I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit more to this. The manhua skips on some details that are more or less important for a scene so it ends up in an awkward position like this. Maybe. Or it's just looking for reasons to not take another step in their relationship.

A reasonable answer, if not the one we wanted.

They are two of the most powerful wizards in the realm. There is exactly zero chance they will end up destitute, they can write their own freaking ticket. So the answer seems a bit thin to me.

Also, I don't see the connection. They've made a commitment to each other, yes? They're going to be together through thick and thin, yes? If they somehow manage to end up in a life of poverty, it will be a life of poverty together, yes? So, why on earth would you deliberately choose to make it a life of poverty WITHOUT sexy times? Nope, really don't get the logic.

New artist?! NOOOOOOOOO!

if they have a new artist, why are the credits at the beginning the same as always?

Doing it on a forest floor isn't as much fun when you get poison oak on your naughty bits.

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I don't get her hangups. Like in context, I'm pretty sure they're both considered marriageable age at this point and Elsa seems... frankly more mature than Evie a lot of the time. ╮⁠(⁠＾⁠▽⁠＾⁠)⁠╭

i'm getting pretty sick of the whole "teasing sex where both characters clearly want it but have to make some really thin excuse about why they can't due to publication restrictions or the author doesnt actually want to draw it" situation. just don't bring it up then, i guarantee the story will be fine without it.

I don't get her hangups. Like in context, I'm pretty sure they're both considered marriageable age at this point and Elsa seems... frankly more mature than Evie a lot of the time. ╮⁠(⁠＾⁠▽⁠＾⁠)⁠╭

Oh, hey, I recognize you from Ao3.

Anyway, tbf, in terms of someone having hangups that prevent a relationship from advancing, not wanting to sleep with someone that you consider underage is...extremely valid.

not wanting to sleep with someone that you consider underage is...extremely valid.

It's pretty wack for this to be the first time it's been brought up, though.

They are two of the most powerful wizards in the realm. There is exactly zero chance they will end up destitute, they can write their own freaking ticket. So the answer seems a bit thin to me.

OTOH Yvonne's family plunged from rich nobility to poverty (and wasn't even worse poverty only because she planned ahead.) So her being twitchy on the subject of support wouldn't be totally nuts.

(I think this is mostly cuz I dont reread the story, but Elsa getting pushy(?) felt out of nowhere to me)

Elsa was pushy from the first chapters, starting with uprooting her life to chase after Yvonne in the middle of nowhere, followed by "why won't you bully me?" and instantly moving in with Yvonne at the least invitation.

I don't get her hangups. Like in context, I'm pretty sure they're both considered marriageable age at this point and Elsa seems... frankly more mature than Evie a lot of the time. ╮⁠(⁠＾⁠▽⁠＾⁠)⁠╭

Oh, hey, I recognize you from Ao3.

Anyway, tbf, in terms of someone having hangups that prevent a relationship from advancing, not wanting to sleep with someone that you consider underage is...extremely valid.

But falling in love with them and dating is okay??? I do not understand how Evie could look at Elsa that way and still be willing to date her. Either the age thing is a barrier or it isn't, this half assed stance just feels like the kind of thing perverts dating a teenager irl and not wanting to be arrested for it would claim.

I don't get her hangups. Like in context, I'm pretty sure they're both considered marriageable age at this point and Elsa seems... frankly more mature than Evie a lot of the time. ╮⁠(⁠＾⁠▽⁠＾⁠)⁠╭

Oh, hey, I recognize you from Ao3.

Always (Sometimes)! (⁠｡⁠･⁠ω⁠･⁠｡⁠)⁠ﾉ⁠♡

Anyway, tbf, in terms of someone having hangups that prevent a relationship from advancing, not wanting to sleep with someone that you consider underage is...extremely valid.

You'd think those same hangups would preclude a relationship at all, is kinda the point. Either she's made peace with being a new person (and she certainly doesn't act like a mature adult IMO, so it's not a stretch) and can do as teens do, or she hasn't and shouldn't be in so deep that she's currently taking this girl (who she's declared her love for) to meet her parents as a partner.

Not wanting to bang in the woods would be a more reasonable concern, honestly.

But falling in love with them and dating is okay??? I do not understand how Evie could look at Elsa that way and still be willing to date her. Either the age thing is a barrier or it isn't, this half assed stance just feels like the kind of thing perverts dating a teenager irl and not wanting to be arrested for it would claim.

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You'd think those same hangups would preclude a relationship at all, is kinda the point. Either she's made peace with being a new person (and she certainly doesn't act like a mature adult IMO, so it's not a stretch) and can do as teens do, or she hasn't and shouldn't be in so deep that she's currently taking this girl (who she's declared her love for) to meet her parents as a partner.

...yeah, that's fair I guess.

I was thinking of them as being, like, a year or two apart, but I skimmed the first chapter and while it mentioned that Elsa was 16, it didn't specify pre-reincarnation Yvonne's, aside that she had a job as a beta tester, which doesn't necessarily imply that she was an adult, but I would assume that she was at least 18, else she probably wouldn't be as worried about it.

