So what? The author still picked a wound by bringing up the topic and then left it uncovered. And for what? What benefit do we get from magical breeding instead of them adopting from that orphanage? I personally find pregnancy and birth topics that I'd like to stay as far away from as possible...

I have been staying out of this topic. I will say that there are quite a lot of people who feel as you do, especially among the LGBT community, but also quite a lot of people who like the topic of giving birth.

If we think about the different emotional associations someone could have based on different life experiences, even among the LGBT community, to me it's clear that neither preference is innately more valid than the other. Your disappointment makes sense, but so would the opposite: someone enjoying seeing the impossible made possible through magic in fiction.

I would like to kindly suggest everyone give each other space to have their own preferences and associations. Those preferences and associations always have more to do with the person in question than any other person. The attempt to reconcile these differences into a universal principle about what's right often fails to do anything good in terms of improving people's lives concretely.

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The author doesn't know you and can't predict what sort of reaction you'd have.

Once again: So what? The author's intent does not dictate how people feel and nobody is demanding that they go back and change the story. If I were like a sensitivity reader for the author prerelease I'd definitely recommend that they change it. I'd recommend for anyone else writing shit who might be reading this that it's best to avoid having a character espouse very real homophobic talking points and then have them be not rebuked and instead assuaged by a solution to their objection that does not exist in the real world. But in this specific instance I'm just a disgruntled reader bitching about not liking one chapter of a mostly very good story, expressing my earnest feelings about the work, just like most other commenters.

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For what it's worth, I would definitely be uncomfortable if we had a yuri magic pregnancy plotline with the MCs. For now (or up to where I am, I am waiting for Spanish translation to catch up so tell me if if I´m wrong) it's more "technically this exists". We can't know the exact reason it's been mentioned or if they will actually use the technology. I am willing to wait to see where the author goes with this.

The feudal noble dad having some of the same concerns (which can be an understanding coming from prejudice leading to actions motivated by a sincere to help, an honestly dangerous combination) espoused by real life dads do doesn't bother me. It would be weirder to me if they weren't homophobic at all and the feudal nobles were less prejudiced than real life parents in the modern day US. Likely he also feels a need to raise objections other nobles will because the consequences will be harsher for them with any other noble than him.

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The author doesn't know you and can't predict what sort of reaction you'd have.

Once again: So what? The author's intent does not dictate how people feel and nobody is demanding that they go back and change the story. If I were like a sensitivity reader for the author prerelease I'd definitely recommend that they change it. I'd recommend for anyone else writing shit who might be reading this that it's best to avoid having a character espouse very real homophobic talking points and then have them be not rebuked and instead assuaged by a solution to their objection that does not exist in the real world. But in this specific instance I'm just a disgruntled reader bitching about not liking one chapter of a mostly very good story, expressing my earnest feelings about the work, just like most other commenters.

The main thing is, just cuz you’re upset with how a scene is written or don’t like how a topic is handled, doesn’t give you an excuse or any right to attack the author’s character or justify others doing so.

You and many others are choosing to interpret the scene negatively and in turn thinking that the author is a homophobe. That’s not fair.

The world in the comic isn’t real, it has magic in it, so why wouldn’t the author take advantage of the story’s setting and use a convienent solution for a real problem? This could very well be a way of coping. Isn’t it a common thing to dream of things that can’t happen in real life?

The author doesn't know you and can't predict what sort of reaction you'd have.

Once again: So what? The author's intent does not dictate how people feel and nobody is demanding that they go back and change the story. If I were like a sensitivity reader for the author prerelease I'd definitely recommend that they change it. I'd recommend for anyone else writing shit who might be reading this that it's best to avoid having a character espouse very real homophobic talking points and then have them be not rebuked and instead assuaged by a solution to their objection that does not exist in the real world. But in this specific instance I'm just a disgruntled reader bitching about not liking one chapter of a mostly very good story, expressing my earnest feelings about the work, just like most other commenters.

The main thing is, just cuz you’re upset with how a scene is written or don’t like how a topic is handled, doesn’t give you an excuse or any right to attack the author’s character or justify others doing so.

