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BeanBeanKingdom
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joined Nov 3, 2018

Oh, I woulda sworn the mangaka was a man for this one. That was only judging by their self-insert in the omakes tho.

Anyway, it's getting pretty gay again after like a 2-volume hiatus. Let's keep this homo-mentum going

She's a girl, you can see and hear her at the start of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmdliC3n_Y She tries to keep her face covered with a sticker on the video, but she accidentally slips out of the area it covers a couple times, heh.

Also, homo-mentum is an amazing word and I'll start using it myself from now on.

Oml, she seems super nice, thank you for sharing.

Oh, and she can straight-up be fully seen at the end of the video. Serves me right for not sticking around for the credits the first time I watched it.

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joined Feb 9, 2016

She is a very brave mangaka! Most people hide their face nowadays! maybe she was thinking of her non japanese followers!

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BeanBeanKingdom
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joined Nov 3, 2018

She is, she had a few other videos with halfway-done English subs and she also tries to reply in English on twitter when she gets English tweets. Well, she google translates her way through, but it's the thought that counts.

Yuriloveisbestlove
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joined Feb 15, 2019

They're so obviously gay for each other and neither you all in the comments or the mangaka herself is going to convince me otherwise. The yuri goggles are on and they ain't coming off.

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joined Oct 7, 2017

as a lesbian I absolutely agree that I prefer the yuri I read to be written by women. there are straight men who can write good yuri (in fact my absolute favorite lesbian romance story was written by two men) but it's also a fact that a lot of men who write/draw yuri do so for a male target audience, and there's that other subgroup of men who write/read stories about lesbians for fetishistic reasons...
It just feels better to me to read yuri written by girls, for girls, or even better, by lesbians, for lesbians.

(and inversely, all these same situations can occur when straight women write/read yaoi, of course.)

TifalovesAerith
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joined May 7, 2017

oh geez, the cliffhanger, can't these go back to being friends even though Konatsu-chan is currently friends with Kaede-sama? Are friendship threesomes a thing? WE SHALL SEE ... THE PLOT THICKENS

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joined Sep 6, 2011

Maybe that's just sexist of me tho.

Yes.

Well defend your opinion, comrade! Convert me from my sexist ways!

Why, exactly, shouldn't I be inherently wary of lesbian romance / sexuality that is written by someone, who not only can have had no real-life experience with the matter, but who also might have cause to portray it in a shallow and unrealistic light for their own gratification?

I'd never mean to imply that ALL men write lesbians like this, only that many do and that I believe I have a fair cause to be on guard.

It is fiction for starters. There are good and bad authors and it doesn't have anything to do with their sex. I think you don't even comprehend how stupid it is to ask an author to have experience about what they are about to write/create. We wouldn't have superhero, sci-fi, pirate, medieval or any other media around.

Unless that superpower is bigotry. Then by your own theory you could make a superhero flick.

For the sake of argumentation please point out those portrayals and I will answer with ten times that amount done by women.

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Jamal_Williams69
joined May 13, 2018

Maybe that's just sexist of me tho.

Yes.

Well defend your opinion, comrade! Convert me from my sexist ways!

Why, exactly, shouldn't I be inherently wary of lesbian romance / sexuality that is written by someone, who not only can have had no real-life experience with the matter, but who also might have cause to portray it in a shallow and unrealistic light for their own gratification?

holy shit, what a bigoted argument lmao

last edited at Oct 27, 2019 3:51PM

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joined May 29, 2019

gay

joined Jul 26, 2019

On the contrary, I see with this end of chapter a great possible progress, its stagnating too much between the two the clash will necessarily have an electroshock and I hope that at the next chapter something concrete will be discussed between them.

