's some really messed up women. However, the majority of us guys are decent human beings who don't act like this, and would never treat other people that way, regardless of gender.

ObtainCheese
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joined Apr 10, 2020

Well, that escalated quickly.

Don't much care for this trope either. I get yuri is all about the ladies, but I hate it when manga make guys look like total assholes for no reason other than what seems to be sour feminist grapes. Yes, there are some really shitty dudes out there, just like there's some really messed up women. However, the majority of us guys are decent human beings who don't act like this, and would never treat other people that way, regardless of gender.

Yeah, but you know you can't trust someone

Also, it's entertaining to see them getting kil- I mean beat

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Utsugi
joined Nov 24, 2017

Yeah, but you know you can't trust someone

Please continue.

ObtainCheese
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joined Apr 10, 2020

Yeah, but you know you can't trust someone

Please continue.

I'm pessimistic and paranoid, so it's really hard for me to think man can be nice, also woman too, either way if both of them are a scumbag deserve to get punch on the face.

Ask me if you confuse with my statement

last edited at Jul 6, 2020 5:31PM

Jahy-sama%20(11)
joined Jul 5, 2017

Well, that escalated quickly.

Don't much care for this trope either. I get yuri is all about the ladies, but I hate it when manga make guys look like total assholes for no reason other than what seems to be sour feminist grapes. Yes, there are some really shitty dudes out there, just like there's some really messed up women. However, the majority of us guys are decent human beings who don't act like this, and would never treat other people that way, regardless of gender.

I'm just going to say something cause this topic is dealing with reality and want to address it.

Yes, almost a majority of men aren't that extremely evil, but I feel that it isn't only people who act that way are the only bad guys. I was an oblivious misogynistic when I was young, thinking that certain roles should only be done by women and men are more privileged. But I grew up and matured out of that mindset, I never intended any parts of my views to be disrespectful towards women but I never thought that my views were entirely disrespectful and because of that I wasn't able to see the whole picture for what it was.

Even though at present I'm more attentive to social inequality, I can't help but feel helpless when certain incidents occur across the world, and what is even more horrifying is that people who are supposed to be good and decent human being aren't aware of the lack of social effort they put into these issues. I'm not blaming normal civilians who genuinely believe they are trying to do good, but there is a very large grey area that most of us unknowingly walk in, that makes us fall short of actually helping out people in need or making a difference.

Sometimes in order to create a clear 'socially just' society for all people, we might need to adopt an extreme narrative that the bad things happening in the real world, may have been contributed by our own obliviousness or inability to distinctively reach out and help. We may not be a part of the crimes that are committed but our inability to help isn't by any means beneficial to anyone.

Utsugi
joined Nov 24, 2017

Well, that escalated quickly.

Don't much care for this trope either. I get yuri is all about the ladies, but I hate it when manga make guys look like total assholes for no reason other than what seems to be sour feminist grapes. Yes, there are some really shitty dudes out there, just like there's some really messed up women. However, the majority of us guys are decent human beings who don't act like this, and would never treat other people that way, regardless of gender.

I'm just going to say something cause this topic is dealing with reality and want to address it.

Yes, almost a majority of men aren't that extremely evil, but I feel that it isn't only people who act that way are the only bad guys. I was an oblivious misogynistic when I was young, thinking that certain roles should only be done by women and men are more privileged. But I grew up and matured out of that mindset, I never intended any parts of my views to be disrespectful towards women but I never thought that my views were entirely disrespectful and because of that I wasn't able to see the whole picture for what it was.

Even though at present I'm more attentive to social inequality, I can't help but feel helpless when certain incidents occur across the world, and what is even more horrifying is that people who are supposed to be good and decent human being aren't aware of the lack of social effort they put into these issues. I'm not blaming normal civilians who genuinely believe they are trying to do good, but there is a very large grey area that most of us unknowingly walk in, that makes us fall short of actually helping out people in need or making a difference.

