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It seems to me like blondey is only dating mc for fun and will drop her at the slightest inconvenience.

The fact that blondie texts her everyday, asking her “Tonight?” Just for sex— when, she could easily just go visit her herself + she’s got off vibes makes me think that as well. It’s only for the sex she’s interested in her

I find it hard to believe you really love someone if you’d break up immediately if exposed. Isn’t loving someone through thick and thin the sign of genuine feelings?

That being said, the MC pisses me off. Telling your goddamn female student who confessed to you that you’re also into women, and not even rejecting her on the basis of “you’re a minor” but instead basically saying “I’m currently dating someone right now” which implies that if you were single, you’d consider!?
Literally went against the one thing your GF and long time crush told you NOT to do. I’m weak. I’m sooooo weak.

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joined Nov 25, 2023

you guys are aware this is a fictional story, right? and not like an educational handbook for proper teacher-student boundaries? the way she approached it makes perfect sense for her character imo, and with everyone in this manga clearly being flawed, it's just a reflection of her own experiences with love. she sees her younger self in nakanishi and empathizes

anyway! itaoka is a douche and nami is clearly using her. i get the feeling kaede's arc here is revolving around learning to not be a doormat and value herself more. being assertive is part of that. very curious what that cliffhanger is leading to

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joined Aug 29, 2019

When the flawed characters in my drama manga aren't perfect role models whose behavior you should totally model your own after:

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joined Mar 6, 2021

you guys are aware this is a fictional story, right? and not like an educational handbook for proper teacher-student boundaries? the way she approached it makes perfect sense for her character imo, and with everyone in this manga clearly being flawed, it's just a reflection of her own experiences with love. she sees her younger self in nakanishi and empathizes

I'm tired of seeing the "fictional story" argument, and I don't think it was even warranted in this particular discussion? There's a difference between cursing the author and/or the readers for enjoying a story that doesn't comply to common morals, and discussing how a character's actions encourage a behaviour that —supposedly— she herself also condones. The way she approached this does make sense for her character, that's why people are annoyed at her. How she worded her rejection implied that the only thing stopping her from dating her student was the fact that she's already in a relationship. That's not how this situation should have been handled to guarantee that she won't have a problem with this student later on. I liked that she decided to talk to her, but she shouldn't have let her hold on to hope like she did.

I agree, or at least hope, that she will become more assertive later on.

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joined May 31, 2022

another chapter in the same week!?! we are eating today

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joined May 31, 2022

So I flipped through everything real quick to find any evidence of New Student at the end there, and she miiiiiight be the gal sitting at the front of Kaede's class? She's got a ponytail, no sideburns, and implied glasses on that second page (if they are actually the same character, too, lmao)
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/learning_love_ch01#10
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/learning_love_ch02#4
Only other ponytail girl I found was the one Itaoka implied forced a teacher to resign, but she has sideburns, probably not a match.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/learning_love_ch02#13

Idk what compelled me to do this. Anyway, thanks for the double update!!

nice catch!

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joined May 31, 2022

This author is into age-gap, so my guess is that her relationship with her coworker is exactly the type that would end at the slightest inconvenience, they don’t really love each other, the letter will be from a female student, they will end together and the teacher will learn what love is
That’s my bet at least

this might actually be the case...

joined Apr 16, 2022

I got soooo fucking pissed when she said she was dating another woman— you are her TEACHER. She is your STUDENT. That’s not HER business to know. And your girlfriend literally said she’d break up with you if people found out about you guys. Why the hell would you make it easier to do that??

The male teacher had good advice. Avoid bringing it up until they graduate and reject them then. Or just reject them now and say “you’re a student and I’m your teacher” cuz by letting her know that you’re into women as well, she’s just gonna think she has a chance.

You're not wrong, but you're also looking at it from an adult's point of view. Nakanishi clearly considers herself to be mature enough for a relationship with Kaede, she explicitly asked Kaede to date her, and so to her "you're a student and I'm your teacher" would sound like a lame excuse. That's part of the problem here -- she's still too immature to understand why a student/teacher relationship is wrong. So by approaching her on her own terms, "as an adult," Kaede is able to explain herself in a way Nakanishi can understand and accept.

Of course you could argue, it's not important that Nakanishi understands, just that she's shut down hard. And I think that's a reasonable position. But that's just not Kaede's way. She wants to connect with her students on an emotional level, and she sympathizes with Nakanishi personally as a lesbian, so that's why she did it this way instead. Time will tell if this was a wise choice on her end or not.