You and many others are choosing to interpret the scene negatively and in turn thinking that the author is a homophobe. That’s not fair.

The world in the comic isn’t real, it has magic in it, so why wouldn’t the author take advantage of the story’s setting and use a convienent solution for a real problem? This could very well be a way of coping. Isn’t it a common thing to dream of things that can’t happen in real life?

You're mixing up one poster with every poster. If I thought the author of this series was a bigot I'd stop reading it, but I haven't accused them of any character flaw and I explicitly said I'm not quitting. I just talked about why I disliked how I've scene was crafted and wished it was done better to avoid triggering people. Stop being so damn defensive just because multiple people don't like something and one of those multiple people happened to be rude or whatever. Somebody agreeing with you but they're rude does not make you automatically wrong.

And just to be clear, one last time: The problem is the combination of Evie's dad saying homophobic shit and the magic babies being a response to earn his approval. If the dad said his shit, his wife browbeat him into dropping it, and then later Elsa brought up "hey did you know we actually can get preggo together lol" while they're in bed that night, it still would not be to my taste certainly but it also wouldn't be getting under people's skin.

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A random very old movie I seen while I was channel surfing when I was a young kid (SPOILER BELOW FOR RANDOM MOVIE THAT I DON'T KNOW NAME OF.):
(Only seen the start then the end, probably got bored with it when switch back to see the ending). Cheerleader got told and finally realize she was gay/Lesbian by her friend and family (Had a poster of a hot girl in swimsuit inside of her locker), she had a boyfriend and everything but found kissing her boyfriend to just be annoying and didn't feel that good (She was trying to argue and explain she wasn't gay till eventually she discover that she was by her parents and friend argument and points)...==What did the parents and friend do to so-called fix this issue/realization.They send her to some messed up converting therapy lesson thingy to make her not gay and be straight. I was like---WTF---yeah real support parents and friend there I thought internally (I was of the opinion of let people do or be what they want as long as no gets hurt at the time)==...This would be a example of at least 7-8 homophobia scale out of 10...Thankfully the movie had a good cute ending when I switch back to the channel to caught the ending.

Oh, is it the film called 'But I'm a Cheerleader'?

Sure sounds like BIAC! Possibly my earliest "yuri" loosely speaking, along with the kiss in "Cruel Intentions".

yeah they definitely should watch the rest of the movie. The whole point is that its really super extra

Oh dang, skybeam time.

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Good job! ^_^

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

My very question.

Elsa OP pls nerf

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Wouldn't you like to know.

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Are you assuming a poor family on hard times would have a tablecloth?

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Are you assuming a poor family on hard times would have a tablecloth?

Are you saying the mom is hallucinating the tablecloth she asks Yvonne to put on the table?

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch104#2

You're mixing up one poster with every poster. If I thought the author of this series was a bigot I'd stop reading it, but I haven't accused them of any character flaw and I explicitly said I'm not quitting. I just talked about why I disliked how I've scene was crafted and wished it was done better to avoid triggering people.

You never accused the author, correct, but you WERE justifying others doing so;

“So what? The author still picked a wound by bringing up the topic and then left it uncovered.”

“But there's people out there that are truly hurt by being confronted by their lack of an ability to participate in pregnancy and childbirth, that suffer real bigotry in the real world because of it, and they're allowed to vent and be unhappy about this.”

“Once again: So what? The author's intent does not dictate how people feel and nobody is demanding that they go back and change the story.”

By saying this stuff, you’re justifying people calling the author a bigot/homophobe by blaming the author for bringing it up in the first place and not handling it in a way the wont make sensitive people upset.

Stop being so damn defensive just because multiple people don't like something and one of those multiple people happened to be rude or whatever.

Rich coming from the person who’s acting equally as defensive towards people who are literally just pointing out how unfair it is to call the author a bigot/homophobe basically over a single chapter in a comic.

Somebody agreeing with you but they're rude does not make you automatically wrong.

I never said that so idk why you’re acting like that’s my point, or anyone’s point, literally no one has made this point lmao.