Sometimes in order to create a clear 'socially just' society for all people, we might need to adopt an extreme narrative that the bad things happening in the real world, may have been contributed by our own obliviousness or inability to distinctively reach out and help. We may not be a part of the crimes that are committed but our inability to help isn't by any means beneficial to anyone.

I think it's necessary for everyone in society to take personal responsibility for calling out any kind of harassment that they see publicly, so that the person doing it comes to understand that it's unacceptable and won't be tolerated. For the person annoyed at the "sour feminist grapes," whatever that's supposed to mean, this goes back to my comment about sexual assault being normalized in Japanese culture, especially fiction. It's everywhere. I mean, literally everywhere. The "magistrate assaulting the girl" is played for laughs all the fucking time. I don't know if it's gotten better in recent years or not, but the depiction of assault is alive and well, as shown by this story. All stereotypes have a basis in reality, and this is no different.

ObtainCheese
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joined Apr 10, 2020

I think it's necessary for everyone in society to take personal responsibility for calling out any kind of harassment that they see publicly, so that the person doing it comes to understand that it's unacceptable and won't be tolerated. For the person annoyed at the "sour feminist grapes," whatever that's supposed to mean, this goes back to my comment about sexual assault being normalized in Japanese culture, especially fiction. It's everywhere. I mean, literally everywhere. The "magistrate assaulting the girl" is played for laughs all the fucking time. I don't know if it's gotten better in recent years or not, but the depiction of assault is alive and well, as shown by this story. All stereotypes have a basis in reality, and this is no different.

Couldn't agree more, your statement also said a lots about Tadokoro manga rejection by her editor aka douchebag cause there's no "magistrate assaulting the girl" thingy, hope Sakurochan (I forgot her name) will go after him next...

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TheAlmightyUltimus
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joined Oct 30, 2018

So, who wants to start making the funeral arrangements? Gonna need three caskets at least, four if she came from a 'talk' with the editor.

Omochikaeri_thumb
joined Nov 2, 2013

I think it's necessary for everyone in society to take personal responsibility for calling out any kind of harassment that they see publicly, so that the person doing it comes to understand that it's unacceptable and won't be tolerated. For the person annoyed at the "sour feminist grapes," whatever that's supposed to mean, this goes back to my comment about sexual assault being normalized in Japanese culture, especially fiction. It's everywhere. I mean, literally everywhere. The "magistrate assaulting the girl" is played for laughs all the fucking time. I don't know if it's gotten better in recent years or not, but the depiction of assault is alive and well, as shown by this story. All stereotypes have a basis in reality, and this is no different.

You're right. It's the reason I don't watch much anime anymore. I basically only read yuri manga so I especially hate when some forced het rape is shoe horned in, in what I thought was an extremely wholesome manga about two girls that like each other. It's just really triggering. Lately western cartoons have the right idea with the lgbt representation but back then I had to settle for yuri anime that was incredibly rapey (ex: kannazuki no miko & strawberry panic)

maybe I am biased because I'm from the states and thats just our culture but I feel extremely bad for women where they have to tolerate a misogynist culture.

Alice Cheshire
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joined Nov 7, 2014

TheAlmightyUltimus posted:

So, who wants to start making the funeral arrangements? Gonna need three caskets at least, four if she came from a 'talk' with the editor.

I dunno why they'd need funerals. Nobody's ever going to find the bodies.

kickap00 posted:

I think it's necessary for everyone in society to take personal responsibility for calling out any kind of harassment that they see publicly, so that the person doing it comes to understand that it's unacceptable and won't be tolerated. For the person annoyed at the "sour feminist grapes," whatever that's supposed to mean, this goes back to my comment about sexual assault being normalized in Japanese culture, especially fiction. It's everywhere. I mean, literally everywhere. The "magistrate assaulting the girl" is played for laughs all the fucking time. I don't know if it's gotten better in recent years or not, but the depiction of assault is alive and well, as shown by this story. All stereotypes have a basis in reality, and this is no different.