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joined Aug 12, 2021

You're not wrong, but you're also looking at it from an adult's point of view. Nakanishi clearly considers herself to be mature enough for a relationship with Kaede, she explicitly asked Kaede to date her, and so to her "you're a student and I'm your teacher" would sound like a lame excuse. That's part of the problem here -- she's still too immature to understand why a student/teacher relationship is wrong. So by approaching her on her own terms, "as an adult," Kaede is able to explain herself in a way Nakanishi can understand and accept.

yeah like, considering the last couple chapters, on top of her own experience with unrequited love, Kaede was obviously rejecting Nakanishi on a level she'd be able to accept rather than outright stating a teacher cannot date their student.

And sure this leaves the "implication" that Kaede could have dated Nakanishi if she hadn't already been dating someone, if you discard the previous four chapters which were largely about how a teacher should not date their students, both morally and legally.

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Also, damn, what did that student do? Why is it the teacher’s responsibility?

That scene looks like it's taking place in a zone with clubs and love hotels. Compensated dating perhaps? Since the girl is still in her uniform I can see why the police is involving the school, and perhaps leaving them the job of contacting the parents.

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joined Aug 29, 2019

You're not wrong, but you're also looking at it from an adult's point of view. Nakanishi clearly considers herself to be mature enough for a relationship with Kaede, she explicitly asked Kaede to date her, and so to her "you're a student and I'm your teacher" would sound like a lame excuse. That's part of the problem here -- she's still too immature to understand why a student/teacher relationship is wrong. So by approaching her on her own terms, "as an adult," Kaede is able to explain herself in a way Nakanishi can understand and accept.

yeah like, considering the last couple chapters, on top of her own experience with unrequited love, Kaede was obviously rejecting Nakanishi on a level she'd be able to accept rather than outright stating a teacher cannot date their student.

And sure this leaves the "implication" that Kaede could have dated Nakanishi if she hadn't already been dating someone, if you discard the previous four chapters which were largely about how a teacher should not date their students, both morally and legally.

Well the obvious implication of "a teacher cannot date their student" would be "well then I'll try to get with her once I graduate", which people understandably also object to.

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Gooood, I want this to develop towards Nakanishi. It kind of feels like it might develop that way, what with Nami being a huge bitch about everything.

joined Dec 5, 2019

I noticed that the fact that the teacher admityto dating a girl made Nakanishi more confident in her sexuality, allowing her to put and end to Oda's tries to date her. One interaction having a ripple effect, and it's cool to address this since so many girls get confused or frustrated and end up forcing themselves streight at a young age

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joined Feb 11, 2022

All is forgiven, i love this manga

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joined Jan 3, 2022

There's a difference between cursing the author and/or the readers for enjoying a story that doesn't comply to common morals, and discussing how a character's actions encourage a behaviour that —supposedly— she herself also condones. The way she approached this does make sense for her character, that's why people are annoyed at her. How she worded her rejection implied that the only thing stopping her from dating her student was the fact that she's already in a relationship. That's not how this situation should have been handled to guarantee that she won't have a problem with this student later on. I liked that she decided to talk to her, but she shouldn't have let her hold on to hope like she did.

What this guy said. Like, no dip, IRL it’s wrong— im more so annoyed by the fact that she’s screwing herself over here lol (I’m expecting major angst and tragedy)

My annoyance is like people screaming “No! Don’t open that door!” At the screen during a horror movie, ykwim?

You're not wrong, but you're also looking at it from an adult's point of view. Nakanishi clearly considers herself to be mature enough for a relationship with Kaede, she explicitly asked Kaede to date her, and so to her "you're a student and I'm your teacher" would sound like a lame excuse. That's part of the problem here -- she's still too immature to understand why a student/teacher relationship is wrong. So by approaching her on her own terms, "as an adult," Kaede is able to explain herself in a way Nakanishi can understand and accept.

yeah like, considering the last couple chapters, on top of her own experience with unrequited love, Kaede was obviously rejecting Nakanishi on a level she'd be able to accept rather than outright stating a teacher cannot date their student.

And sure this leaves the "implication" that Kaede could have dated Nakanishi if she hadn't already been dating someone, if you discard the previous four chapters which were largely about how a teacher should not date their students, both morally and legally.

Well the obvious implication of "a teacher cannot date their student" would be "well then I'll try to get with her once I graduate", which people understandably also object to.

All this goes to show that MC is flawed. She’s got good intentions— but those good intentions make the student think “I have a chance still” which imo, giving false hope, is worse than coldly turning them down.