BeanBeanKingdom
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joined Nov 3, 2018

Electroshocks are lethal to creatures who dwell in water, I'm worried now.

joined Jul 26, 2019

Or she turns her back on the club and leaves koyuki in embarrassment with her father and we start again on a distant and dramatic conflict....Anyway koyuki took a kind of slap, how she will react she who thought she would leave her girlfriend in the best mood and continue her journey with peace of mind.Miss it!

joined Jun 12, 2019

as a lesbian I absolutely agree that I prefer the yuri I read to be written by women. there are straight men who can write good yuri (in fact my absolute favorite lesbian romance story was written by two men) but it's also a fact that a lot of men who write/draw yuri do so for a male target audience, and there's that other subgroup of men who write/read stories about lesbians for fetishistic reasons...
It just feels better to me to read yuri written by girls, for girls, or even better, by lesbians, for lesbians.

(and inversely, all these same situations can occur when straight women write/read yaoi, of course.)

Which are your two favorite yuri romance story that u mentioned?

joined Jun 12, 2019

I’m so confused but whatever they are in love

joined Jul 26, 2019

I hope not that the story will introduce the boy into the club and become a kind of confidant for konatsu and make us drag the evolution of their story too long... the rhythm is already slow enough as it is, we need a discussion between these 2 humans like any person who has the language...

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joined Feb 10, 2016

I think the frustration is because Koyuki clearly has, or used to have, a massive crush on Konatsu.

And I think this is probably one of the biggest misunderstandings anyone has about this series. It's about loneliness, finding friends, and the massive anxiety of actually finding someone who wants to be your close friend but you don't really know for sure because it's a dumb question to ask and the possibility of being ridiculed in response is too terrifying and anyway people don't ask that sort of thing, right? You're supposed to ~know~

Back at the time they were just starting off as friends, there was a chapter when they want to some sort of cat island together and Koyuki got all nervous cause she saw their trip together as going on a date. You can't possibly give a heterosexual explanation for this.

Snowfox
joined Jan 31, 2015

Went back to reread this from the beginning. Had to stop because my cheeks hurt from all the smiling. Yeah, they have some things to work out, but I love this pair.

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joined Sep 6, 2011

as a lesbian I absolutely agree that I prefer the yuri I read to be written by women. there are straight men who can write good yuri (in fact my absolute favorite lesbian romance story was written by two men) but it's also a fact that a lot of men who write/draw yuri do so for a male target audience, and there's that other subgroup of men who write/read stories about lesbians for fetishistic reasons...
It just feels better to me to read yuri written by girls, for girls, or even better, by lesbians, for lesbians.

(and inversely, all these same situations can occur when straight women write/read yaoi, of course.)

So.

Let me get this straight (pun intended).

You prefer your yuri based on the author's name and you prefer a lesbian author because that fact alone makes it better for you. Because no one lies on the internet or this business.

Talk about twisted.

My favorite yuri manga was created by a man and a woman, Ebisu-san and Hotei-san but I couldn't care less. If anything, the only moment I look for the author's names is to look up more from them.

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joined Jul 29, 2017

While I try to stay out of the prediction business, in this case I’m thinking:

Originally I had assumed that the frog and the salamander story was just a kind of indirect parallel suggesting the themes of generalized loneliness and the desperation of mutual comforting. But that’s a pretty grim story with a very bleak ending, and the references to it have been very sustained, which makes me think that Koyuki and Konatsu are going to get to (if they aren’t presently at) a pretty dark place, relatively speaking.

Nevertheless, my impression still is that things will eventually turn out OK. The two of them just have too many benign supporters on their side for things to finally end up in a dire emotional place. My take at the moment, anyway.

Ke%20(5)
joined Feb 10, 2016

Ebisu-san and Hotei-san

Splendid taste. I always go back to rereading this one every once in a while. Had no idea one of the authors was male though. I always automatically assume all yuri authors are female (silly me, I know)

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joined Sep 6, 2011

I never did say that it couldn't happen, only that in my experience it doesn't very often. That being said, I'm always on the lookout for more decent reading material. I'd love it if you posted some of your favs, to prove me wrong and expose me for the sexist man-hating nazi that I am and all that.

Your experience seems to be very, very limited. It is extremely rare for men to do yuri. You can check a list of my favorites I've been forging through the ages right beside my post count.