NGL I completely forget there was even transmigration involved until we saw Evie's old self. So I was reading with the thought that Evie was subject to this weird system she didn't want to follow. XD

In fairness, it's rarely relevant, and less and less necessary a conceit as the story goes.

I wonder how Elsa would react if Evie just said she has memories of a past life?

Not wanting to bang in the woods would be a more reasonable concern, honestly.

This would genuinely make so much more sense. No walls, locked doors, soft bedding, or bathing, in exchange for dirt and bugs and rocks, but also immediate satisfaction. Not making that trade makes perfect sense to me, I wouldn't make it either.

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I wonder how Elsa would react if Evie just said she has memories of a past life?

"Okay, cool."
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"So...are gonna make out, or what?"

Biggest issue if the reincarnator cares. Then there's WataOshi/IFTV, where Rei doesn't give a damn, despite being likely upwards of 25, with her Earth memories and personality dominant.

WAIT WHATTT??!! How old is Yvonne?? Like mentally, all together, both lives. I would think that she is at least 20? And Elsa is 16..... This is a bit uncomfortable, why are yuri series always a bit problematic, there really is no need for all that. I love IFTV but there's a lot of things that you have to overlook to truly enjoy it. Incest, pedophilia, and really dubious SA. Everyone just kinda overlooks how Rei treats Claire at the beginning, especially the bath scene where she makes Claire really uncomfortable. On top of Manaria assaulting the maid too.

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Biggest issue if the reincarnator cares. Then there's WataOshi/IFTV, where Rei doesn't give a damn, despite being likely upwards of 25, with her Earth memories and personality dominant.

WAIT WHATTT??!! How old is Yvonne?? Like mentally, all together, both lives. I would think that she is at least 20? And Elsa is 16..... This is a bit uncomfortable, why are yuri series always a bit problematic, there really is no need for all that. I love IFTV but there's a lot of things that you have to overlook to truly enjoy it. Incest, pedophilia, and really dubious SA. Everyone just kinda overlooks how Rei treats Claire at the beginning, especially the bath scene where she makes Claire really uncomfortable. On top of Manaria assaulting the maid too.

This is not a "yuri thing." It's a manga thing. It's whatever your comfortable with.

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I hate it when things aren't at least a little "problematic" tbh. Gimme that texture, gimme something real to think about! Of course imo I Love the Villainess takes it a bit too far with the hetero incest couple, but better that than a smooth problem-free story.

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How old is Yvonne?? Like mentally, all together, both lives.

I'm not sure we ever get any clue how old Yvonne was before, other than old enough to have a job.

I would think that she is at least 20?

If you just take her minimum age at isekai, say 16, and then add life in this world, that'd be 32+, or 26+ if you just count from when her memories returned. But I don't know if living childhood twice -- and having the biological brain of a child, or by now, teenager -- should be counted the same as being an adult of that timespan.

If she got isekaied at 16, then she's actually never been biologically older than she is now, she just has somewhat more overall experiences -- but likely not of sex or relationships.

Come to think of it, I think the most pointed criticism of this work might be how it treats the isekai element. Yvonne has pretty good memories of the game (though as a beta tester, never knew that much about it), but hardly ever thinks about anything else. From the novel (no big spoilers) there is a bit: she's got cooking and cleaning skills, vague mentions of jobs to buy stuff, she seems more comfortable taking care of herself than having servants, now we have this "oh no age gap". But I recall no mention of family, friends, college, living by herself, etc, nor her being introspective about having limited memories, say.

Contrast to other works:

IFTV: Rei has excellent memories of her past self, which seems to be the dominant personality after cascading at age 15 or so. She remembers the game world, but also being an overworked OL, her time in school, her friends and past relationship -- in fact this all becomes plot relevant. (Even the OL skills are mildly relevant!)

MagiRevo is at the other end: around age 6 Anis got some memories of Earth, but it feels like the memories were hazy, and that the native Anis is still the dominant personality. She doesn't think much about her past life because it's not clear she remembers all that much from her past life, other than the possibility of flying machines and home appliances.

Yvonne remembers the game well, like Rei, but not much else comes up. To be fair, she has been dual-memory in this world for 10 years, so it's possible the Earth memories have simply been pushed down and atrophied, except for the game system stuff which is unavoidably relevant to her current life.

The new style is still good, but I will certainly miss the old one if it never comes back up again ;;

That cat is gonna possess her ass. I just know it

Further insights from the novel about Yvonne's age:

Not much, really. She's experienced the 8 AM subway rush, but high school or even middle school could have provided that, in Japan. She's never dated or been intimate with anyone before Elsa, so either she died young or had a very single life and isn't more experienced than Elsa.

The translation does say that she regained her past-life memories at 13 in this world; there was also a line suggesting that she doesn't have the earlier memories of this world, but that feels wrong and might have been an error on someone's part. But I dunno, maybe she woke up at 13 and had to fake her way via her knowledge from the game.

Contradictory lines: "she knew nothing of the fifteen years between her birth and the beginning of the main story nor did she regain her memories until late in." but "She had spent more than ten years constantly surrounded by servants,"

So it's possible she got trucked at 16-20, then added only 3 years after that in this world. Yvonne and Elsa are explicitly 16. Or almost 16.