Giving someone hope only to take it away later just seems more cruel than setting the record straight while their expectations are nonexistent

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joined Dec 7, 2019

I feel like everyone is just glossing over the fact that Nakanishi said that she'd give up on pursuing Kaede. Like yeah she's not giving up her feelings or anything, but now the ball is in Kaedes court and as long as she just choosing to do nothing and/or distance herself a bit it should be fine. Honestly, I really do think Kaedes approach to the situation may have been the kindest approach considering all of the characters perspectives. And considering that Kaede is portrayed as a bumbling idiot half the time, it kinda makes sense how she can gloss over such an important detail. All in all I am really loving the story so far!

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joined Dec 11, 2017

There's a difference between cursing the author and/or the readers for enjoying a story that doesn't comply to common morals, and discussing how a character's actions encourage a behaviour that —supposedly— she herself also condones. The way she approached this does make sense for her character, that's why people are annoyed at her. How she worded her rejection implied that the only thing stopping her from dating her student was the fact that she's already in a relationship. That's not how this situation should have been handled to guarantee that she won't have a problem with this student later on. I liked that she decided to talk to her, but she shouldn't have let her hold on to hope like she did.

What this guy said. Like, no dip, IRL it’s wrong— im more so annoyed by the fact that she’s screwing herself over here lol (I’m expecting major angst and tragedy)

I'm really not. The girl isn't likely to out her, she isn't angry or resentful, and she doesn't know who she's dating. This is a little bit of a risk, outing yourself always is, but there's no signs here that something is going to go terribly wrong.

My annoyance is like people screaming “No! Don’t open that door!” At the screen during a horror movie, ykwim?

Except this doesn't look like a horror movie, to follow your analogy. This is more like somebody shouting "No! Don't open that door!" at a different genre film because they've assumed that all films follow horror movie tropes for some reason.

Well the obvious implication of "a teacher cannot date their student" would be "well then I'll try to get with her once I graduate", which people understandably also object to.

All this goes to show that MC is flawed. She’s got good intentions— but those good intentions make the student think “I have a chance still” which imo, giving false hope, is worse than coldly turning them down.

There's no false hope here, she's in a relationship. That is a perfectly valid reason to turn someone down. Hell, even if she wasn't in a relationship, she has feelings for someone else, and wants to stay faithful to that. That isn't an "in", that's a rejection, hands down.

She turned her down explicitly and gave no ground when it came to a "last memory" or whatever. She shot her down in a way that explicitly says "This is not happening" but still doesn't invalidate her sexuality or patronize her.

Also, there may be (definitely are, in fact) many different reasons she's turning her down, but she chose the one that's most important and that she thought the girl would be most likely to understand and respect. I actually thought this was a very elegant solution.

Giving someone hope only to take it away later just seems more cruel than setting the record straight while their expectations are nonexistent

If somebody says "I'm not going to date you because I'm in a committed relationship and my feelings for them are serious" and you take that as "So you're saying there's a chance!" that is very much and very certainly a you problem.

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joined Aug 11, 2022

So basically long story short, we don't have to worry about anything as long as Nami does not fking mess up her relationship with the MC...Because Nakanishi is going to jump and try to flirt/put on the moves with MC like a shark as soon as she hears that MC is 'single' (FREE REAL ESTATE MEME!).
Nakanishi is not a vengeful blackmailing person like other commentator/people point out, she didn't spill the beans about Male teacher's words to MC, so low chance of any blackmail or forceful situation [Hopefully, Nakanishi seems to be a respectable person...at worst MC might get a few teasing flirts at most from what I can judge and read from her personality...].

Nakanishi respects MC more hearing how MC was faithful to her current GF and was prepared to be harshly rejected due to same Sex/Gender relationship idea + Teacher position role but end up being pleasantly surprised by (MC's way and confession...Risky but nice) which help her confidence/contentment in her current newfound sexual orientation she been experiencing recently. That it's fine to be herself and perhaps she can learn to move on in the future.
The cold harsh method (Revealing nothing) would have protect MC 100% from any possible risk (Cold blood but safer route) and kill off any chance and hope that Nakanishi has, meaning Nakanishi development mentally can either go bad or good [Depending on her mental strength and future experience she will have after she heals].

The main point and problems MC has now to deal with now...The student getting into trouble with the police...which could be a dozen of different situations like 'worst case scenarios' or just got into trouble due to getting into a bad crowd/etc.
Ah good old school...The teachers don't get paid enough to deal with all this drama and sh*t [*Shakes hand angrily at the school's higher up pushing all the work and problems onto them*]

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joined Jun 27, 2022

This manga is overflowing with hormones, 5 chapters and so many confessions lmao. Well I guess that is normal in high school. I'm just glad Kaede seems pretty firm while in a relationship, she's not a doormat in that sense. The way she rightly so snapped at the teacher was refreshing.