Some male yuri authors included in that list:

  • Kishi Torajirou: Because Virgin's Empire is awesome. A huge, massive and awesome perv.
  • Ootomo Megane: A favorite of mine because we share a glasses fetish.
  • Higashiyama Shou: Prism, Stretch and Vampeerz. Mind you, this guy does loli hentai.
  • Suga Atsushi: Notes From The Garden Of Lilies.
  • TATSUBON: Because Tadokoro-san is great.
  • Nishio Yuhta: After Hours
  • Kurata Uso: Linkage
  • Isomoto Tsuyoshi: Girl's Ride
  • Heebee: Majyo to Houki to Kurobuchi Megane
  • Yasuda Kousuke: Kusanagi-Sensei is Being Tested
  • Hattori Mitsuru: Concerto. (Another ecchi author)
  • Yoshitomi Akihito: Sisterism (My avatar is from that series)
  • Itou Ryou: Yamanko

Info taken from baka-updates not sure if accurate. I didn't know most of these were men. It is particularly surprising that Kurata Uso and Suga Atsushi are male. On the other hand I expected the authors from some ecchi series to be male and I was dead wrong.

More to the point, this is less about the quality of an author's work and more about the intent behind it. On what I've found to be a statistically rarer occasion that a woman writes a female character to be shallowly titillating and sexy, it is more often then not titillating and sexy as a woman would find it, which is personally more up my alley. Which, in turn, brings this back around to being a matter of personal opinion based upon my own experience.

Please elaborate about this intent thing. Because by your previous message and this one you're implying that men are tainting the genre just by writing and/or reading it.

Ad-hominem arguments are a bad look, nee-san. They erode your position by suggesting insecurity and an inability to properly defend your views.

No ad-hominem attack. You're a bigot, full stop. It is you who's putting down male authors just for being male. Just think how screwed up that would be if someone said that about female authors writing yaoi or anything not related to the kitchen and laundry. /s (I'm ashamed I actually had to put that)

Jamal_Williams69
joined May 13, 2018

i don't really have a dog in this race, but...

I never did say that it couldn't happen, only that in my experience it doesn't very often. That being said, I'm always on the lookout for more decent reading material. I'd love it if you posted some of your favs, to prove me wrong and expose me for the sexist man-hating nazi that I am and all that.

putting words in someone else's mouth, yikes. At least argue in good faith

BeanBeanKingdom
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joined Nov 3, 2018

EDIT: This was meant as a reply to a now-deleted post asking to try and explain why the characters feel so distant now.

I tried to in my posts over the last few pages. From how I see it, Konatsu is frustrated with herself for wanting to act against Koyuki's best interest and to keep the exclusive connection (initially based on their shared loneliness) she used to have with her and her only, despite the fact that it was Konatsu herself who pushed her towards opening up to other people. And she's also frustrated with Koyuki for not understanding where she's coming from since Koyuki thinks that other people will fill the void that her going away will leave inside Konatsu; it won't, and Konatsu's current feelings are telling her that only Koyuki's presence and attention can ease her loneliness.

As for Koyuki, she just seems to genuinely be incapable of analyzing the situation deeply enough due to her lack of social awareness and experience. She outright can't understand that Konatsu considers their connection special and that she'd think of her differently from how she'd think of any other friend she might make. This was evident from very early on, for instance when she told Konatsu there was no particular reason why she called out to her on the day she first came to school despite Konatsu wanting to hear her say she also considered their first meeting special.

If I had to fault one of the two over the other, it would have to be Konatsu. She's the one with the ability to start to try and sort things out by being straightforward, although she won't because she knows she's in the wrong.

last edited at Oct 27, 2019 8:18PM

Nyohohoho
joined Apr 20, 2013

To think that everything went terrible wrong the moment that Konatsu saw Koyuki and Kaede together (lol they all start with K) and suddenly realized that she liked Koyuki more than just a friend... But at the same time, if this wasn't triggered, graduation would come and then Konatsu might've realized too late and it would be tragic anyway

last edited at Oct 27, 2019 8:29PM

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