Oh gee

Mmmmm I like this one.

I like the angle. Is there more?

maybe or nope in this :>

i came prepared for the worst, but was pleasantly suprised

I am entirely for this, it's well written.

I can't be the only one who had absolutely no idea what was going on in this one. The language didn't seem to make sense half the time?

I like the pacing for this one a lot.

Yukiko's mom has got it going on.

Yukiko's mom has got it going on.

She's all that I've wanted and I've waited for so long.

It sucks for the husband. Also, kind of a dumb reason to fall for her. Because she said her name? Does her husband not do that?

It sucks for the husband. Also, kind of a dumb reason to fall for her. Because she said her name? Does her husband not do that?

At least in fiction, a lot of married couples with kids refer to each other as "mom" and "dad", the same as the kids.

It sucks for the husband. Also, kind of a dumb reason to fall for her. Because she said her name? Does her husband not do that?

At least in fiction, a lot of married couples with kids refer to each other as "mom" and "dad", the same as the kids.

Still though, seems like a dumb reason.

I think the language was probably very hard to translate, mostly because the mom has mixed emotions of envy and desire, and her dialogue was written in a very modest, Japanese way.

It sucks for the husband. Also, kind of a dumb reason to fall for her. Because she said her name? Does her husband not do that?

At least in fiction, a lot of married couples with kids refer to each other as "mom" and "dad", the same as the kids.

Still though, seems like a dumb reason.

It's safe to say that brand of crushing existentialism doesn't just come from a happy, fulfilling life. Seems like there's more issues in the background, though nothing in the text explicitly points to it.

But!

What do these three flowers mean in the language of the flowers!?

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It sucks for the husband. Also, kind of a dumb reason to fall for her. Because she said her name? Does her husband not do that?

At least in fiction, a lot of married couples with kids refer to each other as "mom" and "dad", the same as the kids.

Still though, seems like a dumb reason.

It's safe to say that brand of crushing existentialism doesn't just come from a happy, fulfilling life. Seems like there's more issues in the background, though nothing in the text explicitly points to it.

But!

What do these three flowers mean in the language of the flowers!?

Still though. I feel bad for the husband.

Here are flower meanings, but they all have multiple in each.

http://www.flowermeaning.com/lilly-flower-meaning/
http://www.flowermeaning.com/baby-breath-flower/
http://www.flowermeaning.com/daisy-flower-meaning/

leann123 posted:

Still though. I feel bad for the husband.

Are they still actually together though? The story's not exactly clear on the subject but it seems to suggest that they're still technically married but aren't actually together.

Can someone explain the last bit. From the speech, i get that Chitose wont ever state her feelings or ask for anything, but make Saa-chan say them for her and make her ask for the things they both want. But the small back text i just cant understand. That is NOT a proper sentence.

Can someone explain the last bit. From the speech, i get that Chitose wont ever state her feelings or ask for anything, but make Saa-chan say them for her and make her ask for the things they both want. But the small back text i just cant understand. That is NOT a proper sentence.

As I understood it, Chitose's basically manipulating Sayuri into making all the moves to initiate a relationship by holding back just enough that Sayuri will have to pursue her. She seems to be doing it so that she'll feel less predatory that way, although I wonder how well it'll work for her when she knows exactly what she's doing and why.

leann123 posted:

Still though. I feel bad for the husband.

Are they still actually together though? The story's not exactly clear on the subject but it seems to suggest that they're still technically married but aren't actually together.

Considering how she made a big deal of hearing her name, I don't think she's seen her husband for a while...

leann123 posted:

Still though. I feel bad for the husband.

Are they still actually together though? The story's not exactly clear on the subject but it seems to suggest that they're still technically married but aren't actually together.

I think this is the husband, bottom right, the man with the tie
The name part is probs meaningful to her cus it's like Sayuri sees and acknowledges her as a person, as who she is, while to others, she's just this role in x person's life. Who is she? She's the mother, she's the wife.
But to Sayuri, she's Chitose, she's still her own person.
Err, something like that. A sense of identity.

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leann123 posted:

Still though. I feel bad for the husband.

Are they still actually together though? The story's not exactly clear on the subject but it seems to suggest that they're still technically married but aren't actually together.

Considering how she made a big deal of hearing her name, I don't think she's seen her husband for a while...

She mentions "losing her first name" upon having kids; I'm pretty sure it's about what Nezchan said: I've seen it in manga and heard it said a few times that Japanese couples with children often actually address each other as "mom" and "dad" rather than by name. This has always struck me as a freaky custom; I can see experiencing it as a sort of erasure of the self.
As to the husband, though . . . looking over it again, we have almost no information. He appears, faceless, in a frame or two at the very beginning, saying polite morning commonplaces that indicate zero about the relationship either way. She mentions once near the end that she is married, present tense, and that is all we know. This seems in a weird way a bit unfair. Talk about erasure--it's a kind of manipulation by the author. Chitose's getting ready to cheat on this guy and we notice her perspective--the forbidden passion, the identity crisis--but we don't notice that there's another person being betrayed because he's been almost completely removed from the picture.

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I have seen numerous manga/anime, where we actually never get to know a character's firstname.

Especially married women, and even men.

The husband calls his wife "omae", because to call her by her first name + chan or san, feels like he's addressing a friend. And after a few years of marriage, they are something more than friends. The wife calls her husband with "anata" for the same reason. They are close, but are not "friends". They are more than that.

Then they have kids.

The kids ask "where is otousan?" and the mother answers "otousan is asleep", or something. Then "Otousan" becomes the preferred way to call him in the house. Same thing for "okaasan".

In the presence of guests, the husband may just use her firstname, without san or chan, or just "oiii" to call her, because calling her "omae" can be confusing. Then he becomes accustomed to use "oi" and now the name of wife is omitted and "oi" becomes the pronoun for calling his wife. Often wives complain "I am not an oi".

It's just the way Japanese works. It's uncalled for to criticize it, I think though.

I think the fact that the mother feels strange when being called "Chitose" is mainly because it take her back to her youth and implies a level of proximity with the girl that she didn't feel in a while.

Yukiko's mom has got it going on.

She's all that I've wanted and I've waited for so long.

OH my God I love you guys.

It's from this if anyone's curious: https://soundcloud.com/revydutch/pharahs-mom

Anw I don't like this much, mom looks exactly like her daughter. Hmm maybe they're a vampire family...

Can someone explain the last bit. From the speech, i get that Chitose wont ever state her feelings or ask for anything, but make Saa-chan say them for her and make her ask for the things they both want. But the small back text i just cant understand. That is NOT a proper sentence.

As I understood it, Chitose's basically manipulating Sayuri into making all the moves to initiate a relationship by holding back just enough that Sayuri will have to pursue her. She seems to be doing it so that she'll feel less predatory that way, although I wonder how well it'll work for her when she knows exactly what she's doing and why.

to add to this, Chitose is also doing it to give herself an out. because after all, she never actually said that she loves sayuri or agreed to going out with her.