She's also pretty bold or stupid admitting she's having a relationship with a woman. She clearly didn't listen to his advice.

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joined Jan 3, 2022

If somebody says "I'm not going to date you because I'm in a committed relationship and my feelings for them are serious" and you take that as "So you're saying there's a chance!" that is very much and very certainly a you problem.

Your whole reply is ridiculous but this comment is what pisses me off the most. You’re trying to imply that IM unable to take no for an answer— when my whole comment is based on what happened IN THE MANGA

The student LITERALLY didn’t take MC saying she’s in a relationship as rejection— and immediately asks for a kiss. WHY are you trying to spin it onto me?? Literally arguing in bad faith rn

You acting like me expecting the worst is such a crazy take when if you ACTUALLY read BETWEEN the LINES—
student-teacher relations are discussed seriously, from a teacher getting arrested to the effects of a student being rejected actually discussed and with how the MC’s GF said “if we get found out I’m breaking up with you”
— the tone of the story is serious— therefore, expecting something bad to happen isn’t insane or as far-fetched as you’re acting like it is

What’s crazy is how you think MC handled this well. She didn’t. Easily could’ve said “I’m a teacher and adult, you’re a student and minor, a relationship is illegal and inappropriate” and if she asks “but I’m a girl?” She easily could’ve said it didn’t matter to her, “love is love” yadda yadda

The student only offered a kiss + offered to be MC’s rebound BECAUSE she shared she was a lesbian— which there was NO REASON for her to do that, so the obvious interpretation is “oh, I have a chance cuz she’s into women too”

It’s so obvious the student hasn’t moved on— hence her being happy. She obviously thinks she has a chance

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joined May 26, 2025

Ch5 100% convinced me that the endgame here is for the student and teacher to end up in a relationship (the fact that the author already made a student x teacher doujin is a hint as well).

The way that Nami is positioned here is hinting at a bigger rot in their relationship - that Kaede's just really a convenient girlfriend for her to have, but she won't fight for the relationship in any meaningful way. The blushing reaction Kaede had to the kiss proposition, and the way Nakahashi diagnosed the problem (i.e. she'd be inclined if Nami wasn't in the picture?) at least indicates that Nakahashi got under her skin too. The hand on the cover is probably also Nakahashi's.

Really unfortunate if i'm right, because i love the art style and how the narrative is told, but narratives portraying student-teacher relationships positively are poison, and I don't think this is angling for a realistic portrait of grooming.

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joined Sep 27, 2017

Ch5 100% convinced me that the endgame here is for the student and teacher to end up in a relationship (the fact that the author already made a student x teacher doujin is a hint as well).

The way that Nami is positioned here is hinting at a bigger rot in their relationship - that Kaede's just really a convenient girlfriend for her to have, but she won't fight for the relationship in any meaningful way. The blushing reaction Kaede had to the kiss proposition, and the way Nakahashi diagnosed the problem (i.e. she'd be inclined if Nami wasn't in the picture?) at least indicates that Nakahashi got under her skin too. The hand on the cover is probably also Nakahashi's.

Really unfortunate if i'm right, because i love the art style and how the narrative is told, but narratives portraying student-teacher relationships positively are poison, and I don't think this is angling for a realistic portrait of grooming.

I think the author has steered away from the student and teacher relationship at this point, but I suppose we really don't know where the story is going and there are varied possibilities. Which I mean regardless I'm curious to see where it goes, as someone who can enjoy varied taboo things in fictional media while acknowledging they're not good in real life, I don't really mind if our MC ends up in a relationship with the girl that confessed by the end, I just don't want our MC to somehow end up in a relationship with a man.

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joined Feb 16, 2018

ooo glasses girl with a dark past, wonder how she's gonna shake things up

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joined Sep 10, 2022

Our author was interviewed: should make the series' focus on Kaede and Nami clear. It's also a nice little look behind the curtain, though truthfully there's not a lot here that she hasn't already said on her own. Pretty short and direct but also means she's getting some traction early.

I think one potentially interesting tidbit (considering some of the comments) is that she views Kaede and Nami's relationship as loving and specifically shouts out episode 4, talking about how she meant for that to be a touching moment between them on the couch. This I think is clear from how she discusses them on Twitter and all her old sketches of them but it's still useful to see here again.

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joined Sep 2, 2022

I missed out on seeing the couch scene as touching cause Nami was introduced as being pretty toxic, but I see it now

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