You're right. It's the reason I don't watch much anime anymore. I basically only read yuri manga so I especially hate when some forced het rape is shoe horned in, in what I thought was an extremely wholesome manga about two girls that like each other. It's just really triggering. Lately western cartoons have the right idea with the lgbt representation but back then I had to settle for yuri anime that was incredibly rapey (ex: kannazuki no miko & strawberry panic)

maybe I am biased because I'm from the states and thats just our culture but I feel extremely bad for women where they have to tolerate a misogynist culture.

It's really obnoxious how prevalent this kinda crap is in anime. I'm quite picky about what anime I watch and I still have to tolerate that sort of shit far too often even in shows that are otherwise good. Ghost in the Shell, for example, is widely considered to be a great franchise. (Ignoring Arise which was just all over the place and Stand Alone Complex 2045 which just seems awful from the one episode I was able to sit through.) The Major has to deal with sexist crap far too often, including from well-meaning sources such as Batou. Not to mention the episode in 2nd Gig where Section 9 goes to some bigwig party working as security and the guy they're doing it for gets extremely touchy with the Major and she's just forced to tolerate it.

joined Aug 1, 2011

Just a hint, but if you're in a shoujo manga and someone shows up with shonen particle effects, maybe don't pick a fight with them. Or do. You probably deserve the inevitable outcome.

Don't much care for this trope either. I get yuri is all about the ladies, but I hate it when manga make guys look like total assholes for no reason other than what seems to be sour feminist grapes. Yes, there are some really shitty dudes out there, just like there's some really messed up women. However, the majority of us guys are decent human beings who don't act like this, and would never treat other people that way, regardless of gender.

I don't think that's quite what's happening here. Or, more precisely, I don't think their gender is a key motivator for this exchange. Keep in mind that this is the second time we've seen Tadokoro subjected to extreme harassment, but the last time was lead by a girl. Similarly, these aren't the first guys we've seen in the manga and the last set were perfectly nice, despite looking like punks.

It's really obnoxious how prevalent this kinda crap is in anime. I'm quite picky about what anime I watch and I still have to tolerate that sort of shit far too often even in shows that are otherwise good. Ghost in the Shell, for example, is widely considered to be a great franchise. (Ignoring Arise which was just all over the place and Stand Alone Complex 2045 which just seems awful from the one episode I was able to sit through.) The Major has to deal with sexist crap far too often, including from well-meaning sources such as Batou. Not to mention the episode in 2nd Gig where Section 9 goes to some bigwig party working as security and the guy they're doing it for gets extremely touchy with the Major and she's just forced to tolerate it.

I don't recall Batou doing anything sexist to the Major, though it's been a while since I watched it. As for the second episode, I don't specifically recall it, but was the point to make it clear that those people were powerful and slimy?

Alice Cheshire
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joined Nov 7, 2014

Omega Deuse posted:

It's really obnoxious how prevalent this kinda crap is in anime. I'm quite picky about what anime I watch and I still have to tolerate that sort of shit far too often even in shows that are otherwise good. Ghost in the Shell, for example, is widely considered to be a great franchise. (Ignoring Arise which was just all over the place and Stand Alone Complex 2045 which just seems awful from the one episode I was able to sit through.) The Major has to deal with sexist crap far too often, including from well-meaning sources such as Batou. Not to mention the episode in 2nd Gig where Section 9 goes to some bigwig party working as security and the guy they're doing it for gets extremely touchy with the Major and she's just forced to tolerate it.

I don't recall Batou doing anything sexist to the Major, though it's been a while since I watched it. As for the second episode, I don't specifically recall it, but was the point to make it clear that those people were powerful and slimy?

In Batou's case it's nothing overt so much as the way he's always thinking she needs rescuing and such. It happens quite a few times over the course of the series. It's clearly more of a subconscious thing than something he's doing on purpose but it's still kinda annoying.