You can be offended, I feel like myself and others have said that, but you can’t just slander the author by calling them a bigot and a homophobe (or in your case, defend people who are accusing the author of bigotry and homophobia) and get upset when people challenge you (and others) on that notion

And just to be clear, one last time: The problem is the combination of Evie's dad saying homophobic shit and the magic babies being a response to earn his approval. If the dad said his shit, his wife browbeat him into dropping it, and then later Elsa brought up "hey did you know we actually can get preggo together lol" while they're in bed that night, it still would not be to my taste certainly but it also wouldn't be getting under people's skin.

First of all, you’re literally just explaining that you’re upset with how the topic is handled/written (which is what I said, so idk why you’re restating it like I misunderstood, but go off ig)

Second of all, Elsa isn’t bold enough to bring up the fact they can have children together cuz, in their own words, “its way too early for this conversation”, so her bringing it up while they’re in bed wouldn’t be in character.

(Also, these girls both went to school together + I think Evie has game/story knowledge so she’d 100% already know of this if it wasn’t taught in school)

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I’m in love with how the last page is drawn lol! Looks sooo good.

I also think I just like how hair is drawn when it’s flowing in the wind. And Evie’s comment really made me chuckle. “that’s the main character for ya” lol

It’s probably an artistic mistake, but ima headcannon it as Evie forgetting to put the cloth on the table cuz she was too busy yawning to hear what she was saying yes to lmao

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WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Are you assuming a poor family on hard times would have a tablecloth?

Are you saying the mom is hallucinating the tablecloth she asks Yvonne to put on the table?

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch104#2

Ah, I'd missed that. Oh well.

can't believe women get pregante, disgusting. giving birth should be left to men

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Glad to know I wasn't the only one losing my mind over this

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can't believe women get pregante, disgusting. giving birth should be left to men

finally, true progressivism

WHERE IS THE TABLECLOTH?

Glad to know I wasn't the only one losing my mind over this

The tablecloth is pattered to look exactly like a wooden table, you see.

"See how op my girlfriend is?"

"Okay, fine. But I want at least five grandchildren."

I actually like homophobia as a plot element in the yaoi/yuri manga I read. It adds some drama and conflict to the story and makes it feel more realistic

Oh, I also think it can be interesting, however I usually want the homophobic characters to be villains, or at least hurdles to overcome. Not kind parental figure that gets given a nice treatment, and to whom the story even concedes have a point !

If we look at the latest chapter, neither Yvonne nor Elsa have any concern about being rejected for both being women. Now, maybe I'm hanging out with strong people, but most of those I know, in this situation, would feel hurt. Instead, Elsa feels like it's her "duty" to earn his approval, which she doesn't have... simply for being a woman. Or at least, before someone wants to nitpick, that is the reason he stopped on.

Because it was never about finding a solution. Quite the opposite, the problem was only created as a way to introduce the idea of the two being able to have children of their own in this world. Which is also why I doubt the author thought any farther than that about possible implications or reader reactions.

Precisely. There is nothing wrong with magical babies, and to connect to the point above, with having homophobic characters in a story either. However, that the homophobia was introduced only to be solved with "same-sex relationships are okay because magic exists" is what is offensive.

If we think about the different emotional associations someone could have based on different life experiences, even among the LGBT community, to me it's clear that neither preference is innately more valid than the other. Your disappointment makes sense, but so would the opposite: someone enjoying seeing the impossible made possible through magic in fiction.

And generally speaking, it's actually something I love. Yes, I know I can't have biological babies, and while the idea of a magical solution hurts a little it's also a nice, comforting idea to explore.

However, that doesn't help the issue of the father. Or is "changing the mind of homophobes by pointing out lesbians can have babies" an instance of enjoying the impossible made possible in fiction ? Because I think there are other ways to take care of homophobes.

And generally speaking, it's actually something I love. Yes, I know I can't have biological babies, and while the idea of a magical solution hurts a little it's also a nice, comforting idea to explore.

It's also a magical solution in a fantasy setting, it's not like it's farfetch.