In the second case I don't think that was the point since the episode was already centered around Section 9 infiltrating the guy's vault to get evidence to use against him anyways. For reference it's episode 3 of 2nd Gig, Cash Eye. (And coincidentally the guy in question is apparently called Mr. Tadokoro according to Wikipedia which is an odd coincidence, lol.)

ObtainCheese
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joined Apr 10, 2020

I dunno why they'd need funerals. Nobody's ever going to find the bodies.

I've never heard something so savage yet badass at the same time

Captureefef
joined Mar 16, 2018

Song that should be used for the next chapter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK-jjJFlxnU

Also, ain't got time to defend why I happen to like something
Life's too fucking short dawg

Nezchan Moderator
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joined Jun 28, 2012

Could we kindly stay on topic, please?

Even the Ghost In the Shell stuff is pushing it, but I'll leave it in place for now.

180
joined Sep 9, 2013

I'm waiting for Sakurako to say "Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru" while walking away.

joined Mar 8, 2019

Am I the only one who thinks Sakurako probably bought the publishing company, fired/beat the editor dude, and that's why she left?

Also, I think sh*tty behavior isn't just reserved for men in this manga. There was that one bully who wanted to throw juice at Tadokoro that was deflected by Sakurako - and yes it was just typical bullying but who knows how physical things could have gotten if Kirigaya didn't intervene.

Kirigaya herself wasn't afraid to get physical before she reformed. She shoved Tadokoro to the floor. It might not seem like a big deal compared to what these guys are doing but Kirigaya probably used to hurt Tadokoro when they were in middle school. That one guy went to middle school with them, knows Kirigaya's reputation when it comes to Tadokoro, and probably witnessed how Tadokoro just took it so that's why he thinks he can get away with doing these things. Kirigaya's actions probably would have escalated too if she were still a bully.

ObtainCheese
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joined Apr 10, 2020

Am I the only one who thinks Sakurako probably bought the publishing company, fired/beat the editor dude, and that's why she left?

Sakurako "beat" the editor, there fixed it for you.

Avatar2
joined Sep 13, 2018

i just cannot unsee this as tomoko x asuka , the personality are quite there except tadokoro is a good girl

KangaNoodles
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joined Jan 24, 2018

Also, I think sh*tty behavior isn't just reserved for men in this manga. There was that one bully who wanted to throw juice at Tadokoro that was deflected by Sakurako - and yes it was just typical bullying but who knows how physical things could have gotten if Kirigaya didn't intervene.

Kirigaya herself wasn't afraid to get physical before she reformed. She shoved Tadokoro to the floor. It might not seem like a big deal compared to what these guys are doing but Kirigaya probably used to hurt Tadokoro when they were in middle school. That one guy went to middle school with them, knows Kirigaya's reputation when it comes to Tadokoro, and probably witnessed how Tadokoro just took it so that's why he thinks he can get away with doing these things. Kirigaya's actions probably would have escalated too if she were still a bully.

True, if her bullying continued it might have intensified to the whole 'now strip' bit, its very bully..... It went from wholesome to almost rape pretty quick tho... Didn't see that coming

Download%20(11)
joined Jan 27, 2016

Chap 58 - 6 pages
Chap 59 - 4 pages
Chap 60 - 3 pages

Yeah kinda sad are not evolving with the chapters we are going backwards

joined Mar 8, 2019

True, if her bullying continued it might have intensified to the whole 'now strip' bit, its very bully..... It went from wholesome to almost rape pretty quick tho... Didn't see that coming

Since Kirigaya is gay then yes to the stripping. I get why it seems like it escalated to rape fairly quickly but I imagine that's probably why that one dude knows Tadokoro from middle school. That little bit of history connects them and the knowledge of Kirigaya alludes to the possibility that rapist dude participated in Kirigaya's bullying sessions. Combine that with the fact that he is a horny high schooler who now finds Tadokoro attractive, the rape attempt doesn't seem that far fetched to me.

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